Nintendo Banning Switch 2 Consoles using Mig Switch

Give me clone consoles again, or give me death. They sold millions of Dendys back in 199 fucking 2. Now we're struggling to get affordable FPGAs to do the same.
 
Why would anyone buy a Nintendo Switch 2 console to play pirate games on it.... Even more so have a mixture of genuine and stolen software. Everybody knows Nintendo are going to deal with this via firmware updates.

There are just so many handheld PC options pretty much purpose made for emulation.... This just makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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yep just checked mine, banned. I never launched a game at all just plugged it in to see if it worked. I actually only ever backed up my own games to use as i travel for business constantly and lugging the 40 games i have was a much larger case then just a sleeve. Oh well.
 
Dev1lXYZ said:
Nintendo in general has always been anti consumer. Look at Japan where they used the legal system to quash the video game rental market in the 1980's. They tried to do it in the USA, but were denied. It was a talking point for a while back then. In the current era, the debate is do people really own the hardware and software they buy? The all companies say no, but there still exists a rebel element to it that fights the systems of control. When I buy a console I want to have the choice to modify the hardware as I see fit, if I so choose. Not necessarily to get free games, but to play out of region software without having to add additional hardware taking up space on the shelf. Many games just don't get ported from Japan to the U.S. and there are some real gems released every generation that are considered either too weird or taboo to sell to normies, so they get locked away. I see it as being a video game connoisseur, a true hobbyist. I don't want some suit to limit my access to culture. The Switch was awesome because it didn't have region locks. Make a Japan EShop account and you were set. Library upgrade! The Switch 2 is regionally locked down. Taking away the freedom of choice is never a good thing. The younger generations have mostly laid down to accept this kind of control which I think is pretty sad, actually. Things like the MIG Switch are 100% piracy and free software based, so this isn't really about that. What I'm on about really is that I own the hardware I buy, no compromises. I've basically gone full PC and have really cut back on console games in this era because at least on that side, it's still got freedom, whereas the overpriced toy consoles trap users into gated ecosystems that have zero benefits for the consumer. When a company gates their system to limit my choices for their profit, I'm out. When Nintendo starts bricking consoles, I just have to sit back and laugh about the sheer absurdity of going to such an extreme to basically scare consumers away from their hardware. It's just a bad practice and a terrible look. They make enough money without that bullshit and we all know it, yet fools go to bat for these bad practices like they are winning something. Newsflash slaves, the chains you bought are still chains at the end of the day.

The second thing about it, is how expensive software has become versus the quality it has. $70-80 is far too much for roughly a game that offers around 20 hours of content, if that. The gameplay loops have become so tired and done over again and again. Innovation is sidelined for the same old IP over and over. That's not value, it's mediocrity for diminishing profit. It's this practice that drives all of the piracy. If games were more innovative, piracy wouldn't be much of an issue. How much innovation is in something like Mario Kart World? Not a whole lot, in my opinion. I'd say that it's a huge step back from Mario Kart 8 released almost a decade ago. Another thing is what kept Nintendo from launching with 2-3 games aside from MKW? My take is that they were more concerned about the 'gates' than the fun games, hell they issued a press release on the 'gates'! 😂 That shows me that their priorities are misguided at best this generation, but hey if they want to advertise it and waste time and resources on un-fun less money for them. Let's see if those hardware sales keep going. I doubt it. I think advertising it invites disaster,
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So basically you can steal what you want because you feel it's to expensive to purchase on a personal subjective level. And all these arguments are totally ludicrous as Nintendo does not owe anybody anything. You either buy something or you don't it's that simple. Same with their retro content, It's up to the owner to decide what they make available. The whole argument of I only pirate it because it's not available is laughable. It's illegal whichever way you slice it.

Now to be clear I am not against pirating as people can choose to do what they want. I torrent movies on a regular basis. I simply do not employ a load of nonsense based mental gymnastics to justify my or others actions. Simply stand up and own it.
 
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KemoSabe said:
As long as you use your own dumps you shouldn't be banned from anything
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Yeah, this whole ordeal is a bit unfortunate tbh.

But I think it was bound to happen. People have been flying waaaaay too close to the sun during the Switch generation, with titles like TotK being dumped and played 10+ days before release etc. etc. It has just been big game after big game getting articles written/news about it being leaked early. A lot of attention to the hacking scene and not a good look for Nintendo.

It's just unfortunate that everyone will have to take the consequences.
 
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yeah i only used my own dumps and legit bought it just because carrying 1 cart was easier than the 40+ games i had in a case oh well. Wife gets a switch 2 and i get a new switch 2 eventually...
 
The most shocking thing is that Nintendo only banned him from online services, I figured they would just brick his console entirely.
 
Shmunter said:
Is the hardware modified with this said mig?
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Nope. It looks like a game cart that you can insert an sd card with the games. It doesn't make any changes to the console, just tricks it to believe this is genuine game


Boss Mog said:
The most shocking thing is that Nintendo only banned him from online services, I figured they would just brick his console entirely.
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Not even Nintendo lawyers would win this lawsuit
 
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Tommi84 said:
Nope. It looks like a game cart that you can insert an sd card with the games. It doesn't make any changes to the console, just tricks it to believe this is genuine game



Not even Nintendo lawyers would win this lawsuit
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In this case banning the console is an outrage. People in ER take no responsibility on what they stuck up their ass - but this is held to account?
 
Nintendo is such an evil company, all these people want is to use a 3rd party card to preserve games, we cannot let this evil corporation stop us from preserving games!!!!
 
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rodrigolfp said:
I could not connect to anything. Will try again.
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Go for it, and report back. I haven't tried it myself for ages.

But Nintendos support page still says the same thing:

Complete these steps

  1. From the Wii Menu, select the Wii Shop Channelicon.
  2. Select Start, then Start Shopping.
  3. Select Titles You've Downloaded. The full list of titles which have been purchased on the console will be displayed.
  4. Select the desired title(s), then select Redownload to begin the download.
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Arrogantheart said:
No, you don't own their services and software, and you never did - on any platform. Feel free to do whatever you want with the physical hardware you bought.
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They also reserve themselves the right to brick your console if you "break their terms", and this is 100% achievable so it isn't just an empty threat.

So no, you don't own your physical hardware either.
 
Mozza said:
So basically you can steal what you want because you feel it's to expensive to purchase on a personal subjective level. And all these arguments are totally ludicrous as Nintendo does not owe anybody anything. You either buy something or you don't it's that simple. Same with their retro content, It's up to the owner to decide what they make available. The whole argument of I only pirate it because it's not available is laughable. It's illegal whichever way you slice it.

Now to be clear I am not against pirating as people can choose to do what they want. I torrent movies on a regular basis. I simply do not employ a load of nonsense based mental gymnastics to justify my or others actions. Simply stand up and own it.
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I don't pirate games. My post was about modding systems to get around the region lock instead of having to buy the same system twice. This past generation, most of my imports were SHMUPS most of which didn't get a release in the states.
 
Boss Mog said:
The most shocking thing is that Nintendo only banned him from online services, I figured they would just brick his console entirely.
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Well, assuming MIG cannot ever be used they can still buy physical games which will still be an income for Nintendo but prevent them from participating from online which keeps the ecosystem clean from possible cheaters.
 
Boss Mog said:
The most shocking thing is that Nintendo only banned him from online services, I figured they would just brick his console entirely.
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Possibly they haven't implemented the system brick response yet or that's being held for CFW or if the rom dumps were flagged.

Just conjecture on my part though.
 
www.theverge.com

Nintendo is banning online services on Switch 2 systems that use the Mig cartridge

Your console, but not your account, will be banned.
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Some Switch 2 owners have received the error code 2134-4508, which results in their consoles being permanently banned from accessing any of its online services, as spotted by IGN. It's not a ban hammer from sucking at Mario Kart World, thankfully for me, but one that's targeting consoles that have used a Mig – a microSD card-equipped Switch cartridge that can be filled with copies of games.
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Running games on the Mig requires you to download them from others who have dumped files off of cartridges, or dump the games yourself with something like the Mig Dumper, then load them onto a microSD card. Whether you've used one to play pirated games, or to play copies of games that you own, Nintendo's stance on the matter is broad: It considers both to be violations of its user agreements.
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The makers of the Mig cartridge have taken reasonable efforts to distance itself from what a majority of buyers will likely do with it, which is play pirated games. The cartridge's product page notes that it "serves as a backup and development device solely supporting gaming using personal game backups. [...] To maintain the Mig Flash warranty during online play, it's essential to utilize self-dumped backups with authentic Certificate, UID, and Card Set ID."
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Nintendo isn't bricking the consoles of offenders, at least, not immediately. YouTube creator Scattered Brain posted a video about their banned Switch 2 in which they tried to find a way around the ban. Attempting to visit the eShop wasn't possible, nor was unlinking an account from the console, since both activities require the internet. They were able to unlink Virtual Game Cards from their Switch 2 from Nintendo's account management site and load them onto a Switch OLED, suggesting that the ban is limited to the hardware and not the account. However, a factory reset essentially bricked their Switch 2, as it no longer allowed signing into any Nintendo Account. This is something that Nintendo reserves the right to do per its updated account services user agreement and privacy policy.
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No one, but especially Mig users, should be surprised about this ban. Nintendo has a rich history of aggressively pursuing those who pirate its games, as well as those who build emulators that can run pirated copies of games originally made for its platforms. Considering that the Switch 2 is the fastest-selling console of all time, Nintendo's clearly throwing everything it's got at making sure gamers are playing by its rules.
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KemoSabe said:
Back in the NES and SNES days Nintendo themselves sold blank cartridges that could hold a few games at once.
Mig cart is no different.
As long as you use your own dumps you shouldn't be banned from anything
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Tengen also sold unlicensed games that copied code from the 10NES lockout chip... that didn't go well for them.
 
peronmls said:
Imagine paying for Nintendo products and sucking Nintendie peen.
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Someone in this thread was banned and he's already talking about buying another switch 2 console, crazy :messenger_grinning_sweat:

dancing with the stars television GIF
 
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Awesome!

There aren't "Perfectly Legal Dumps" in this World!!!

You need to circumvent Copy Protection Measurements in order to dump Video Games on a MIG Switch Device which is Illegal!!!

It's not that hard to Understand!!!
 
If your console is banned, can you still download updates and the like? It'd be interesting if your key cards no longer worked on a banned unit.
 
Dacvak said:
If your console is banned, can you still download updates and the like? It'd be interesting if your key cards no longer worked on a banned unit.
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Seems like you can't do shit, if you reset it it's bricked because you can't even create an account without online access
 
Shmunter said:
Seems like you can't do shit, if you reset it it's bricked because you can't even create an account without online access
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Damn, that's brutal. I guess follow rule #1 and don't pirate.

I have a MIG switch that I haven't even opened. I basically bought it as a curiosity to use in case Nintendo's servers ever go down. I wouldn't dare put that shit in any Switch that had an active account. Not even offline.
 
Putting a mig switch in any console connected to Nintendo's servers is a stupid idea. I'm all for making legit backup copies of games, but who lets you just play ripped games on a stock retail console? Definitely not Nintendo.
 
Wow this is some shitty nintendo security if they couldn't even stop switch 2 from running migswitch. This doesn't bode well for Nintendo trying to prevent switch 2 backups.
 
Mozza said:
Why would anyone buy a Nintendo Switch to play pirate games on it.... Even more so have a mixture of genuine and stolen software. Everybody knows Nintendo are going to deal with this via firmware updates.

There are just so many handheld PC options pretty much purpose made for emulation.... This just makes no sense whatsoever.
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Well one reason to use a Switch to run Switch software is because it has 100% native compatibility with it. The Switch is at the end of its run so by getting one to leave off the net forever you aren't missing much.

But it would be a dumb idea to buy a Switch 2 intending to use it the same way right now. Leave it off the net and you can't even get the update for the Switch 1 game that makes it run better. Putting it back on the net could result in currently unknown future liabilities.

But they have to start somewhere.
 
Dev1lXYZ said:
I don't pirate games. My post was about modding systems to get around the region lock instead of having to buy the same system twice. This past generation, most of my imports were SHMUPS most of which didn't get a release in the states.
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No entitlement to any of this of course.
 
Mozza said:
No entitlement to any of this of course.
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Someone wants a feature that was important to them in Switch 1 in the literal sequel called Switch 2, this is called entitlement now. You don't need to run interference every time a negative word is uttered about Nintendo. I love big N, have my Switch 2 and defend them all the time but this is kind of insufferable lol.
 
BlackTron said:
Someone wants a feature that was important to them in Switch 1 in the literal sequel called Switch 2, this is called entitlement now. You don't need to run interference every time a negative word is uttered about Nintendo. I love big N, have my Switch 2 and defend them all the time but this is kind of insufferable lol.
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Not defending anything things are simply the way they are. And I have altered my original post to Switch 2. And I think the comment was around games not available in certain regions. Now just because there was a work around on the original Switch does not mean it's going to be available going forward. As I am pretty sure it was an unitended exploit left open by Nintendo in the first place.

Not so sure why you would find my own personal opinions "insufferable" as you put it..... But fair enough.
 
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Mozza said:
Not defending anything things are simply the way they are. And I have altered my original post to Switch 2. And I think the comment was around games not available in certain regions. Now just because there was a work around on the original Switch does not mean it's going to be available going forward. As I am pretty sure it was an unitended exploit left open by Nintendo in the first place.

Not so sure why you would find my own personal opinions "insufferable" as you put it..... But fair enough.
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Switch 1 was simply region free it wasn't an "unintended exploit left open by Nintendo"

Nintendo Switch Regional Compatibility FAQ | Nintendo Support

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Whether it was by design or not, having a game system play games that have its label on the box doesn't seem that entitled, especially when it's been working? Switch 1 wasn't their first region free system by the way, they didn't region lock a portable until 3DS and when they reversed course back on Switch they were loved for it. So for someone to say "this sucks my Switch won't play imports" I actually feel bad, they must have some gentlemanly gaming tastes. And suddenly you're in a situation where you can't import the game, AND trying a workaround like a mig can get you banned. My first take isn't to give this person shit and call them entitled. The desire after all is just to have a cool game sent to their residence, place it inside their game system, and play it, as God intended. But wait. This whole thing might imply Nintendo did something less than awesome somehow someplace in some universe we've never even been to yet, I think we're just entitled instead yeah that's it...
 
Beechos said:
Wow this is some shitty nintendo security if they couldn't even stop switch 2 from running migswitch. This doesn't bode well for Nintendo trying to prevent switch 2 backups.
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Switch 2 doesn't run mig switch. It shows an error when someone tries to launch a ripped game.
 
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