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Nintendo Sinks After Game Makers Say Switch 2 Pushed to 2025
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
How can be derayed if it wasnt announced?? every year people say Siwtch 2 is coming out and they lie every year it will be 2027 my friends
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Nintendo is doomed. They might as well go multiplatform now.
It was different this year, though. Analysts and market watchers had reports from parts suppliers, display manufacturers and many others all strongly hinting at a 2024 release date.
Couple that with declining hardware sales and you can imagine the market strongly anticipating a Switch 2 this year.
This is just course correction anyway. Nintendo shares already rose two weeks ago in anticipation of a 2024 release. So its net neutral
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
CuteFaceJay
Member
just means we buy the stocks on the lows. ggez
Astray
Member
AFAIK he's not the one who wrote the Nintendo stuff.Bloomberg make up everything the face of clirkbait
Takashi Mochizuki typically covers the Sony and Nintendo beats.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
he lies about everything to his track records is crud
PendekarRajawali
Member
Horseganador
Member
Surely this does not generate as much comment as in the case of Sony xDD.
Tsaki
Member
You don't need to have official confirmation that something is happening to know that it happened. We knew GTA6 existed before Rockstar released the trailer.
All platform holders have internal launch windows for their future platforms and they communicate those to their partners. If Nintendo wants robust 3rd party support for their next console, they'd have already talked with publishers about when to expect the hardware so that they plan and release games accordingly.
If Eurogamer, Bloomberg and VGC all have, independently, reached out to people in those companies and got a unanimous answer (2024 --> 2025), it's highly likely that it happened.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Feels like they're deliberately waiting for the Switch to pass PS2's lifetime sales before announcing the next one.
Woopah
Member
I think that point is still years away. The device will definitely be announced before then.
There's no logic in that. They don't care.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Wii U was announced what 2-3 years before it actually launched? Nah, Nintendo clearly was not entirely sure on how to follow the Switch up and managed to course correct well shifting resources from Wii U to designing and accelerating its successor. I would have wished them to save it like Sony did PS3, but maybe it was impossible.Yeah, shareholders, they should rush the new console out even if there’s little software ready to come out with it. It worked wonders a decade or so ago when you made the same suggestion for Wii U…
Switch 2 seems to be in a similar situation… maybe. At some point Switch will run out of steam and if Switch 2 is not ready… do we have another Wii U situation? If they wanted a Switch Pro mid-gen refresh they could have already done it but they opted not to…
saintjules
Gold Member
Exactly. As I was saying in the delayed 2025 thread, it was internally delayed.
Spirit Icana
Member
Not a big deal. It'll fly up the day Switch 2 (or whatever it's called) is officially announced. That's when it'll matter. If Nintendo revealed the Switch 2 and stocks don't go up (because investors have no faith in the product) then we raise the red flags. I don't anticipate that happening.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
You are right, but…a counter argument would be, most of Nintendo’s major first party teams have put out one game on Switch. What have they been doing this whole time? Is this a case of poor management? I believe this is the narrative you will see going forward. It is a fair question, and a cause for concern. Truth is, we won’t have any idea until Nintendo reveal’s the next hardware.Yeah, shareholders, they should rush the new console out even if there’s little software ready to come out with it. It worked wonders a decade or so ago when you made the same suggestion for Wii U…
I also think it is fair to question all these rumors to this point. Is Switch 2 really BC? Is it really an LCD screen, etc. Nintendo has a lot to talk about when it is time, and the questions will no longer be softballs in the investor meetings.
As for the insiders, they are going to get crushed. Possibly, rightfully so. We will see. Was the info they gave accurate or fabricated. Some of it was clearly fabricated.
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Makes sense, no? Without Switch 2 or any heavy hitting games (neither Peach, Paper Mario, Luigi's Mansion or Metroid Prime 4 will do upwards of 5 million) it makes sense this'll be a hard year for Nintendo.
Even if Switch is still selling decent enough for it's age, it will still drop compared to last year and it's not gonna compete with PS5. Add to that there's no heavy hitter movie like Mario this year either.
I mean, it'd would be logical to assume Nintendo's revenue this year will be at least 25-30% lower than last year, so makes sense that share prices take a hit.
That being said, I'm still not convinced about the delay. Unless there's something going wrong with the manufactoring process or something, it doesn't make any sense to delay it.
Even if Switch is still selling decent enough for it's age, it will still drop compared to last year and it's not gonna compete with PS5. Add to that there's no heavy hitter movie like Mario this year either.
I mean, it'd would be logical to assume Nintendo's revenue this year will be at least 25-30% lower than last year, so makes sense that share prices take a hit.
That being said, I'm still not convinced about the delay. Unless there's something going wrong with the manufactoring process or something, it doesn't make any sense to delay it.
Woopah
Member
Some have only done 1 (namely EPD8 and EPD9) and Retro has done 0. But apart from that most teams have done multiple Switch games.
SirTerry-T
Member
I'm no financial expert but from the knowledge I have gained from perusing Gaf this past month or so, I reckon the answer would be to get MS to bring Starfield to the Switch...
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
I respect what your saying…but..
The “Deluxe” Wii U ports Can mostly be done in less than a years time. If you strip that away from most teams, the Animal Crossing team did a lot of work, Monolith did also (though, i believe they have multiple teams), and Game Freak (though this is a whole different topic).
Smash Ultimate, Mario Tennis, BOTW games had their bones and framework from their Wii U counterparts. Even though they were heavily improved.
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Look, game development is hard and each generation, takes longer to develop most games than the previous Gen. It is fair to ask questions of Nintendo at this point, due to Nintendo’s secrecy. MS and Sony are obviously very much in the spotlight due to lack of first party software. I don’t know if this is due completely to poor management, misunderstanding where the industry is going, or it is the pandemic workforce lag. It is an interesting conversation.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Right? One brand is struggling, so let's pivot to Nintendo and PlayStation — the two brands that are being successfully managed.
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Woopah
Member
I'm not counting the Wii U ports here, just new games released on Switch and full remakes.
When you say "most of Nintendo’s major first party teams have put out one game on Switch", which teams are you referring to?
People are giving any odd reasons they can come up with for the declining shares for everything. Sony down, oh it must be the margins, forecast or bizarrely PSVR2. Nintendo is down even though it has high margins oh it must be the switch delay. Take 2 is down and cut forecasts by $1B oh they must have moved GTA6.
Look gaming/spending is down this year guys. The market is just reacting.
Look gaming/spending is down this year guys. The market is just reacting.
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Do you not realize that companies have product roadmaps planned out several years in advance? You think the Switch 2 R&D department has some open ended timeline with no target completion date?
Come on. This “it can’t be delayed unless they officially announced it” idea is one of the dumbest things that keeps popping up in this forum.
Not exactly an ‘odd reason’ when the market is clearly reacting to reports of the Switch 2 being delayed, especially when the market reacted positively to strong software sales AND reports of a Switch 2 launch in 2024.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Internally delayed is still a delay. Whether it's public or not is sort of irrelevant. Third-parties up until last week were still working on games assuming a late 2024 release, so this affects a lot of plans, outside of just what Nintendo is going to do this year without the planned Switch successor. They'll probably have a light year of Switch software filled out with ports & remakes, and light on new games.
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WhiteWaterM00se
Member
I guess to be clear, name ones that didn’t, not including Wii U ports and rom dumps.
What is your opinion on what is going on over at Nintendo?
Hudo
Member
That's true. But Schreier is a fucking dishonest asshole nonetheless.
Woopah
Member
Nearly all of them.
Of the internal EPD teams, EPD 3, 4, 5 and 10 have all done multiple games for the Switch.
Of the other teams they own, MonolithSoft, Next Level Games, and ND Cube also delivered multiple Switch games.
And then for external partners, Intelligent Systems, Platinum Games, HAL, Camelot, Gamefreak and Bandai Namco Studios delivered multiple Switch games too.
So basically I don't think anything is going on at Nintendo overall. They tend to publish 10 or more games a year, so they have a good output.
Obviously something was wrong at Retro, and potentially something went wrong at EPD8 too. EPD9 was wasted on Mario Kart Tour, which might not have been the best use of them.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
I agree with you.
The games planning I was referring to was the fact that Nintendo needs to be able to schedule everything and anticipate things in which may cause delays.
That is wonderful that most teams had multiple projects. My question is, what caused delays for big games on Switch 2? If it is a major Launch game that is delayed? Why wasn’t this covered in advance? Nintendo is well known for sitting on projects (allegedly) until they are ready to schedule them in.
I don’t disagree with anything you said and appreciate the information. My statement is simply something has gone wrong somewhere, and it is either:
1.) something was not allocated for in the management planning.
2.) investors, media outlets and forums have been mislead by “insiders”, grifters, and so called “media journalists”. And Nintendo was not planning on Switch 2 reveal in March. Nor would they have access to BC, or Spec info. Something is amiss somewhere. This would be the fault of the masses for listening.
No doubt a reckoning is coming. Someone or likely many will have to answer some tough questions going forward.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I dunno, Nintendo has conditioned their audience to not care about graphics/production values so much. If Switch 2 games looked basically like Switch games just with higher resolution + framerate, high res textures, and better draw distance, I bet most people would be completely fine with it.
Luigi Mario
Member
tmlDan
Member
He's a cancer man, his articles must get clicks cause I'm not sure why Bloomberg would keep him
Ogbert
Member
He sniffs underpants.Bloomberg make up everything the face of clirkbait
Holammer
Member
Or getting rid of existing inventory before they release the next gen system. Because unsold machines, games & peripherals get sent to the farm upstate.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Um, selling over 1 billion copies of games (as of May 2023, almost a year ago) with the lion's share on first party stuff? Why would it matter to shareholders how it was done, whether this or that team made 1, the other 2 and yet another only remasters of WiiU games or vice versa or whatever else, as if they ever play them? They are fickle children oblivious to the business and just care for money and it's good Nintendo CEOs like the late Iwata often shot down their dumb suggestions and demands and requests gleamed in the shareholder meetings to keep the integrity and structure of the company and continue making banger after banger regardless of what they think or what the competition is doing, of course they'd have to change attitude eventually if they were proven wrong/questioned/pressured after constant failures but the results speak for themselves and shut them up.
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UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Yeah, shareholders, they should rush the new console out even if there’s little software ready to come out with it. It worked wonders a decade or so ago when you made the same suggestion for Wii U…
Grain of salt. Nintendo needs to be very careful with the next console, and with the Switch still selling well, pushing back and successor was a smart idea.
You’re also right, that this can allow them to potentially have a very strong release window for the next console (and make sure there are no supply chain issues).