analog_future
Resident Crybaby
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Nintendo Switch Emulator Ryujinx's Github and Profile Have Been Deleted
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killatopak
Member
If this somehow means there's no BC in Switch 2, I'm gonna curse Nintendo lawyers.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
nope
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U n i o n 0015
Member
I like Nintendo's games but I loathe them as a company.
tkscz
Member
Sounds less like a DMCA take down and more like a pay off. Since these guys weren't sharing ROM files, Nintendo probably couldn't go after them legally. Didn't think they'd go this route for it.
It's done.
Especially with all the pc handhelds out now. Nintendo is dumb as fuck. If you really want to end emulation release the game a few months after console on PC.
Astray
Member
Not necessarily.
"Cease development, take down all the repos and downloads, sign this paper and we will let you go in peace" can qualify as an agreement just fine.
Kadve
Member
Don't recall there being any fallout over it but did Sony ever respond over the fact that that they used PCSX ReARMed without the creators permission when they released the PS mini? I still find it hilarious in the context of the Bleem situation.Someone should actually challenge them in court like the BLEEM case, and Nintendo would likely loose too.
Bleem! - Wikipedia
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GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
Is there a strong legal case against emulators specifically though? Like I get pirated roms or hardware mods...but an emulator specifically? I don't think it would be a slam dunk legally...
Which is why I am speculating they just offered him some large amount of money to stop?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Perhaps not, but in many of those cases, small groups or individuals just don't have the time or money to fight against teams of lawyers, so they rather simply give up.
RCX
Member
I have to assume the source has been forked and preserved. Not that it'll matter in the short term. Switch emulation looks like it'll be dormant for the next couple of years.
Also seems certain that Nintendo are taking the Wii method for the next machine. IE tape a bunch of the previous gen machine together and call it a new product.
Also seems certain that Nintendo are taking the Wii method for the next machine. IE tape a bunch of the previous gen machine together and call it a new product.
tkscz
Member
In terms of Yuzu, Tropical Haze actually had pirated ROMs and got caught using them to get games working on Yuzu in parity with their official release.Someone should actually challenge them in court like the BLEEM case, and Nintendo would likely loose too.
Bleem! - Wikipedia
This still sounds like they paid the Ryujynx team off to stop. Not sure if that's something you can take to court if you accept the pay-off.
No there isn't, no matter how much Nintendo (and Sony) want to believe there is. They'll make the claim that it promotes piracy but there is no way to get evidence proving it, just hearsay in a court room. Again, which is why I believe the Ryujynx devs worded this the way they did. It sounds like Nintendo came to them with a form of offer, maybe a payment but we can't say, and that they decided to take it.
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finalflame
Banned
You don't have to "lose" a lawsuit to lose a lawsuit. Especially one against a multinational corporation.
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GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
True...
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Well at least it kinda confirms that Switch 2 will be way more iterative than we think.
On the other hand, Mario and his lawyer squad can suck my johnson with this Yakyza-style bullying of clearly legal products. Once hanafuda company = always hanafuda company.
On the other hand, Mario and his lawyer squad can suck my johnson with this Yakyza-style bullying of clearly legal products. Once hanafuda company = always hanafuda company.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
How come they do that so effortlessly now? Surely they've wanted to kill emus since the GBA or earlier and every other system was also emulated & hacked early on, why are they so efficient now? Surely they tried before too, they had a big crack down on rom sites year past as well, so what changed since then? I imagine how openly they're monetised nowadays is a factor, though donations and what not aren't exactly a new thing either so yeah, what else is different?
Edit: jesus folks responding to me with why N want emus dead, Switch 2, back compat, duh, of course they do, just like Sony when they killed Bleem!, I'm asking what changed to make it so easy vs any time before that they still wanted it (and were already big and greedy, were you born yesterday?).
Edit: jesus folks responding to me with why N want emus dead, Switch 2, back compat, duh, of course they do, just like Sony when they killed Bleem!, I'm asking what changed to make it so easy vs any time before that they still wanted it (and were already big and greedy, were you born yesterday?).
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diffusionx
Gold Member
On a high level, emulators are in the safe zone... As long as you're reverse engineering, and not using stolen code, or BIOS, or things like that. But I also think a company that wants to make life hell for an emu maker can.
Can either of you name one affordable mobile device from 2017 that was capable of playing console-level games for more than two hours without thermal throttling like crazy besides the Switch?
The answer is no. For it's time it was a genuinely solid piece of hardware. Saying "ERM ACKTUALLY ITS A 2015 NVIDIA CHIP" is irrelevant and evidence you don't really understand what you're talking about. You do realize most consoles and mobile handhelds tend to use off-the-shelf components as a base that are already dated upon release, right? The original Xbox was a complete powerhouse for a console at launch and yet it was a generation behind the Pentium 4 on the PC side.
Even then, the Nvidia Tegra was incredibly powerful and efficient compared to other ARM solutions, so it being a few years in at that point didn't really matter.
I think the Switch is incredibly dated and long in the tooth at this point, but you can't really argue that Nintendo did the best they could do for an affordable handheld console. Newer Nvidia chips would've been far too costly and most likely not as efficient for what Nintendo was trying to achieve. Asking 1080p out of even 2017 mobile hardware was far too demanding. Even a 2022 Steam Deck x86-64 APU can't really achieve this well, and it's far more powerful.
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ReyBrujo
Member
Yeah, along pedos and terrorists, that will really help buff their image.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Kenjinx will be up on GitHub next week, don't worry.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Nintendo are pricks. The guy probably did nothing illegal (unlike Yuzu devs) and just doesn't want to deal with lawyers and court dates. Oh well, Ryujinx as it exists today will never go away and works nearly flawlessly.
Well that's how Sony killed VGS back in the day. Sued them, they were bleeding out and then bought them. They just sued Bleem! until it bled out and died. VGS was a much better emulator though.
That's the easiest way for companies to deal with stuff like this, bleed them out or buy them, they have no actual legal case otherwise. Just flat out offering them money to fuck off somehow wasn't what I was expecting though....Unless it was, "Fuck off, or fuck around and find out"
DrDryRub
Banned
Russ from the YouTube channel retro game corps also got 2 copyright strikes from Nintendo of Japan over this past few days. Nintendo is at it again. In the USA what the YouTubers film is under fair use clause but in Japan there is no fair use so that's why NOJ are attacking people
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RCX
Member
A lesson for anyone attempting this in future.
Squeaky clean code,
decentralized repositories,
no discord (seriously why do they keep doing this? It's a hive for piracy talk and only attracts the wrong kind of attention),
stay as anonymous as possible.
Don't be living in a DMCA country
Squeaky clean code,
decentralized repositories,
no discord (seriously why do they keep doing this? It's a hive for piracy talk and only attracts the wrong kind of attention),
stay as anonymous as possible.
Don't be living in a DMCA country
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Barakov
Member
Would explain why Nintendo is even more hostile to emulation than usual these days.It's as if switch 2 games are going to work on current switch emulators.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
So I guess the moral of the story is that you can expect to get a big payout as long as you are the administrator of a popular enough Switch emulator.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
nope
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Sleepwalker
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
AtomicStarving
Member
Nintendo think they can remove the files from the internet
CliffBronger
Member
Buggy Loop
Member
It's the internet
it's too late Nintendo
You kill 1 source, 10 more will appear
it's too late Nintendo
You kill 1 source, 10 more will appear
Guilty_AI
Member
They got big and greedy after the switch
FeralEcho
Member
Yes I suppose if we're talking about it as a mobile device,which granted it is...then yes in 2017 it was good but I guess I compare it more as a classic console tech as I use it in dock mode primarily. I don't mind games being underpowered as a portable but the docked mode should've easily pushed 1080p in 2017 which is where my dissapointment stems from.
So yes as a portable it's impressive for 2017,I agree.
As a docked console though it's not great.
Which I hope they focus a bit on with Switch 2,make a more expensive docked version thats more powerful.
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Astray
Member
I don't really think that the legal case itself and its strength matters here.
The question here is simple: "There's a chance you might win, but do you really want to risk losing everything for it?"
No one wants to be the guy who suffers immeasurably so we can all post about how great the ruling he got was for Emulation.
The calculus gets even worse when you're the guy who did it for the streets and then lost.
No one online will help you if you fuck around with Nintendo and find out, so most people go along to get along.
Astray
Member
It's backcompat.
Backcompat and having all the games in one big unified ever-expanding market means that games retain their original value to the publisher even after they move on to making new systems.
In 8 years, Super Mario Odyssey won't stop being valuable to Nintendo because they're about to launch Switch 3, no, they will want to continue making money on it.
Sony will come for the Bloodborne guys too, the only reason they're waiting is to be able to seize actually working code for emulation and fixes instead of a wonky one that will cost them more money.
