Nintendo would never use flash media for their cartridges.
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Nintendo files patent application for stationary game console without optical disk
Nintendo would never use flash media for their cartridges.
I don't see it happening for physical, too costly/complicated with not enough benefit for Nintendo in return. With digital I can see a NNID discount program if they port over Wii U games you own, but nothing for free. Only thing I can see getting a free transition is maybe Virtual Console, but even that might not.
Fourth Storm
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Rösti;176197311 said:
Yeah, I'm thinking Reggie. I wonder when we'll get word on a new CEO. They really weren't prepared for Iwata's passing it seems.
ArchedThunder
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I'm sure they'll get a new CEO before the year's end and we'll likely hear about him as he takes over, or at least right before he does. He'll probably want to be the one to introduce the new hardware too I imagine.
EA was missing a CEO from march to september in 2013. its really not been that long and in this transitional period theres not a lot of rush.
ShockingAlberto
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Rösti;176197311 said:
They'll probably have a new CEO before the new FY at the latest. If a system does release next year, it will either be announced just before the end of the FY (so they can bolster their projected numbers for the next year) or right after, like say June, so they can start the year off with a bang.
Cheeseman Battitude
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Digital-only or not digital-only? That is the question!
I don't care what it is. It's Nintendo, it will be fun, and I will buy it.
I don't care what it is. It's Nintendo, it will be fun, and I will buy it.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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Jumping into this thread a bit late, but man am I tired of this industry making huge deals about random patents. Electronics companies file huge amounts of patents all the time just to cover their bases and it rarely ever amounts to anything actually newsworthy.
ArchedThunder
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NX is listed nowhere in the patent.
WiiRevolution1
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This feels like such a silly argument. The spec difference won't be enough to matter. Nintendo doesn't do games that are so highly advanced that it wouldn't work on both. The next Zelda? Will work on both. If they make Xenobalde? It will work on both. If another Bayonetta is made? Work on both.
The 3DS already has plenty of games that are graphically pushing (Smash, Kid Icarus) and pushing hardware (Smash, Xenoblade) if Nintendo is going to have both systems play the same game there is no reason at all to think that every game will not be available on both. Nintendo will have every game available on both. Its silly to suggest otherwise. It makes it so people can get one or both depending on what they prefer, makes more games available no matter what system you buy year round, and makes more more users buy games. I don't think Nintendo cares if this means they only sell 10M home consoles again as long as they keep selling lots of games. If the NX games don't work on both then they wouldn't go as far as sharing a cart slot, since they already have cross buy in place for 3DS/WiiU. If they go as far as sharing a a cart slot then it makes more sense that all games will be on both.
And I'm just scratching my head when anyone suggests that when you put a cart in the home system that it'll download "HD textures/1080P" first off, the handheld will likely be close enough for it not to matter much. And secondly...why wouldn't the graphics upgrade just not be on the cart? The game cart would be able to detect what system its on. >_<
i guess we shall see in the end, but I welcome the unification of libraries.
This guy pull it from his ass? http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=176187854
I can't search for text on my phone ={
Tbh this one is quite specific and does seem to carry parts that line up with Iwatas statement, but yeah we still live in the age where you should try to patent everything you ever think of.
literally the line above he says the bolded parts are his/her own notes.
"bolded is my notes". that's what I get for skimming.
It's early I'm sorry ={ lemmie get my coffee now.
I'm glad the point went way over your head because it saves me time.
Sectorseven
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How much do Blu-ray discs cost?
Except AC and COD have had been on multiple Nintendo platforms already..
Calamari41
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The cost of carts vs cost of Blu-ray discs is a red herring.
Nintendo certainly made more money on Smash 3DS than they did on Smash Wii U, even though the Wii U discs are less expensive than the 3DS carts.
If Nintendo is able to sell the same games to both the handheld and home console audiences, the increase in sales will more than make up for the cost of carts.
And either way, the handheld will have to use carts no matter what. So don't think of it as trading discs for carts. Think of it as eliminating discs period.
Nintendo certainly made more money on Smash 3DS than they did on Smash Wii U, even though the Wii U discs are less expensive than the 3DS carts.
If Nintendo is able to sell the same games to both the handheld and home console audiences, the increase in sales will more than make up for the cost of carts.
And either way, the handheld will have to use carts no matter what. So don't think of it as trading discs for carts. Think of it as eliminating discs period.
jeff_rigby
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Yup but if you have been keeping up with technology developments they support some of the patent. New Flash technology is coming that makes a 50GB flash card economical. Purchased once and taken to a store for new games to be installed would result in the cheapest transfer of games possible. The market niche is the non-connected home without high speed internet. There is also this:
The game(s) must be transferred quickly or Stores will not support this. A server in the store downloads games Non-real-time. Copies must be authorized so cartridges have a DRM or the DRM key is registered to a console.http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33675734 said:
So XB1 and PS4 are for the connected home with 4K TVs and high speed internet, Nintendo NX for 1080P TVs and DSL.
dcx4610
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I'm not a fan of digital only when it comes to consoles. When the console dies, the digital library and store typically die with it. At least on PC with Steam, Origin, Uplay, etc, you could go through 10 PCs and you still have your games.
That said, do you really blame Nintendo at this point? If you go into any retail store, their physical presence is MAYBE a one tiny shelf with very few games available. Also, it's not like they are putting out games that are 50GB and needing a Blu-ray disc. At this point, it's probably just best to cut their losses and go all digital. It saves them money and makes them money since they no longer have to worry about physical production and part of their sales going to retailers.
I hope the game cards slot is not an actual game slot as that means we are going to get a weak system. Game cards such as those for the 3DS are limited in capacity and still expensive to manufacture compared to discs. I don't want to go back to the Gamecube days of limited game sizes because of the media format. At least with all digital, we'll have no size issues.
I'm not excited based on what we know but I'll remain open reminded.
That said, do you really blame Nintendo at this point? If you go into any retail store, their physical presence is MAYBE a one tiny shelf with very few games available. Also, it's not like they are putting out games that are 50GB and needing a Blu-ray disc. At this point, it's probably just best to cut their losses and go all digital. It saves them money and makes them money since they no longer have to worry about physical production and part of their sales going to retailers.
I hope the game cards slot is not an actual game slot as that means we are going to get a weak system. Game cards such as those for the 3DS are limited in capacity and still expensive to manufacture compared to discs. I don't want to go back to the Gamecube days of limited game sizes because of the media format. At least with all digital, we'll have no size issues.
I'm not excited based on what we know but I'll remain open reminded.
Fourth Storm
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ArchedThunder
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Since some of the text in the patent seems to pretty much confirm that the handheld and console will play (at least many of) the same games I really wonder how the release for the hardware will be handled. Will they release the console and handheld at the same time? Will they maybe release one in 2016 and the other a few months later in early 2017? Will they launch both in 2016, but maybe a few weeks or a month apart?
I also wonder if they'll do a bundle where you can get both pieces of hardware together for a slightly lower price, it'd also be nice since I imagine you'll be able to use the handheld as a "screen controller" as well.
I also wonder if they'll do a bundle where you can get both pieces of hardware together for a slightly lower price, it'd also be nice since I imagine you'll be able to use the handheld as a "screen controller" as well.
I don't think they'll come out at the same time, but it'll be close. Think GC/GBA. Those were both released in 2001.
Yep. You're right. Wow we almost know what the console is then! Exciting
What could this mean for the handheld specs?
This is really interesting.. Maybe the console installs its own files (which could have a physical option in stores ala other cartridges or whatever) to have a souped up version to play
ArchedThunder
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Well that was one of the things I said "Will they maybe release one in 2016 and the other a few months later in early 2017?"
If they do that which will release first? Will they release the handheld first because it's going to be the weaker piece of hardware and the 3DS is older than the Wii U, or will they release they console first because the Wii U is in a much worse position than the 3DS?
I'm really excited to have these questions answered.
He's not right, nothing in the patent implies that game carts will be used at all, "Game Program" is only listed on the HDD in the diagram and the text only refers to games being on the HDD and the memory card section mentions absolutely nothing about games.
Look where? The "memory card" bit doesn't seem to suggest cartridges at all, I'd say.
Damn the idea was too exciting fff
While that quote was from early on before we dived deeper into the patent, what else could the memory card be for (serious question)? There's already an internal hard drive in the patent, as well as an external hard drive.
It looks to me like the expandable memory card, be it SD or proprietary or whatever houses the OS. I don't really know what that entails, but it looks to be system-level.
Trevelyan9999
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So just like a PC game, meaning even on the handheld version all the high spec effects data, textures, lighting will be there on the cart just not accessible?
ArchedThunder
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Pretty much, some mobile games work similarly to what is described here. This would also allow NX to be a constantly updated platform, spec wise.
Pretty sure in bulk they are less than 50 cents. Even if you assume you are paying a tenth of the price for a Blu Ray vs a card, the savings on a card reader vs a Blu Ray drive should mitigate the issue.
I will never buy a digital only console.
I'm not very tech savvy, do you mind explaining? To my knowledge, disk based games are the cream of the crop when it comes to pretty, smooth-playing games.
If they can sort out their online infrastructure and create proper accounts (at long last), then maybe. The controller is a factor too. If it's still the Wii U pad, then fuck no.
I love it that we're more excited about services and accounts and software format compatibility than hardware specs in these threads (at least for the short term)
That kind of stuff is easier to suss out based on company philosophy and statements vs cold hardware specs.
Can't wait to hear more!
That kind of stuff is easier to suss out based on company philosophy and statements vs cold hardware specs.
Can't wait to hear more!
Graphics Horse
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When they're banking on it as their entire hardware strategy for the next x years it's a very big risk.
I think they should both be announced simultaneously, maybe less important to release them on the same day.
Lupin the Third
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For Nintendo yes, but not for third parties they might be trying to woo back. The only thing that might appeal to them is that they might be able to sell to owners of both NX platforms with a single title. But if it's cart based it won't have the manufacturing appeal/profit margin of a BD format medium.
KingJ2002
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Makes sense to dump the disk drive now... people are now either streaming or downloading content these days. I can't imagine them going with charts to be honest... but imagining download times for these 40GB plus titles would be a nightmare for the bulk of the wold... so it makes sense for them to load up off of a cart.
I do wonder if Nintendo will try to do what Microsoft failed at which is to get rid of the second hand market by having titles you bought attached to your Nintendo Network account.
I do wonder if Nintendo will try to do what Microsoft failed at which is to get rid of the second hand market by having titles you bought attached to your Nintendo Network account.