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Nintendo loses Wii remote lawsuit against iLife; must pay $10M
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Elaugaufein
Member
Yeah, East Texas/Marshall is particularly famous. Eg http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/26/justices-jangle-nerves-in-texas-town-that-patent-trolls-built/
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Yep. Nintendo even tried to move the case to Washington based on the Supreme Court ruling but got denied by the Dallas judge:
https://www.law360.com/articles/938990
CrunchyFrog
Member
On principle I think it's actually pretty sound. If your argument is right it's essential that you be able to explain it to a layman, because not everyone in the world has the time to be an expert on everything and you can't expect people to always just take you at your word. It's why ethics panels on scientific studies always have one or more unaffiliated non-science-related persons to push people to be less jargon-y and more straightforward in explaining their methods and rationale. In order to educate the populace sometimes you have to bring things down to their level, especially if you want them to support you.
Living the Dream
Member
😂😂😂😂
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Really? Why must some people pull out the fanboy jabbering in every thread and emberass themselves...
This law suit is hilarious, the US patent law is obviously broken and a patent troll is involved. It does need no Ninlove to take side.
entremet
Member
Theres always at least one in those types of posters in the threads lol.
Elaugaufein
Member
Yeah, Nintendo doesn't cover themselves in glory in the use of IP to advantage Nintendo at the cost of society in general stakes. But East Texas is something special when it comes to Patent suits, it's effectively a bought and paid for court. Not even Nintendo deserves that shit.
Serenitynow
Member
Let's say Nintendo appeals. Who decides if the decision gets overturned?
Edit: Did my research. I just wanted to be sure it was out of the hands of some jury.
Edit: Did my research. I just wanted to be sure it was out of the hands of some jury.
They also lost a lawsuit to Philips not so long ago http://m.ign.com/articles/2014/06/23/nintendo-loses-lawsuit-to-philipsI think this is the first time I've read about Nintendo losing a lawsuit!
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
Always Texas and patent trolls.
Dreamwriter
Member
This is the patent in question: https://www.google.com/patents/US6864796
Its rather vague - it involves a sensor (which is defined as basically any kind of sensor, not just accelerometers) inside a communication device (which is defined as any kind of computing device). If the sensor detects motion that goes beyond a specific threshold, it triggers an alarm.
The thing is, ideas cannot be patented, only very specific implementations of an idea. This just seems way too vague, this really is just patenting the idea.
Its rather vague - it involves a sensor (which is defined as basically any kind of sensor, not just accelerometers) inside a communication device (which is defined as any kind of computing device). If the sensor detects motion that goes beyond a specific threshold, it triggers an alarm.
The thing is, ideas cannot be patented, only very specific implementations of an idea. This just seems way too vague, this really is just patenting the idea.
Your post just reeks of fanboy crap.
The Wiimote does not detect if someone has fallen as it was never designed for that.
Yes you need to have patent for each region market you want to sell the product in.
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
Elaugaufein
Member
Yeah, patents are supposed to be implementable from the patent but they've sort of expands to vague descriptions of stuff that might be implementable thanks to process patents. The Patent Office is far to lenient in its grants.
Justin Bailey
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lol - I guess the Northern Texas District was getting jealous of the Eastern District's patent troll lawsuits. Now they have some competition!
That's why it's no question that the patent is invalid and is from a patent troll as pointed out by this other post that they also sued a bunch of other companies for the same patent:
The problem is that it was trialled in Texas as pointed out by others in the thread already.
hanspampel
Banned
nvm
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
They are patent troll, so they are kinda like your kindred spirit.
Dreamwriter
Member
Note that this isnt really a patent troll - this is a company that invented Ive fallen and I cant get up tech, and actually sells it. They are being greedy in their patent lawsuits, but at least this is the company that made the tech they are suing over, it isnt a company formed specifically for the purpose of suing over patents they bought.
HoodWinked
Member
combination of overly vague patents and east texas district haven for patent litigation.
KingHenrik30
Member
I know how they can recoup that -
PRODUCE MORE SNES MINIS
PRODUCE MORE SNES MINIS
But the patent is vague and it doesn't even apply to the wiimote. By citing this case, this company could sue Sony, oculus, htc, and all phone manufacturers and win based off such a loose and bogus claim.
HUH
SinCityAssassin
Member
Yeah that's going to appeals court.
Serenitynow
Member
Hopefully not in Texas!
Elaugaufein
Member
Where it may lose it should be noted. The Patent Appeals Court is also fairly troll friendly. But Nintendo can afford to go to the Supreme Court if it has too.
Specialist courts are sort of problematic since like arbitration tribunals there's a sort of a hand on the scales in favour of the "customer".
Embarrass yourself in front of everyone for no reason brehs. You should have just passed this thread on by...
So basically they can sue any company with motion sensors? I'm shookt. :O
tkscz
Member
Because they don't actually look at patents. The two patents are clearly different, but if you don't look at them, you won't know. There is a reason they went to Texas for this.
I wouldn't want you to manage any company's finances. Not fighting to pay $10 million is silly, not matter how much you have.
SinCityAssassin
Member
The only other time Nintendo tried to appeal was when the 3DS loss happened and they won, so we'll see.
Weltall Zero
Member
Apparently other people on here just automatically side against them just as quickly and baselessly. I'm sure Nintendo actually stole technology from the baby monitor making company, as did all the others:
All a bunch of dirty thieves. It's certainly not a case of abusing the broken patent system to get some quick and easy buck. *rolleyes*
katsubento
Member
This made laugh good.
I can see your point in needing to ensure patents are understandable across all degrees of intelligence but I still don't like the idea of juries. Far easier to sway a jury with big talk and using trick imagery or language to prove a false point then a judge who knows their tech.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Is this your Pavlovian response to the word 'nintendo'?
T
What about the judges? I don't know how it works with civil cases but in criminal court a guilty verdict can be overturned by a judge . If these patents are obvious trolls to gamers surely a civil judge can understand Nintendo lawyer language?
Vyse The Legend
Member
East Texas is a haven for patent trolls. Maybe listen to this before claiming people are blindly Stan-ing.
The local judges are responsible for making it a patent troll heaven in the first place
Do some research first
What I'd love to see if Apple suing them into oblivion for using the lowercase i... for their dumbass name.
iLife? smh
What you're asking of him is literally impossible.
The title had Nintendo in it after all, but not only that, on top of it all it had Wii in there as well!
Must attack!
iLife? smh
What you're asking of him is literally impossible.
The title had Nintendo in it after all, but not only that, on top of it all it had Wii in there as well!
Must attack!
Meesh
Member
They should've snuck some to the Jurors lol