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[TintoConCasera]

So, we have to be on the side of the MIG Switch creators? The ones that ruined the second hand market… Ok.

Or you could be on the side of the people that think Nintendo banning accounts without 100% proof of them being pirates is an awful practice but hey, you do you. Just hope it never happens to your account.

 

[StereoVsn]

Or you could be on the side of the people that think Nintendo banning accounts without 100% proof of them being pirates is an awful practice but hey, you do you. Just hope it never happens to your account.

Yep, we are not defending the bans against MiG users. What we are not happy with is Nintendo's bans of regular customers who inadvertently may have bought physical carts that were dumped.

It should be on Nintendo to figure out how to ONLY ban MiG users if that's what they are hell bent on, not legitimate used game customers.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I don't know why I keep opening these threads and expecting it to be a normal purchase or traded in game.

 

[LordOcidax]

Or you could be on the side of the people that think Nintendo banning accounts without 100% proof of them being pirates is an awful practice but hey, you do you. Just hope it never happens to your account.

Duplicated game ID = Ban… Simple . Thanks to MIG Switch.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Thanks to MIG Switch.

They aren't the ones banning accounts, but Nintendo.

 

[Topher]

Duplicated game ID = Ban… Simple . Thanks to MIG Switch.

 

[RoboFu]

for those that still don't get it...

- people have created a way to dump switch games
- people have created a way to run dumped switch 1 games on switch 1 using hardware and software exploits.
- people started creating fake switch cards using those exploits to sell fake switch games off places like aliexpress for cheap.
- people buy those games for switch 1 but switch 2 checks for these fake game cards.
- Nintendo bans users with these fake cards from online services.


- anyone who went all digital doesn't have to worry about any of this.
- anyone who buys new games from reputable stores doesn't have to worry about any of this.

- anyone who buys used games has to worry.
- anyone who buys off non mainstream stores has to worry about this.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

So, we have to be on the side of the MIG Switch creators? The ones that ruined the second hand market… Ok.

Gentlemen, this is a typical Nintendo cult defence force fanboyish reply from LordOcidax.

Please, don't be like LordOcidax

 

[Topher]

- anyone who buys used games has to worry.
- anyone who buys off non mainstream stores has to worry about this.

No one should have to worry about their $450 console getting banned because they purchased a used game

 

[StereoVsn]

for those that still don't get it...

- people have created a way to dump switch games
- people have created a way to run dumped switch 1 games on switch 1 using hardware and software exploits.
- people started creating fake switch cards using those exploits to sell fake switch games off places like aliexpress for cheap.
- people buy those games for switch 1 but switch 2 checks for these fake game cards.
- Nintendo bans users with these fake cards from online services.


- anyone who went all digital doesn't have to worry about any of this.
- anyone who buys new games from reputable stores doesn't have to worry about any of this.

- anyone who buys used games has to worry.
- anyone who buys off non mainstream stores has to worry about this.

Most of this aren't fake cards. They are real used games that were dumped and then resold.

 

[RoboFu]

Most of this aren't fake cards. They are real used games that were dumped and then resold.

see my last 2 lines still covers that if true .

- anyone who buys used games has to worry.
- anyone who buys off non mainstream stores has to worry about this.

 

[TintoConCasera]

- anyone who buys used games has to worry.

Yeah we know, but some people seem to think this is fine and not the company's fault at all.

Btw LordOcidax I hope you don't resort to insults on the second post the next time we have an interaction of any kind. That shit is lame and only helps to downplay your own arguments.

 

[JPSLotus97T]

I'd like it confirmed that this is from buying used games from wherever.

Would kind of suck that I can't trust purchasing a used Switch cart if I don't know for certain it isn't a bootleg.

I don't care if people using MIG's are getting banned but if people who are buying purportedly legitimate carts are getting console bans?

That's seriously fucked up.

Another thought, if it can detect that the cart is not legitimate and have Nintendo's servers issue a ban, why can't they just simply have it not load the cart? Is that really fucking necessary to ban the system?

 

[Mozza]

Nintendo should ban them all for life..........And if that's not enough they should add dome more.

 

[RoboFu]

Yeah we know, but some people seem to think this is fine and not the company's fault at all.

Btw LordOcidax I hope you don't resort to insults on the second post the next time we have an interaction of any kind. That shit is lame and only helps to downplay your own arguments.of people

the main take away is that people are trash and its only getting worse so buckle up and embrace the digital future.

 

[FoxMcChief]

I think you typed "pirate" wrong.

 

[RoboFu]

Nintendo probably has no way of telling the real cards from the fakes cards. they probably just see 400 of the same card id being used online and bans them all.

 

[Baemono]

Do we have a legitimate source saying that a used game caused Nintendo to ban their console ?

 

[Impotaku]

see the gaf misinformation squad up in here in full force.

There's a really easy way to not put your switch at risk, just don't use a shitty flash cart to steal switch games. Apparently rich enough to waste money on a mig but too cheap to actually buy switch games.

So now all of a sudden there's now fake pirate carts for switch, i have been buying switch games from all 3 main regions for years (jpn/usa/eur) and i have never even once seen a fake switch cart and i'm reaching 700 switch carts. please show me these fake carts flooding the market. Doing a board swap with a shitty but official game to pass it off as something more expensive isn't remotely same as a real fake game thats some shoddily made globtop chip. If people are swapping labels it's no different to past gens where people woyld open expensive carts and swap out the boards with a cheaper game. The only links i have seen reporting on any of it are youtube drama farmers & reddit posts yeah really reliable sources there if this was widespread it would be all over the net not just a handful of places. Calling bullshit on this is just more fearmongering.

Then again i wouldn't expect people to be smart enough to know the difference when theres morons on here that think bricking is the same as been banned from the online service.

Seems like every week some new FUD thread gets made, like a few weeks back when someone tried to say nintendo was bricking switch 2 machines for using an unoffical usb charger.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Do we have a legitimate source saying that a used game caused Nintendo to ban their console ?

Trust me

 

[MSduderino]

Nintendo banning accounts without 100% proof of them being pirates

I'm still not sure this is actually happening but also not trying to be in denial. The reports I've seen have all involved a MiG Switch device being used by the poster, which is a smoking gun to pirating.

 

[MSduderino]

Do we have a legitimate source saying that a used game caused Nintendo to ban their console ?

That's the thing. If you don't trust random people on the internet who contradict themselves, you are defending a multi billion dollar corpo and that's unexcusable, bro!

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

Digital future baby

Whatever it is errors, lies, or pirating, this is your reward for digital future and as long it is not regulated by strict laws, companies will never stop to steal your library for any reason they choose with abusive agreements.

At least Microsoft banned only consoles when the Xbox 360 was heavily pirated by ODE or Reset glitch and not the account. Account should never banned, only the hardware, and they should allow, forced by laws, to transfer all purchased games to a new account without any limitations.

I really hope that Europe will finally address soon or later this "legal" abusive steal by companies.

Dear Nintendo

 

[Topher]

I think you typed "pirate" wrong.

Nope. Not when we have people putting "pirates" and folks who buy used games in the same bucket.

The issue here is not only the Mig users that are going to get banned, also the people that buy the original game with the same game ID is going to get banned, thanks to the MIG Switch… Nintendo did a great job with the cartridge security, took almost 7 years for the hackers to break the security in place to make a copy that can be read by the console. Nintendo has zero responsibility in this.

Duplicated game ID = Ban… Simple . Thanks to MIG Switch.

All while pretending Nintendo has nothing to do with it.

 

[touchfuzzy]

I don't know why I keep opening these threads and expecting it to be a normal purchase or traded in game.

It literally never will be - anyone catching a ban like this is up to no good and then feigning innocence online cause they're mad.

 

[Topher]

Nintendo probably has no way of telling the real cards from the fakes cards. they probably just see 400 of the same card id being used online and bans them all.

That's Nintendo's problem to solve, not people who are buying games legitimately.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Nope. Not when we have people putting "pirates" and folks who buy used games in the same bucket.





All while pretending Nintendo has nothing to do with it.

That's some victim blaming mentality. So because it's easy to pirate switch games, it's all Nintendo's fault?

 

[FoxMcChief]

That's Nintendo's problem to solve, not people who are buying games legitimately.

But is this even a legitimate concern? I've only heard YouTube fascists complaining.

 

[RoboFu]

An easy thing to implement would be a less aggressive warning system. First time using a fake card or resold dumped card just give them a warning " You are trying used a card that has been marked as being unlawfully used. If you continue to try to use this you will be banned from Nintendo Online Services".


But truthfully I seriously doubt they are banning anyone over a one time use. More than likely it's a combination of console ID and MANY bad game IDs.

But just like everyone else in this, I just really do not know.

 

[Topher]

That's some victim blaming mentality. So because it's easy to pirate switch games, it's all Nintendo's fault?

Who designed the system? Legit consumers are collateral damage and you are ok with it because they bought a used game? Please tell me that is not your "mentality"

But is this even a legitimate concern? I've only heard YouTube fascists complaining.

Ask RoboFu . I'm just replying to his scenario.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Duplicated game ID = Ban… Simple . Thanks to MIG Switch.

This is a new lvl of pathetic shilling, Jesus.

 

[Kacho]

But is this even a legitimate concern? I've only heard YouTube fascists complaining.

We don't really know so everyone is arguing over hypotheticals.

We certainly know grandma isn't buying hot copies of Bayonetta 3 off EBay so lil Timmy is fine.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Make a shit ass hardware with shit ass security measures and shit ass cartridge that can be exploited, blame on the everyday consumer that just want to save some bucks for your mistakes...Nintendo

 

[FoxMcChief]

Who designed the system? Legit consumers are collateral damage and you are ok with it because they bought a used game? Please tell me that is not your "mentality"



Ask RoboFu . I'm just replying to his scenario.

No, I don't have anything against the used game sales. I also haven't heard or seen a legitimate example of Nintendo banning consoles for anyone, except those breaking ToA.

 

[Inanilmaz]

I heard some of them switches even exploded thanks to MIG switch. Glad its not Nintendo's fault.

 

[Topher]

No, I don't have anything against the used game sales. I also haven't heard or seen a legitimate example of Nintendo banning consoles for anyone, except those breaking ToA.

I haven't seen anything other than mig switch cases either. As I said earlier, if they are only banning mig switch users or other obvious pirates then fine, but the point has been raised about folks buying used games having to "worry". That just shouldn't be the case. Hopefully it isn't.

 

[MSduderino]

I haven't seen anything other than mig switch cases either. As I said earlier, if they are only banning mig switch users or other obvious pirates then fine, but the point has been raised about folks buying used games having to "worry". That just shouldn't be the case. Hopefully it isn't.

Right but some here are at fault for fear mongering without accuracy. Look at the title of the thread. How many people accusing those of us who are skeptical of being shills? Everyone needs to settle down and see both sides here.

 

[Topher]

Right but some here are at fault for fear mongering without accuracy. Look at the title of the thread. How many people accusing those of us who are skeptical of being shills? Everyone needs to settle down and see both sides here.

I've only seen one guy accused of shilling and frankly, he deserved it. But yeah, I called out the OP because of the way he withheld the article link and only provided a small bit of it in the post. I think the consensus here is that this youtuber is full of shit. The rest of the thread is largely just speculation and hypotheticals. Really isn't anything to get worked up about, I agree.

 

[StereoVsn]

Right but some here are at fault for fear mongering without accuracy. Look at the title of the thread. How many people accusing those of us who are skeptical of being shills? Everyone needs to settle down and see both sides here.

You know how this could easily be solved? Nintendo coming out and making a public statement so people don't have to guess.

There have been scattered reports of people being banned for used game cart that was previously dumped. It is hard to verify this stuff, but all of the "fear mongering" would be resolved by Nintendo publishing the information.

 

[MSduderino]

There have been scattered reports of people being banned for used game cart that was previously dumped. It is hard to verify this stuff, but all of the "fear mongering" would be resolved by Nintendo publishing the information.

The fear mongering is from people not reading the whole story though. When you know these cases involved posters using MiG, you should be skeptical if used games had anything to do with it. People are jumping to conclusions based on incomplete and sometimes wrong info.

 

[StereoVsn]

The fear mongering is from people not reading the whole story though. When you know these cases involved posters using MiG, you should be skeptical if used games had anything to do with it. People are jumping to conclusions based on incomplete and sometimes wrong info.

In this particular case, yes, it's absolutely not clear what the heck is going on but with MiG involved it's likely the ban was due to that.

I am talking about reports from other folks who supposedly bought used games and got banned. A statement from Nintendo could provide a lot of clarity.

 

[SomeNorseGuy]

I haven't seen anything other than mig switch cases either. As I said earlier, if they are only banning mig switch users or other obvious pirates then fine, but the point has been raised about folks buying used games having to "worry". That just shouldn't be the case. Hopefully it isn't.

Ninty needs to adress this, hopefully they'll put out a statement soon. I can think of several scenarios:

1. "Lol, no need to worry. Ye of little faith. Buying second hand will NEVER ban your console. We 100% gurantee it.

2. There are sadly a lot of counterfeit games going around - Here's a visual guide to EASILY spot fake cartridges.

3. After much consideration we've decided to put out a Switch² hotfix to unfuck our customers. In our ever vigilant fight against piracy we've put in place countermeasures that sadly turned out to harm our legitimate fans.

4. Fuck MIG, fuck used games and fuck you. Please understand.

 

[MSduderino]

I am talking about reports from other folks who supposedly bought used games and got banned. A statement from Nintendo could provide a lot of clarity.

Every thread I've seen like this has been about mig masquerading as "my switch was banned because I bought a used game."

 

[sainraja]

Have Ninty made any official comments about this? Seems like a thing you'd want to put out a statement about.

Nintendo** benefits from fear and mongering because buying new is better for them. It doesn't matter if there is any truth to this but as long as some people believe it, they have no reason to set the record straight, not right now anyway. If it ends up impacting them in some way, they won't take long and put it to rest.

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** Probably should add that this applies to Sony/MS too.

 

[dragonyeuw]

Nintendo** benefits from fear and mongering because buying new is better for them. It doesn't matter if there is any truth to this but as long as some people believe it, they have no reason to set the record straight, not right now anyway. If it ends up impacting them in some way, they won't take long and put it to rest.

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** Probably should add that this applies to Sony/MS too.

Exactly. Regardless of what actually is or isn't the reality here, there's no incentive for Nintendo to alleviate any fears with buying used; they get nothing from that transaction. If people are scared off by these stories and stick with retail/Eshop that's a win-win for them.

 

[Closer]

This is a case of an old costumer, now a seller, screwing up a costumer. Basically, people being dicks.

 

[simpatico]

Guys what if one millionth of Nintendo Switch 2 owners get wrongfully banned and have to call in to the customer support? I wonder if a very public hunger strike would make Nintendo stop this frenzied, drunken crusade that they call "Switch 2 Launch".

 

[Lokaum D+]

Ninty needs to adress this, hopefully they'll put out a statement soon. I can think of several scenarios:

1. "Lol, no need to worry. Ye of little faith. Buying second hand will NEVER ban your console. We 100% gurantee it.

2. There are sadly a lot of counterfeit games going around - Here's a visual guide to EASILY spot fake cartridges.

3. After much consideration we've decided to put out a Switch² hotfix to unfuck our customers. In our ever vigilant fight against piracy we've put in place countermeasures that sadly turned out to harm our legitimate fans.

4. Fuck MIG, fuck used games and fuck you. Please understand.

4 look to be more on point with Nintendo brand.

 

[Sinozen]

Quit being dramatic and read the thread. He admits to using the MiG device which is against Nintendo EULA. No one had their consoles bricked. It's a banning from their network and it is fairly easily reversible.

Read my comment. It doesn't matter the reason. They should not be able to brick your device. Nobody should lay $450 for a console and potentially hundreds if not thousands on overpriced video games and accessories just for Nintendo to turn around and nuke everything because you put the wrong cartridge in or did something they don't like. That's just objectively wrong.

You call me dramatic, you clearly don't value your money or time. The average consumer has no idea about the EULA but if they did they probably would think twice about buying into an ecosystem where you can lose everything on a dime.

 

[MacReady13]

I tend not to buy used games at all so this affects me in no way whatsoever, and the fact they're working on cutting out piracy is a good thing BUT, in cases like this (if true) and he can verify he was sold a pirated game, Nintendo should allow his account to have that ban removed.