Switch 2 consoles getting banned from used Switch 1 games?

Even though it's not the ideal option I think some of you are making a big deal out of something that is a minor problem. How many mig switch copies will have been sold and what are the chances that you will end up with a tainted original copy of a game? Possibly absurdly low, and in case it happens to you just contact Nintendo.
How many people borrowed Switch games from their library and dumped them for the Mig switch? Could the licenses have been uploaded and shared since they didn't need to "buy" them?

This is very dangerous especially with the "key card" bullshit. Let's break that down, if your Switch 2 can't use online services, you can't pop in a newly purchased key card and download and play the game you purchased. You now have a brick. Nintendo fanboys can claim it's not a big issue, but this is extremely harmful to gamers. Even if games were fully on carts, so much stuff requires day one patchs or partial downloads. I still have games that are forty years old that I can plug in and play. How Nintendo's handled everything online I'm not convinced that will be the case with any of the games being sold today.
 
Err on the side of the consumer is what you do. If Nintendo can't make an accurate determination then that isn't enough data to act on. If I buy a used game I think it legit and get banned for it then that's fucked up and there is simply no excuse for it. Either way, they shouldn't be tracking the IDs of games I'm playing at all. I'm sure they buried some legalese saying they deep in some agreement that no regular person will be able to decipher, but it is still bullshit that corporations do this shit and even worse when consumers defend the practice.

I mean, that's just called DRM. This is the same as buying a used PC game as the store in the past, but the serial key has already been fucked seven ways to sunday. I suppose it was equally draconian then as it is now.

I'm not inside Nintendo HQ but we don't know what the rules are here. I know that multiple Swich using the same ID to play online multiplayer at the same time is instant ban. But the fact that you can play the game before going into its online mode implies N could do something about it earlier if they could, so they must have some sort of rules of when people start getting banned from too many uses of the ID. If they see the same ID being used 1000 times in 3 countries, it's probably past the threshold for a ban. That might seem silly, but there is no way to know whether this person happened to get the cart that ended up dumped into a torrent, or one guy dumped his cart and N detected it once and got ban happy. I find the latter unlikely though the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
 
Most responsible people playing copies of their own carts never distribute the copy...

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I mean, that's just called DRM. This is the same as buying a used PC game as the store in the past, but the serial key has already been fucked seven ways to sunday. I suppose it was equally draconian then as it is now.

I'm not inside Nintendo HQ but we don't know what the rules are here. I know that multiple Swich using the same ID to play online multiplayer at the same time is instant ban. But the fact that you can play the game before going into its online mode implies N could do something about it earlier if they could, so they must have some sort of rules of when people start getting banned from too many uses of the ID. If they see the same ID being used 1000 times in 3 countries, it's probably past the threshold for a ban. That might seem silly, but there is no way to know whether this person happened to get the cart that ended up dumped into a torrent, or one guy dumped his cart and N detected it once and got ban happy. I find the latter unlikely though the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

DRM permanently associates a game with a single user. Not the case with physical media so that is not an accurate comparison. IMO, if multiple copies of the same game ID are detected online then the worst that should happen is that game ID is banned from online services, not the entire console, unless the same console has been flagged for this multiple times.
 
This is the same as buying a used PC game as the store in the past, but the serial key has already been fucked seven ways to sunday. I suppose it was equally draconian then as it is now.
Serial keys weren't the issue since you could use any key as many times as you wanted.

Problem we had on the PC side quite a few years ago was with the limited activations: you bought a physical game and could only install it in X number of computers.

That didn't last long, not even a few years and it was because consumers complained, a lot. But here you have consumers defending the practice and assuming that those affected are just pirates without any kind of proof of it. It's sad to see, and I don't see why Nintendo would stop doing it when nobody's forcing them to.
 
How many people borrowed Switch games from their library and dumped them for the Mig switch? Could the licenses have been uploaded and shared since they didn't need to "buy" them?

This is very dangerous especially with the "key card" bullshit. Let's break that down, if your Switch 2 can't use online services, you can't pop in a newly purchased key card and download and play the game you purchased. You now have a brick. Nintendo fanboys can claim it's not a big issue, but this is extremely harmful to gamers. Even if games were fully on carts, so much stuff requires day one patchs or partial downloads. I still have games that are forty years old that I can plug in and play. How Nintendo's handled everything online I'm not convinced that will be the case with any of the games being sold today.
If you have the original cartridge, they unbanned you, so if you haven't done anything bad, you won't end up with a brick.
 
If you have the original cartridge, they unbanned you, so if you haven't done anything bad, you won't end up with a brick.
But how long is it bricked for? And how much work is it be get fixed?

Blocking the game from being played is one thing, being a busy person having your small amount of entertainment time ruined and then needing to get help during business hours could be several days of downtime.

And what will happen if fake carts start being released and get released into the normal used market? "Just don't buy used games" doesn't cut it when a physical copy is the only way to play games that are no longer for sale for things like licensing expiring.
 
This is going to happen to maybe <.01% of those who buy used games. Yes, they have to contact nintendo customer support to fix it, but it's easy as described in reddit thread. Nintendo has a system for detecting shady behavior and sometimes it flags the wrong thing. Let's not be dramatic about this and act like it's nintendo being anti-consumer. If this happens to you, you should be questioning the place you bought the cart from more than nintendo.
 
How many people borrowed Switch games from their library and dumped them for the Mig switch? Could the licenses have been uploaded and shared since they didn't need to "buy" them?

This is very dangerous especially with the "key card" bullshit. Let's break that down, if your Switch 2 can't use online services, you can't pop in a newly purchased key card and download and play the game you purchased. You now have a brick. Nintendo fanboys can claim it's not a big issue, but this is extremely harmful to gamers. Even if games were fully on carts, so much stuff requires day one patchs or partial downloads. I still have games that are forty years old that I can plug in and play. How Nintendo's handled everything online I'm not convinced that will be the case with any of the games being sold today.
This is incorrect in that it isn't dangerous to gamers. It's fine. The keycards are account agnostic and dumb in the right way. This obsession with playing off the cart doesn't have a basis in reality. The argument cannot be put in to words so you must speak in riddles and fearmongering. Why are you worried? Can you explain that to me? What do you think will happen?

Okay, so also why do you hate Nintendo so much for doing this when every PC gamer on this forum ditched physical decades ago? Why are we in danger if we go all digital? Keycards aren't even all digital. They are dongle licensing in the best possible way. lol "dangerous," get a grip mate. Propaganda! Do you understand exactly how they work? Do you understand that your physical collection is also currenting slowly rotting and eventually will no longer work. Are we planning for the zombie apoclypse or something because I've got news, if that happens we won't have electricity to play your playstation but we can probably find a way to keep the switch 2 charged. Playstation using so much electricity is a danger to gamers. See how that sounds?
 
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This is incorrect in that it isn't dangerous to gamers. It's fine. The keycards are account agnostic and dumb in the right way. This obsession with playing off the cart doesn't have a basis in reality. The argument cannot be put in to words so you must speak in riddles and fearmongering. Why are you worried? Can you explain that to me? What do you think will happen?

Okay, so also why do you hate Nintendo so much for doing this when every PC gamer on this forum ditched physical decades ago? Why are we in danger if we go all digital? Keycards aren't even all digital. They are dongle licensing in the best possible way. lol "dangerous," get a grip mate. Propaganda! Do you understand exactly how they work?
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This isn't new. You could also get banned on Switch 1 using a copied game. Nintendo has no way to tell whether it is a real game or a Mig Switch with that carts unique ID. Guess what -buy used, you have no idea whether the game has been copied. Most responsible people playing copies of their own carts never distribute the copy so it will never be flagged as one, and let pirates reuse the same dumps circulating the internet without adding more flagged carts.
But thats a Nintendo problem not mine. If they can't tell the difference between duped games and original games.
 
If this problem is wide spread, it will kill used game sales. I don't think it is. Nintendo doesn't want people dumping carts on MiG devices or whatever then selling them on the used market. Seems pretty reasonable. If people are doing that and selling them on ebay/gamestop en masse, we have a problem if nintendo is banning a lot of these accounts without fix. There's been a couple of anecdotal cases and their accounts were restored quickly via nintendo's excellent customer support from what I've heard.
It was on Nintendo to prevent the cartridge dump on the first place. They didn't and now they are basically punishing folks who did nothing wrong but bought used carts.

And this doesn't address at all the other pirates who can dump games from modded switches without any issues.

The whole thing is ridiculous and anti-consumer and we have people defending this shit.
 
This is incorrect in that it isn't dangerous to gamers. It's fine. The keycards are account agnostic and dumb in the right way. This obsession with playing off the cart doesn't have a basis in reality. The argument cannot be put in to words so you must speak in riddles and fearmongering. Why are you worried? Can you explain that to me? What do you think will happen?

Okay, so also why do you hate Nintendo so much for doing this when every PC gamer on this forum ditched physical decades ago? Why are we in danger if we go all digital? Keycards aren't even all digital. They are dongle licensing in the best possible way. lol "dangerous," get a grip mate. Propaganda! Do you understand exactly how they work? Do you understand that your physical collection is also currenting slowly rotting and eventually will no longer work. Are we planning for the zombie apoclypse or something because I've got news, if that happens we won't have electricity to play your playstation but we can probably find a way to keep the switch 2 charged. Playstation using so much electricity is a danger to gamers. See how that sounds?

What does PC gamers going digital have to do with anything? Why are you turning this into a physical vs digital debate? How do you know how keycards are going to work on a device that has no access to Nintendo online?

It was on Nintendo to prevent the cartridge dump on the first place. They didn't and now they are basically punishing folks who did nothing wrong but bought used carts.

And this doesn't address at all the other pirates who can dump games from modded switches without any issues.

The whole thing is ridiculous and anti-consumer and we have people defending this shit.

Yeah....that's the other side of this. Didn't Nintendo learn enough from Switch 1 where you just needed a paper clip to jailbreak the damn thing? Are folks already dumping games? If so, we really need to be calling out Nintendo for sheer incompetency.
 
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What does PC gamers going digital have to do with anything? Why are you turning this into a physical vs digital debate? How do you know how keycards are going to work on a device that has no access to Nintendo online?
I don't think they will since user was blocked from downloading patches. So it's unlikely key card will be allowed to have a game downloaded.

The whole thing is ridiculous and what's even more ridiculous is anti-consumer defense force.

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This is incorrect in that it isn't dangerous to gamers. It's fine. The keycards are account agnostic and dumb in the right way. This obsession with playing off the cart doesn't have a basis in reality. The argument cannot be put in to words so you must speak in riddles and fearmongering. Why are you worried? Can you explain that to me? What do you think will happen?

Okay, so also why do you hate Nintendo so much for doing this when every PC gamer on this forum ditched physical decades ago? Why are we in danger if we go all digital? Keycards aren't even all digital. They are dongle licensing in the best possible way. lol "dangerous," get a grip mate. Propaganda! Do you understand exactly how they work? Do you understand that your physical collection is also currenting slowly rotting and eventually will no longer work. Are we planning for the zombie apoclypse or something because I've got news, if that happens we won't have electricity to play your playstation but we can probably find a way to keep the switch 2 charged. Playstation using so much electricity is a danger to gamers. See how that sounds?
The difference with PC and Nintendo digital games is having a real account. Nintendo has killed off their digital stores and you can now only run things you purchased on decades old hardware. Think of all those digital consoles purchases that are trapped on Wiis, Wii Us, and 3DSes. Hopefully all your old hardware works or you need to rent it from Nintendo with Switch Online.

There have been shutdowns that made some PC purchases unplayable. But at least with Steam, EA, Ubisoft, etc purchases from up to 20 years ago can still be downloaded. Do they all just magically play? No, though surprisingly more on Steam OS that modern Windows. But the point is you can still get the files you payed for and people are doing the legwork and fixing the games so you can still play them into the future. We're also not talking about 40, 30, or 20 twenty year old games. There are some games that are delisted after being sold for only a year or two. Want to play it? Better hope it had a physical release.

Valve isn't perfect and without blame, they killed off XP, and later Vista, 7, and 8 support with Steam. That left people who still game on retro PCs screwed because while you can download the games on a modern PCs, the games have DRM so you need to crack things you own to use it how you previously were without issue.

I don't think they will since user was blocked from downloading patches. So it's unlikely key card will be allowed to have a game downloaded.

The whole thing is ridiculous and what's even more ridiculous is anti-consumer defense force.

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The biggest BS thing is those "key cards" are region blocked. Imported a Japanese game? Sure you can "play" it but not on your US account.

And don't forget the Nintendo servers still need to be running to let you download the game. That's why being able to play off the cart is such a big deal. For all the Nintendo fans praising the Switch for all of its physical releases. People sure have been quick to take out there wallets, drop their pants, and bend over to get railed by Nintendo and argue until their blue in the face telling people that it's fine, they enjoy it when others don't want diminishing consumer rights.
 
Who the fuck cares where the game is located? Like if it's on the HD or the game cart? It's the same with Blu ray discs, you can't play them from the disc any more.
 
It was on Nintendo to prevent the cartridge dump on the first place. They didn't and now they are basically punishing folks who did nothing wrong but bought used carts.
Obviously, they didn't want their games pirated and they are taking measures to prevent piracy. The only punishment they are facing is having to contact nintendo customer service to fix the problem. Oh, the horror.
 
Obviously, they didn't want their games pirated and they are taking measures to prevent piracy. The only punishment they are facing is having to contact nintendo customer service to fix the problem. Oh, the horror.

Making their customers contact customer support to prove they didn't do anything illegal isn't "taking measures to prevent piracy". Best case scenario here is that this situation is incredibly rare. Hopefully that is the case because if it is more widespread then there is going to be backlash on Nintendo and there should be.
 
Making their customers contact customer support to prove they didn't do anything illegal isn't "taking measures to prevent piracy". Best case scenario here is that this situation is incredibly rare. Hopefully that is the case because if it is more widespread then there is going to be backlash on Nintendo and there should be.
We have 2 reports and each of these had a quick fix and explanation that made sense (the carts were used for illegal activity). Barely anyone is going to have to contact customer support, only those that bought carts tied to illegal activity (which is completely understandable and better not be a wide spread issue for many other reasons as well). Obviously, the guy who sold the dumped carts got his S2 banned as well so it is a measure taken to prevent piracy. What is such a big deal about "Making their customers contact customer support" anyway? If you are seeking out used games, you are well informed enough to deal with this and know that used games don't have the same guarantees as a new one.
 
I hope they are not that tone deaf, what a horrible precedent to the industry, F Nintendo for leading the charge, this is anti consumer, nor Sony or Microsoft never did anything close to that shit. When they inevitably jailbreak the SW2, I will laugh like I was avenged. lmao
They attack pc emulators so they don't look worse in the eyes of their consumers.
 
We have 2 reports and each of these had a quick fix and explanation that made sense (the carts were used for illegal activity). Barely anyone is going to have to contact customer support, only those that bought carts tied to illegal activity (which is completely understandable and better not be a wide spread issue for many other reasons as well). Obviously, the guy who sold the dumped carts got his S2 banned as well so it is a measure taken to prevent piracy. What is such a big deal about "Making their customers contact customer support" anyway? If you are seeking out used games, you are well informed enough to deal with this and know that used games don't have the same guarantees as a new one.

What? Since when has anyone had to contact a console maker's customer support due to any issues in buying used games?

Again, if this is rare, as it should be, then it shouldn't be a problem.
 
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What? Since when has anyone had to contact a console maker's customer support due to any issues in buying used games?
These aren't any used games. They are games that were duped and Nintendo detects multiples/illegal copies online. Knowing this, anyone in this situation knows the seller wasn't legit, but their purchase still is. Nintendo just wants to verify the legal cart.
 
Some people got caught in other people's crimes. 🤷‍♂️ If you buy stolen goods, even unknowingly, there's always a chance of getting in trouble.

It is time to face the facts, used games are dead.
 
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These aren't any used games. They are games that were duped and Nintendo detects multiples/illegal copies online. Knowing this, anyone in this situation knows the seller wasn't legit, but their purchase still is. Nintendo just wants to verify the legal cart.

Huh? I was replying to your point about used games my man. But either way, what you are saying is not necessarily true. If these games can be duped then someone can dupe a game and then trade the original in at a used store or sell it on ebay while keeping the dupe. Someone can also rent the game from a service like Gamefly, dupe it, return the original and keep the dupe. Those who subsequently get the legit copy of a game would have no knowledge of the history, but could be flagged by Nintendo for playing a game they have detected as a copy. My hope is that entire scenario simply won't happen and Nintendo has done what they need to do to prevent it. Nintendo is responsible for protecting their legit customers from this kind of nonsense.
 
Huh? I was replying to your point about used games my man. But either way, what you are saying is not necessarily true. If these games can be duped then someone can dupe a game and then trade the original in at a used store or sell it on ebay while keeping the dupe. Someone can also rent the game from a service like Gamefly, dupe it, return the original and keep the dupe. Those who subsequently get the legit copy of a game would have no knowledge of the history, but could be flagged by Nintendo for playing a game they have detected as a copy. My hope is that entire scenario simply won't happen and Nintendo has done what they need to do to prevent it. Nintendo is responsible for protecting their legit customers from this kind of nonsense.
Nintendo has no way to verify a second hand seller is legit and they shouldn't have to. That burden should be on the customer to do research shopping from second hand places, just like with any industry. Either way, you all are acting like this bricks your console when a quick fix is available. You just hate contacting support.
 
Nintendo has no way to verify a second hand seller is legit and they shouldn't have to. That burden should be on the customer to do research shopping from second hand places, just like with any industry.

Nah....Nintendo just needs to secure their media and make sure this isn't an issue.

Either way, you all are acting like this bricks your console when a quick fix is available. You just hate contacting support.

Having to contact customer support to unbrick my console because I legitimately bought or rented a used game is bullshit. If you think that's fine then we just won't agree on this at all. That's fine.
 
You're acting like having to deal with the inconvenience isn't a big deal...

Brb account was banned for some BS reason
Brb have to be on phone for hours to fight it
Brb "oh yeah, that's no big deal"
No as posted here.


Would be a annoying time waste though.
Maybe annoying isn't a strong enough word?
 
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