Da-Kid
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Nintendo Switch Presentation - January 12th
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DragonKnight
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Man i gotta stay outta nintendo threads on this forum. It always devolves into the same tired gloom and doom.
It sucks cuz I dont know anywhere else to have these discussions.
It sucks cuz I dont know anywhere else to have these discussions.
Skittzo0413
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1. It's an old game remastered, exactly what we're figuring might commonplace for third party support on the platform
2. Nintendo has done nothing in the last 10 years to make me believe that suddenly they "get" how to make an attractive platform for western third parties. I've done the "lets just wait and see" song and dance pre-launch too many times at this point. With Switch, I'm assuming the worst. It's gonna have shit third party support, and I'm probably right. If I'm wrong, great! But I'm probably right
That's probably the smart thing to do, yeah.
But I'm always an optimist, and I'm more hopeful than before the reveal for a few reasons. For one, we have Nvidia talking about spending 500 "man-hour" years developing the hardware and software tools, and considering Nvidia does a good amount of support for AAA multiplats on PC (with Geforce Experience, game optimizations, drivers) I would bet that porting a game between Switch and PC will be far easier than it was for any Nintendo console since before the Gamecube.
The developers list was also surprisingly encouraging. I know I know, we got those same things for Wii U and 3DS, but those lists were MUCH smaller than this. It's encouraging in terms of launch/launch window support, though it remains to be seen how long those developers will stay on.
And the last thing is that the Switch actually does offer a unique advantage to third party ports. Obviously not power, but portability. If there winds up being a big demand for AAA multiplats that are portable, then those launch ports will likely sell well enough that third parties will end up seeing the Switch as a viable platform. I know I'm buying Skyrim on the Switch, cause having it in that form factor will make it much easier to pick up and play than on my PC. If a sizable amount of the audience feels the way I do then those ports could wind up doing very respectable numbers.
But yeah, if you are really worried about getting burned then I'd keep your expectations low and just hope for the best. Me, I don't really mind being optimistic since it doesn't tend to bother me all that much if third party support winds up not being there.
This and Skyrim alone would make this the best Nintendo console in terms of third party support.
Add in Kid Icarus Uprising HD and finally my god damn StarTropics and this will easily be my favorite console ever.
WordAssassin
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How would Lego Dimensions, or Skylanders or any Toys To Life game for that matter, even work on the Switch? Sure you can plug the base into the Dock, but once you pull the Switch out of the Dock you lose the connection.
Dark Cloud
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Tbf to Nintendo this is like the first time in history that Bethesda has even said they would acknowledge them and you know how Bethesda is. That to me is a big breakthrough. For Nintendo to get Skyrim does speak a lot about Nintendo. It's good to see it.
Didn't Bethesda say they wouldn't care for the Switch if it wasn't Xbox One power?
Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I think this is big news of what Pete Hines said.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/07/pete-...-raise-to-a-certain-level-of-quality-6113553/
What you guys think? It was an interview he did and I feel like he was definitely telling the truth. He wanted Xbox One power and something they don't have to cut all kinds of corner for and here they are supporting Nintendo for the first time in like a century. Lol
Didn't Bethesda say they wouldn't care for the Switch if it wasn't Xbox One power?
Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I think this is big news of what Pete Hines said.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/07/pete-...-raise-to-a-certain-level-of-quality-6113553/
What you guys think? It was an interview he did and I feel like he was definitely telling the truth. He wanted Xbox One power and something they don't have to cut all kinds of corner for and here they are supporting Nintendo for the first time in like a century. Lol
Bluetooth, USB-C or use the bult in NFC if possible?
MrPhiliasfrog
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I have to agree, creating some studios outside of Japan (not only in NA, but worldwide) would be great. But then again, for doing so, you have to improve your income to convince investors that's a reasonable move. May the new projects with their IPs and mobile bring the money back, and here's hope that Switch can be a good-selling platform.
I think you're a going to be disappointed if you expect it to match the Xbox One for power, regardless of that quote. Remember, this is a port of an old game, not a new game designed for Xbox One as its base target. We don't know how it compares to any existing version of Skyrim, and it could be in between old Skyrim and remastered Skyrim in terms of fidelity and detail.
I think we're pretty excited for what the Switch has to offer when it comes to first party support. It should be crazy good. cranking out games left and right.
third parties, on the other hand... it's a nintendo system. you gotta temper expectations.
if you want to do away with the doom talk, try to start a discussion more focused on first party games, and less on hardware power/specs/third party support
But we know that there arent tech limitations in getting ports
Issues are somewhere else
I want Nintendo to turn Mario Kart into Nintendo Kart. Who didn't like the AC and Zelda DLC?
They could also turn it into eSports by streamlining the roster (Kick out the babies!) and giving each character a special item/attack and a specific kart. That could be very interesting.
They could also turn it into eSports by streamlining the roster (Kick out the babies!) and giving each character a special item/attack and a specific kart. That could be very interesting.
WordAssassin
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They'd have to make a brand new portal that connects with Bluetooth, which means you'd have to be able to connect and sync it and that'd make the portals much more complex and expensive, wouldn't it? Built-in NFC wouldn't work because most of the portals allow for 2 or more characters/items (in Dimensions case you can have 7 things on the portal at once, and the portal itself and where you place things on it is used in gameplay).
I could see USB-C though, since supposedly both the Switch and the Dock each have a USB-C port. It wouldn't be a very elegant solution but at least it'd work.
Skittzo0413
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Revisiting that quote is very interesting indeed. It would be hard to imagine the Switch being at XB1 levels of raw power based on what we now know (though who knows how effective the various optimizations brought up with Nvidia and FP16) so I'm curious when Nintendo and Bethesda came to whatever agreement they did. I think we heard that much of the trailer was actually filmed quite a bit of time before the day it aired, though the Skyrim footage clearly wasn't added until editing.
Either way it's likely that they knew they'd be supporting Switch at least with Skyrim in September when this interview took place, so those answers are very interesting.
AtomicShroom
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Has anyone discussed this?
This is what I've been thinking all along. Third parties aren't going to be bringing their current or new AAA multiplats to the Switch. If they do, they will be massively downgraded graphically (no thanks). So outside of Nintendo's own, what we're going to get is a mix of heavily-downgraded games, souped up ports of 10-year-old games, and the occasional exclusive.
Outside of Nintendo's own games, there isn't going to be much of a reason to buy this machine unless you're mainly a on-the-go type of person...
Da-Kid
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They don't even have to create new studios, they could just buy them. Like Wayforward, Playtonic, etc and make them bigger instead of indie.
What do you mean by this?
Da-Kid
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I think this is pretty much what all Nintendo threads come down to.
I am pretty confident that Xbox One ports would be doable but. ..
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It's the Nintendo PSP3, which is exactly what I want.
Well western 3rd parties anyway, but that has always been the case for portables and consoles made by Nintendo. Absorbing 3rd party support from the 3DS, and whatever other Japanese games they can get, is pretty acceptable though. This is certainly not a western AAA machine. At least not at the moment. Perhaps with popularity and future upgrades it could do better in that department down the line, but I wouldn't expect heavy support for the near future.
SinCityAssassin
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That said I like how almost no one thought to refer to that tweet until the moment it fit their narrative of what they think the Switch will be. it's almost a week old.
Skittzo0413
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Especially without reading the rest of them, where she just says she expects a lot of Japanese/indie games. Not that there will be no western games, just more Japanese games.
BronzeWolf
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The Doom and Gloom is honestly the worst part of being a Nintendo fan
SinCityAssassin
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Y'all getting worked up the past two days. Live a little.
Y'all getting worked up the past two days. Live a little.
AquaWateria
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It's the suffering we must carry.
James Scott
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Even if Emily could see into the future knowing the line up of every western 3rd party, are there really many in the position that care that much over multiplatform games but don't have a multiplatform system like PS4 or PC?
Seems a bit weird, don't remember people losing it over 3DS not getting games like CoD since it got a ton of exclusives. I'm guessing this will be the same if not a bit better
Seems a bit weird, don't remember people losing it over 3DS not getting games like CoD since it got a ton of exclusives. I'm guessing this will be the same if not a bit better
Right. As Mpl said I believe those are long run expectations rather than a comment on what's coming at launch specifically.
Edit: I see this was now officially clarified. Thanks Mpl!
AquaWateria
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It isn't a Nintendo thread if people don't jump to conclusions.
SinCityAssassin
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Take note. Gaf was shitting on her when she doled out legitimate information regarding NX info, but the moment she lets out her own conjecture that could be spun as negative you all immediately took it as gospel.
Skittzo0413
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Still have what, 72 days to go? This is gonna be a long ride...
We need Nintendo to release new vague teasers every day until then, or else we're gonna go crazy.
I do have a nice PC, but any AAA games I'm interested would be SO much more attractive on the Switch. I'd be thrilled to have games like DS3 and Skyrim (and TESVI whenever it comes) on a handheld console, as it's just so much easier to pick up and play than a PC, or frankly (for me) any typical console.
Starchasing
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I think this will change because some companies are smart enought to recognize that younger people are giving up on TV and prefer mobilty.
Its a trend that the younger a person is the more content they watch on other screens than TV.
AquaWateria
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I honestly believe it's easier for people to look at the negativity as gospel when it comes to Nintendo.
Its something we just have to accept.
Edit: Also why did MuchoMalo get banned?
Just piggybacking off of Skittzo's post above regarding the potential success of ports due to portability, one thing thats interesting to consider is whether Switch could get Western third party ports because of this even if such ports don't do immensely well on Switch in the West. I'm mentioning this because we've seen some Western games do remarkably well in JP this and last generation, so why not bring them to the Switch on the basis of hoping for success in that market alone if need be?
Dark Cloud
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I think it's very intriguing. Idc if Skyrim is old. It's still Bethesda supporting Nintendo with one of their main franchise titles and that's big. Maybe they really think the portable aspect can sell the NS?
I think it will sell good. I'm hoping to see more big new IPs from Nintendo.
Skittzo0413
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Yeah that's part of why I think we'll see a LOT of support around launch. Developers are going to want to gauge how their games do for both A) a handheld audience and B) the Japanese audience, assuming the Switch takes off there.
People still are forgetting that the PS4 is doing very poorly in Japan. If the Switch matches PS4 sales in Japan rather quickly, I can see the third party support sticking around for quite a while.
DeuceGamer
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Exactly. Plus it should have the full support of Nintendo.
We can probably also expect some level of support from Ubisoft, Warner Bros (at least LEGO games), and Activision. From Japan we should have some level of support from the following Level 5, Atlus, Marvelous, XSeed, Namco Bandais, Tecmo Koie, Sega, Calvin, Platinum, etc...
Even 3DS got some Need for Speed, Madden, and Fifa titles.
Starchasing
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The key here is that 3rd parties are going to do scalable engines to be able to develop for the ps4 and the ps4 pro. That makes even easier to make games for the switch. If you to this you add the trend of mobility Nintendo may have a hit on their hands,
BronzeWolf
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People forget that the Opportunity Cost of launching a Switch game will be lower than ever.
The potential to reach that 3DS market without investing heavily in new tools and development is bigger.
The potential to reach that 3DS market without investing heavily in new tools and development is bigger.
Dark Cloud
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The best thing to happen to Nintendo is the PS4 Pro and Scorpio are not next gen systems. Devs games have to work for PS4 and X1.
That's not to say Nintendo won't have upgradeable docks, tablets or SCD's, but it's good news that devs are required to develop for PS4 and X1 for a couple more years atleast.
That's not to say Nintendo won't have upgradeable docks, tablets or SCD's, but it's good news that devs are required to develop for PS4 and X1 for a couple more years atleast.
Wouldn't have been nice to let the western third parties announce their Switch games on their own schedule? As anyhow the Japanese conference in January isn't the best place for them and the main focus will be on 1st party and Japanese games.
I still can get behind embargoing third party announcements.
I still can get behind embargoing third party announcements.
Skittzo0413
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Yup!
These are two of the reasons why I'm very optimistic about third party support at this point. Obviously the Switch will need to sell well (better than the Wii U obviously, around 3DS numbers would be ideal) but if it does then we should see a lot more support than on previous consoles.
sir_kevith
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I don't really care about 3rd party support since I own other consoles. I just want 1st party games to be released on a better/regular schedule and be of higher quality.
TheDinoman
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If I had to be honest, I'm not really itching for most third party games at this point myself. I'm mostly interested in what Nintendo does these days. The only two third party titles that I'm anticipating at this point aren't even any big ass AAA games, just downloadable ones (Yooka-Laylee and Sonic Mania). I was just planning on buying them for PC on Steam, but I'll admit I'd also like to have them on Switch, especially Yooka-Laylee (it'd be pretty neat to play a N64 Rare-esque game on Nintendo hardware after all these years).
That being said, I hope Nintendo can get the most out of third party support just to ensure that this thing won't join the same grave with the Wii U.
That being said, I hope Nintendo can get the most out of third party support just to ensure that this thing won't join the same grave with the Wii U.
TheMoon
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No, Switch is DOA because the wind was blowing from the east today! It'll get nothing but N64 ports!
edit: yay my dumb post on a new page -.-