Nintendo Downloads - October 2012

I don't own any iDevices or the Vita so I can't speak for those. However, when I compare getting 3D Land digital or retail, retail is superior because:

- I can resell it if I choose to
- I can let me son play it on his 3DS too
- It comes with it's own storage

I am comparing 3DS cards to digital, why are you trying to bring in other devices?
Storage is an inherent sunk cost for pretty much every platform, even still 3DS is the best among current handhelds in that regard though. Besides, 3D Land easily fits on the standard 2GB/4GB included with 3DS/XL with plenty of room to spare. No issue.
 
Storage is an inherent sunk cost for pretty much every platform, even still 3DS is the best among current handhelds in that regard though. Besides, 3D Land easily fits on the standard 2GB/4GB included with 3DS/XL with plenty of room to spare. No issue.

3D Land is an example, when you fill up the SD card Nintendo provided you will be buying your own storage but you will still be paying full retail price for the game.
 
Different type of storage.

Why not throw them out? With digital there are no boxes and that seems like a non-issue for you anyway so why are you holding on to the boxes for DS games?
Even at an extreme there's buying something to throw the carts into.

For the record I'm not really fond of the idea of going fully digital here, only a few games where it makes sense (Art Academy, Mario Kart 7) or if we start seeing good sales on digital versions, either from GameStop/Amazon or from Nintendo themselves.
 
3D Land doesn't fill up the card though, not even half the card. So your example has no issue.
He might be thinking if you got more games... except I already highlighted several other points there:

1. You're buying a bunch of games digitally, exclusive to the eShop or not. The new card is just as much for those as it is for the retail games.

2. You can still back up when you grow tired of a game. Or delete if you're one of the crazies who doesn't value keeping save data at all.

3. Digital purchases aren't taxed where you live, so there's the real possibility that you're saving money anyway, nevermind if sales do start to show up.
 
3D Land doesn't fill up the card though, not even half the card. So your example has no issue.

3D Land is an example, it isn't the point. The point is this:

When you fill up the SD card Nintendo provided you will be buying your own storage but you will still be paying full retail price for the game.


Now ask yourself, how much is Nintendo saving by not having make a card, box and insert? How much are they saving not having to distribute it to retailers or give retailers a cut? They can't even offer you a $5 discount!?

Add to that, they are selling copies that will never end up in used game stores, that just means fewer used copies out in the wild. I am sure that has some monetary value?

All that aside, I would still be tolerant if they allowed game sharing and had an account system like every other DD service.
 
Different type of storage.

Why not throw them out? With digital there are no boxes and that seems like a non-issue for you anyway so why are you holding on to the boxes for DS games?
I prefer retail.

But I also respect digital only.
I wish they would stop making physical games so I could go digital.

But I just have a foolish attraction those hard to store game boxes.
 
3D Land is an example, when you fill up the SD card Nintendo provided you will be buying your own storage but you will still be paying full retail price for the game.

Nintendo didn't pay for the bookshelf I have to use to store my physical games either, those bastards! And although your point stands and I was just kidding, there are some people out there who want their gaming collection digital. At this point, I can only picture buying certain games digitally, but to each their own.

Vane_MagicCity said:
Now ask yourself, how much is Nintendo saving by not having make a card, box and insert? How much are they saving not having to distribute it to retailers or give retailers a cut? They can't even offer you a $5 discount!?

Oh no doubt, it's more profitable for Nintendo to sell digital at full price. But if they were even $5 cheaper, that might impact retail. If they piss off a retailer, suddenly they have less shelf space, etc. It's in their interest to keep good relations, which is probably why they were trying to do those download cards, which apparently retailers here in the US didn't like.
 
We're only hammering on how weak the "buy your own card" angle really is, we're not even disputing the others as that entirely depends on what you personally value.
 
the 2 gig will effect what gets put on the eshop until probably next E3 when there sure most people have upgraded. They will check how many people are on 2-4 gig memory ect
 
3D Land is an example, it isn't the point. The point is this:

When you fill up the SD card Nintendo provided you will be buying your own storage but you will still be paying full retail price for the game.


Now ask yourself, how much is Nintendo saving by not having make a card, box and insert? How much are they saving not having to distribute it to retailers or give retailers a cut? They can't even offer you a $5 discount!?

Add to that, they are selling copies that will never end up in used game stores, that just means fewer used copies out in the wild. I am sure that has some monetary value?

All that aside, I would still be tolerant if they allowed game sharing and had an account system like every other DD service.
3D Land was your example though, your example doesn't work.

Account system is coming.

3DS + 32GB = $195
3DSXL + 32GB = $225
Vita + 32GB = $350
iPod touch 32GB = $300
 
the 2 gig will effect what gets put on the eshop until probably next E3 when there sure most people have upgraded. They will check how many people are on 2-4 gig memory ect
I think with the thrust of full retail games you'll see enough people either upgrading or juggling anyway that they'll go ahead and release bigger DD-only games. Hell, Xseed's supposed to do that with Unchained Blades someday.

Also don't forget: the lack of a digital discount is likely primarily the fault of retailers. I half expect Sony only got away with it due to how expensive their memory cards were, and they're slower on proper price drops applying to digital while some third parties simply don't bother with a DD discount.
 
I buy alot from Steam, PSN and iTunes. Of course, sharing isn't a problem for those services.
Right, but like I already said, sharing is not an issue for people who are the sole gamers in their family or don't live with other gamers. You could preach to people who buy a $200 mp3 player on top of paying for all their digital albums to go buy physical CDs + a cheap CD player and never convince them.

Bottom line is that the convenience:cost ratio is not worth it for you personally here, but is to others. I'm pretty sure everyone understands the advantages of physical already, you don't need to spend the rest of your evening here trying to convince everyone to drop digital.
 
3D Land was your example though, your example doesn't work.

Account system is coming.

3DS + 32GB = $195
3DSXL + 32GB = $225
Vita + 32GB = $350
iPod touch 32GB = $300

You just don't get the point that 3D Land was an example, so just drop it. You obviously get the point that you need to provide your own storage because you are quoting the price of a 32 GB SD card.

Account system has been coming for a long time, yet we still don't know when or how it will work.

3DS = $170
3DSXL = $200

Were you trying to prove my point with the $25 difference a 32GB SD card costs?

I am not comparing other devices here. I am comparing 3DS RETAIL GAMES and 3DS DD RETAIL GAMES.
 
I bought Cave Story on the eShop today for the 3DS, because I realized I actually don't own a copy of that game. That game is perfect for a handheld.

How is The Denpa Men? That game looked interesting, but I haven't really heard too much about it.
 
You just don't get the point that 3D Land was an example, so just drop it. You obviously get the point that you need to provide your own storage because you are quoting the price of a 32 GB SD card.

Account system has been coming for a long time, yet we still don't know when or how it will work.

3DS = $170
3DSXL = $200

Were you trying to prove my point with the $25 difference a 32GB SD card costs?

I am not comparing other devices here. I am comparing 3DS RETAIL GAMES and 3DS DD RETAIL GAMES.
It's being compared to other platforms because ALL systems require a sunk storage cost. Even those bundled with large amounts of memory (like 360, PS3, iDevices, etc) you pay a premium for that memory.

By using a ubiquitous and open standard, the cost for 3DS is negligible. You're literally making an issue out of nothing, business as usual I guess.
 
If you lose your physical copy of the game you are also shit out of luck. I'm way more likely to lose a game then I am to lose a 3DS.

Big first party Nintendo games also almost never go on sale, your best bet is something like the Newegg sale on any preorder. However there have been sales before on 3DS cards (Toys R US did B1G1 1/2 off in summer 2011!) so sometimes you can make out like a bandit.
 
What if you don't care about those things?
The bigger point is how the situation is different for everyone. Some may already have the 32 GB card just because, they got it for a camera only to never use it, they only want a few retail games and thus have no pressing need to jump above 2 or especially 4 GB, or they really are getting it just so they can get all their retail games digitally instead. Then for some it's a huge deal to resell the games or share them, while some either don't care or actively want to kill the possibility for whatever reason. Then of course there's some that just like to have the games physically, not that Nintendo's helping much there by joining in on killing manuals, but at least their foldouts are much nicer than the black and white phoned in excuses (sometimes literally) others provide or even the simple lack of anything at all as SCEA seemingly mandates.

At any rate, I can see a lack of reselling/sharing being a far bigger problem than buying the memory card, because you're probably going to want that for DD exclusives if you want digital versions of retail games anyway.
 
There is a huge upside in buying it from anywhere in the world with an internet connection. The account system will help with people who are worried about lost or theft of their systems, leaving only the reselling/reduced price point.

Nintendo has slowly started to embrace putting certain titles on sale, but it is honest to say that nine times out of ten retail offers the better value.

Of course we've also seen incredible value in selling 3DS's loaded with Ambassador accounts.
 
I really don't get why Vane_MagicCity popped in here to mock those who are going the download route. People have different preferences, and the majority (like him and I) still probably prefer retail. But who cares what people do? D/L is an option for those who want it, and it wasn't before.
 
How exactly am I doing that?
Because you've made your points and no one in here is stupid enough to not realize that physical copies have their advantages.

Yet you are in a thread titled "Nintendo Downloads", presumably filled with people who have already bought or are interested in digital purchases, dragging on a pointless argument about why physical is superior for yourself, and thus should be superior for them.
 
Because you've made your points and no one in here is stupid enough to not realize that physical copies have their advantages.

Yet you are in a thread titled "Nintendo Downloads", presumably filled with people who have already bought or are interested in digital purchases, dragging on a pointless argument about why physical is superior for yourself, and thus should be superior for them.

So in other words, I have a different opinion (which happens in every thread on every forum on the internet).
 
I bought Cave Story on the eShop today for the 3DS, because I realized I actually don't own a copy of that game. That game is perfect for a handheld.

How is The Denpa Men? That game looked interesting, but I haven't really heard too much about it.
Denpa Men is lots of fun if your in the mood for an old school very Dragon Questy RPG. There is a free demo and you can transfer your save from there to the full game. So I say check out the Demo and if you enjoy that and want more then get the full game.
 
That doesn't make them a non-issue for the rest of the world.

Could you be more of a hypocrite?

You're in here arguing that downloadable versions of retail games at the same price are inherently worse than physical versions. Except some people want the benefits of digital versions more than the benefits of physical ones.
 
Right, so defending my point is wrong because NOT EVERYONE agrees? What the fuck is up with you people? Do you not argue shit on this site all the fuckin time?
This DID start with you laughing off people who wanted to buy digitally then trade in their physical copies. I think it's kinda of crazy to do so at full price, but to each their own.
 
Will people stop arguing with vane? He is basically trolling at this point.

Anywayz: This is another good week imo. Not only do we get four old retail titles digitally, but even more games on top of that and a demo. (this is NOA, so I expected one old retail game a week and zero or one other title lol.)

Gradius is a nice surprise. I can now actually beat it with save states. Too bad I gots no money and probably won't have any until after WiiU launches. But still, another game on my to buy list. Its really odd the NES games apparently don't have variable pricing like GB and GBC games...

I also noticed tha those two GG games that were supposed to release in July are still on the eShop and still say coming soon. :lol
 
Anywayz: This is another good week imo. Not only do we get four old retail titles digitally, but even more games on top of that and a demo. (this is NOA, so I expected one old retail game a week and zero or one other title lol.)
I do kind of expect it'll be dead for about a month outside of already announced stuff until Epic Mickey hits though.
 
Anywayz: This is another good week imo. Not only do we get four old retail titles digitally, but even more games on top of that and a demo. (this is NOA, so I expected one old retail game a week and zero or one other title lol.)

And next week there's Liberation Maiden, Nightsky, Ghosts'n'Goblins and Castlevania Adventure, as well as the Mutant Mudds update.
 
Denpa Men is lots of fun if your in the mood for an old school very Dragon Questy RPG. There is a free demo and you can transfer your save from there to the full game. So I say check out the Demo and if you enjoy that and want more then get the full game.

I'm going to second this comment. It's an absolutely wonderful game -- if you like fairly old-school RPGs. That said, it isn't completely old school, so don't let that part put you off, if you're on the fence. I do think you have to enjoy RPGs to enjoy The 'Denpa' Men, though. Also, don't expect it to be a cakewalk because of the cute/colorful visuals. It can be HARD.
 
Could you be more of a hypocrite?

You're in here arguing that downloadable versions of retail games at the same price are inherently worse than physical versions. Except some people want the benefits of digital versions more than the benefits of physical ones.

That's not the definition of a hypocrite.

Denpa Men is lots of fun if your in the mood for an old school very Dragon Questy RPG. There is a free demo and you can transfer your save from there to the full game. So I say check out the Demo and if you enjoy that and want more then get the full game.

Well, it's more of a dungeon crawler than a Dragon Quest type RPG, unless I missed all the other towns and exploring the world map.
 
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