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[Oblivion]

I doubt it. It's been 22 years since Mario came out, 19 years since Zelda, 9 years since Pokemon and they're still 3 of the biggest names in the industry.

I reckon Mario and Zelda etc will be the Superman and Batman of the games industry. They'll be around forever, waxing and waning in importance, but always popular.

You're not wrong that Nintendo need other things too, but I can't see large numbers losing interest in those games you've listed. You can bet your ass if Nintendo went third party tomorrow, the likes of Mario and Zelda would still be some of the best selling games no matter what system. They're not going to go away.

Exactly. Hell, Mario Sunshine, probably the weakest Mario platformer is still the second best selling game on the GC.

I hope Nintendo loses more money so maybe that'll give them more of an incentive to finally get going on Mario 128.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

this is just sad... I don't understand how people can laugh at this.
This is like that once amazing athlete that has become a washed-out drunk. Just sad...

 

[UltraMarioMan]

Diablos is being scarcastic. I mean he has a Pikachu Pope avatar.

 

[GhaleonEB]

this is just sad... I don't understand how people can laugh at this.
This is like that once amazing athlete that has become a washed-out drunk. Just sad...

You must not have read beyond the first post. :lol

 

[miyuru]

At least Nintendo is making profit :lol Eat that, trolls!

 

[Satter]

"At least Nintendo is making profit Eat that, trolls!"

What the fuck good is that? Do you have stock in NCL? Do any of you have stock in NCL? While Nintendo gets rich off your money Mario is sticking his foot in your ass. Nintendo's attitude of "We'll give you what we want to give you, when we want to give it to you." has lost them many a loyal customer. As a gamer, I want games that I want when I want them. And if Sony and Microsoft want to roll over backwards, and loss millions to do it, then so be it. I could care less if someone goes out of business doing it. As long as there's a market, there will always be someone willing to come along and fulfill that need.

 

[Oblivion]

"At least Nintendo is making profit Eat that, trolls!"

What the fuck good is that? Do you have stock in NCL? Do any of you have stock in NCL? While Nintendo gets rich off your money Mario is sticking his foot in your ass. Nintendo's attitude of "We'll give you what we want to give you, when we want to give it to you." has lost them many a loyal customer. As a gamer, I want games that I want when I want them. And if Sony and Microsoft want to roll over backwards, and loss millions to do it, then so be it. I could care less if someone goes out of business to do it. As long as there's a market, there will always be someone will to come along a fulfill that need.

I agree with this for the most part. Nintendo really let a lot of people down this generation. At least they're trying to fix some mistakes, slowly but surely.

 

[temp]

"At least Nintendo is making profit Eat that, trolls!"

What the fuck good is that? Do you have stock in NCL? Do any of you have stock in NCL? While Nintendo gets rich off your money Mario is sticking his foot in your ass. Nintendo's attitude of "We'll give you what we want to give you, when we want to give it to you." has lost them many a loyal customer. As a gamer, I want games that I want when I want them. And if Sony and Microsoft want to roll over backwards, and loss millions to do it, then so be it. I could care less if someone goes out of business to do it. As long as there's a market, there will always be someone will to come along a fulfill that need.

Are you just repeating things you've heard? This is a thread about business.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Just read this topic at a glance so forgive me for not properly quoting or addressing some of you.

To the people who think: "without PokeMon & GameBoy Nintendo would be dead" *shut up*! Seriously, that's like saying: "if Sony didn't have the PlayStation brand they'd be dead", or: "if Microsoft didn't make Windows, they'd be dead", or even: "if Ford didn't make cars & trucks, they'd be dead". It's a retarded statement.

If Kellogg's didn't make cereal or Pop-Tarts they'd be DEAD. Sorry, had to say it.

Someone said that Sony had a coherant future strategy. I say they're counting their chickens before they hatch in some case. They're banking that the PlayStation brand is going to be enough to push HDTV, The Cell, their broadband network, PSP, UMD & BR. etc. Sony has done this alot in their past and it's them trying to force their standerds that's gotten them into trouble. Not saying that Sony is the only provider for stuff like HDTV and BR, but the point is their banking a little too much on it. It's nice of them to stay competitive like that to try to advance themselves for their consumers, but ultimatly when do they make money to cover it all...especially against a competitor like MS. Not saying they should cut back or give up, but if any one of those technologies (they're banking on pioneering) wanes...they're back into trouble.

The NDS vs PSP thing is never ending. But the points remain, alot of us thought that PSP would be doing alot better than it has. It could end up like the original PS where they capitalize on Nintendo's mistakes and later start really selling to the mainstream. Nintendo doesn't seem to be making obvious mistakes with the NDS though...especially in Japan with their line-up. There's problems with thinking that PSP will end up like the "PlayStation" of portables. They're selling it at a considerable loss and I don't know how they'll be able to lower costs enough in the near future to be able to stay competitivly priced with Nintendo. Their content is, too console like...which especially won't be good once the next generation starts, people who want console games will buy new consoles. The original didn't have those problems and Nintendo/Sega making mistakes with N64/Saturn only helped Sony.

I think the "big buzz" amoung retailers & gamers is the UMD movies, which really doesn't solidify the PSP as a game machine. And what is Sony gonna do when they have to push UMD's, DVD's & BR's at the same time...I think consumers/retailers will have problems with that.

Here's something else too. Nintendo has not really talked about the next GameBoy...in fact they're ramping up production of the GameBoy Micro as well as backing NDS with even more content. Say what you want, but the NDS is doing well selling over 5M of these portables at $150 against a competitor with bigger brand appeal and better graphics. In under a year the NDS is already more successfull (in sales/popularity) than the GCN was in it's first year that's for sure. Okay so GameBoy Micro is set to make a splash & NDS is doing well...and no word of the next GameBoy. Maybe for good reason. Maybe the Revolution's paradigm shift is it's portability. It's about the size of portable DVD player...imagine it with a nice LCD screen! Nintendo has stated that the clues to the Revolution are like puzzle peices. The controller, the system itself and a LCD would be like puzzle peices that (when fitted together) would create a uber-console/portable. One machine that fits with the portable movie market (since it plays DVD's), the next generation market and the portable market...all of which could be executed much better than the PSP.

 

[Particle Physicist]

nothing to do with profit but the stupid decisions that lead to the downfall. i'm telling you if it werent for pokemon and the GB nintendo would be dead RIGHT NOW.

thats great, if it werent for windows the xbox would be no more.

... who cares?

 

[Satter]

Are you just repeating things you've heard? This is a thread about business.

Then it's a stupid thread. A manufacturer's profit margin doesn't do jack for a consumer if they're not satifying that consumer.

If you enjoy Nintendo's games, then that's one thing. But if you're just cheering them on because they're making money, without even getting anything in return, then you're just a fucking Lemming.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Just to add I think Nintendo will capitalize in the near future on the following:
-being thrifty- works well with a poor economy
-appeals to kids- due to bad economy and the such, pregnancy has been on the rise
-nostalgia- one of the fastest growing things in movies & DVD's is the resurgence of old franchises & TV series'
-the nerd appeal- Nintendo has always had a way to appeal to nerds, and with the Napolean Dynamite-ization of young people today, I think that appeal fits

 

[Ulairi]

Just to add I think Nintendo will capitalize in the near future on the following:
-being thrifty- works well with a poor economy
-appeals to kids- due to bad economy and the such, pregnancy has been on the rise
-nostalgia- one of the fastest growing things in movies & DVD's is the resurgence of old franchises & TV series'
-the nerd appeal- Nintendo has always had a way to appeal to nerds, and with the Napolean Dynamite-ization of young people today, I think that appeal fits

ARe you talking about Japan or here? We are in the middle of a good economy and video games dont' seem to be effect by the state of the economy. People continue buy entertainment no matter how well the economy is doing.

 

[AniHawk]

Why, I believe Nintendo is doomed.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Then it's a stupid thread. A manufacturer's profit margin doesn't do jack for a consumer if they're not satifying that consumer.

If you enjoy Nintendo's games, then that's one thing. But if you're just cheering them on because they're making money, without even getting anything in return, then you're just a fucking Lemming.

hi. sometimes, older people like to discuss things that are a little more than just videogames. yes, its videogame related.. but its fun, on an intellectual

Spoiler

*snicker*

level.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

A lil' bit of both...mainly the U.S.

Not saying this as some end-all revelation...just as an observation. And say what you want about the economy, but it's poor...namely jobless claims are high. Anyways, you're right, people feel the need to be entertained, sometimes more durring a poor economy, but having a next generation machine that's "thrifty" and doesn't require $300+ and a new HDTV to fully enjoy would be greatly appreciated in someone at mine (and alot of other people's) level.

 

[temp]

Then it's a stupid thread. A manufacturer's profit margin doesn't do jack for a consumer if they're not satifying that consumer.

If you enjoy Nintendo's games, then that's one thing. But if you're just cheering them on because they're making money, without even getting anything in return, then you're just a fucking Lemming.

So you are just repeating things you've heard.

 

[Satter]

hi. sometimes, older people like to discuss things that are a little more than just videogames. yes, its videogame related.. but its fun, on an intellectual

Spoiler

*snicker*

level.

I do risk management, and hedge fund analysis for a living. I have financial models and drawdown tables coming out of my ass. Videogames are one of my hobbies. That's why I come to places like this. To talk about the games. However, speaking strictly in a business since, unless your financially vested in Nintendo, the arguement of saying who's making more money doesn't make a heap of sense.

*shrugs*

 

[Satter]

So you are just repeating things you've heard.

How is being a loyal Nintendo consumer once, getting a GC, and letting it sit on my table and collect dust because the competitors have better games on their consoles, something I've heard? 0_o

 

[heidern]

However, speaking strictly in a business since, unless your financially vested in Nintendo, the arguement of saying who's making more money doesn't make a heap of sense.

*shrugs*

Sega fans would very much disagree with you. The financial health of gaming companies helps determine their ability to perform in terms of investing in hardware and software and hence is wholly relevent to any gamer.

 

[radioheadrule83]

It is a stupid thread, I do apologise, but it's one that would have been posted by someone else eventually. Good job on the more comprehensive Reuters version of the article btw! Oh and thanks to whoever compared with the Sony numbers. It'd take huge balls to bet big money against Sony recouping their spends on PSP and PS3, but they do help illustrate that Nintendo is operating on a smaller scale of popularity (in home consoles), suffering PSPs bite into their nigh on 100% handheld marketshare, and still meeting with some/enough success.

An additional thank you to those pointing out the uneventful quarter these numbers cover, and to the guy who explained that operating profit is profit minus the cost of operations (with Nintendo set to launch two new consoles and a boat load of games for them within the next year).

I honestly expected that when I got home from work I'd be greeted by 20 pages of sensationalist bollocks with the same characters repeating themselves over and over again. I should have a little more faith in GAF. A little.

 

[temp]

How is being a loyal Nintendo consumer once, getting a GC, and letting it sit on my table and collect dust because the competitors have better games on their consoles, something I've heard? 0_o

This isn't a thread about games, it's about a company that makes games. There are other threads about games on the forum. "I wish Nintendo would make another Pilot Wings" doesn't really fit in here. So you saying these people shouldn't be talking about business in a business thread sounds to me like you've heard and maybe said that "it's not about the business, it's about the games" stuff before and were looking for an opening to post some pre-written reply.

 

[Particle Physicist]

I do risk management, and hedge fund analysis for a living. I have financial models and drawdown tables coming out of my ass. Videogames are one of my hobbies. That's why I come to places like this. To talk about the games. However, speaking strictly in a business since, unless your financially vested in Nintendo, the arguement of saying who's making more money doesn't make a heap of sense.

*shrugs*

Spoiler

i was joking

shh..

 

[Instigator]

Sega fans would very much disagree with you. The financial health of gaming companies helps determine their ability to perform in terms of investing in hardware and software and hence is wholly relevent to any gamer.

No, they disagree with you, Heidern.

Sega makes money now yet most of their current games aren't worth the dough. It's a paradox!

 

[Satter]

This isn't a thread about games, it's about a company that makes games. There are other threads about games on the forum. "I wish Nintendo would make another Pilot Wings" doesn't really fit in here. So you saying these people shouldn't be talking about business in a business thread sounds to me like you've heard and maybe said that "it's not about the business, it's about the games" stuff before and were looking for an opening to post some pre-written reply.

A "pre-written" reply? WTF? No, I actually have a life. I don't sit up in the middle of the night wondering how I can wow someone on a videogame message board with some sort of manifesto.

Look, there's nothing wrong at all with talking about business and a company's standings. However, there's one reason and one reason only why someone would make a thread like this. Profit is the only thing that rabid fanboys have to fall back on because they aimlessly follow a company, in this case Nintendo, and that company can do no wrong. Not taking into account that the profits, and market share, continue to shrink year after year.

Tell me something. What's going to happen if Nintendo's revenues go from the black to the red? Whatever will you do then?

If more people concentrated on the games I think a lot more videogames enthusiasts would be much happier.

 

[radioheadrule83]

A "pre-written" reply? WTF? No, I actually have a life. I don't sit up in the middle of the night wondering how I can wow someone on a videogame message board with some sort of manifesto.

Look, there's nothing wrong at all with talking about business and a company's standings. However, there's one reason and one reason only why someone would make a thread like this. Profit is the only thing that rabid fanboys have to fall back on because they aimlessly follow a company, in this case Nintendo, and that company can do no wrong. Not taking into account that the profits, and market share, continue to shrink year after year.

Tell me something. What's going to happen if Nintendo's revenues go from the black to the red? Whatever will you do then?

If more people concentrated on the games I think a lot more videogames enthusiasts would be much happier.

well at least you've finally revealed your perception on things. You believe that a non Nintendo fan would have shied away from posting this? Maybe you missed the multiple page thread posted by Sonycowboy recently comparing how much money these guys are making? If you don't wanna read it - don't. It's that simple.

Are you that new here? I know its odd - you don't see people posting WB results on film boards I guess -- but this is just one of the many kind of things that people always talk about on this board - If I hadn't of posted this, someone else would have: Nintendo fan or not. I think you should learn to deal with it.

 

[Satter]

ha, well at least you've finally revealed your perception on things. You believe that a non Nintendo fan would have shied away from posting this?

Are you that new here? I know its odd - you don't see people posting WB results on film boards I guess -- but this is just one of the many kind of things that people always talk about on this board - If I hadn't of posted this, someone else would have: Nintendo fan or not. I think you should learn to deal with it.

Oh, I've seen this type of arguement over and over and over and over and over again for a very long time. I think people just need to get over it. It gets old, no matter what team you root for.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Oh, I've seen this type of arguement over and over and over and over and over again for a very long time. I think people just need to get over it. It gets old.

Maybe it's not an argument at all, and the people who've said this to you before are actually trying to tell you something? I'm not having a debate with you, here's our last exchange in simplest terms:

Me: We like talking about these things; we'll talk about whatever the hell we wanna talk about.

You: Yes, I've heard this over and over and over and over and over again.


edit: In the event that we're getting our wires crossed here and what you actually mean is that sales / profit talk is getting old, then fair enough... and I don't want to seem rude here... but realistically do you expect it to just stop?

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

*Puts on a heavy metal CD*

WOOOO! DIE NINTENDO, DIE!

OK, don't die, but don't release another console. Save me $200-$300 bucks for games, please.

 

[heidern]

Sega makes money now yet most of their current games aren't worth the dough. It's a paradox!

That's because they already ran up huge debts, and hence no more Sega console hardware and a subsequent reduction, no subsequent collapse in the overall quality of their games.

Tell me something. What's going to happen if Nintendo's revenues go from the black to the red? Whatever will you do then?

Hope they don't go the way of Sega and drop out of hardware followed by a subsequent collapse in the quality of their games.

 

[temp]

A "pre-written" reply? WTF? No, I actually have a life. I don't sit up in the middle of the night wondering how I can wow someone on a videogame message board with some sort of manifesto.

Look, there's nothing wrong at all with talking about business and a company's standings. However, there's one reason and one reason only why someone would make a thread like this. Profit is the only thing that rabid fanboys have to fall back on because they aimlessly follow a company, in this case Nintendo, and that company can do no wrong. Not taking into account that the profits, and market share, continue to shrink year after year.

Tell me something. What's going to happen if Nintendo's revenues go from the black to the red? Whatever will you do then?

If more people concentrated on the games I think a lot more videogames enthusiasts would be much happier.

You took that prewritten reply thing way too literally. And I still think that's what happened here. You saw that people were talking about Nintendo doing well financially as a good thing and remembered a point that you (or someone else) made before without thinking about the actual context.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Tell me something. What's going to happen if Nintendo's revenues go from the black to the red? Whatever will you do then?

I don't think they can have a negative revenue

 

[Instigator]

no subsequent collapse in the overall quality of their games.

Again, many Sega fans would disagree with that.

 

[kIdMuScLe]

i always wonder how come the stockholders never force Nintendo to face the competition? or drop the stock value significantly when the Sony and M$ show off their next gen plans but Nintendo do squat? can someone explain that shit to me cuz i would think if Nintendo was an US company and they follow this same path they are now, i figure the US stockholders would whine, devalue the stock and make major changes to the board members and stuff.

 

[argon]

i always wonder how come the stockholders never force Nintendo to face the competition? or drop the stock value significantly when the Sony and M$ show off their next gen plans but Nintendo do squat? can someone explain that shit to me cuz i would think if Nintendo was an US company and they follow this same path they are now, i figure the US stockholders would whine, devalue the stock and make major changes to the board members and stuff.

Nintendo stockholders are making too much money to whine. They are one of the most consistently profitable, and efficiently run businesses in Japan.

 

[kIdMuScLe]

oh ok so when nintendo goes red for 4 consecutive quarters, there will be changes? Come on Revolution fail~!!!1











j/k

 

[Ulairi]

i always wonder how come the stockholders never force Nintendo to face the competition? or drop the stock value significantly when the Sony and M$ show off their next gen plans but Nintendo do squat? can someone explain that shit to me cuz i would think if Nintendo was an US company and they follow this same path they are now, i figure the US stockholders would whine, devalue the stock and make major changes to the board members and stuff.

Because unlike message board posters, stockholders are not in the penis contest.

 

[Version 3.0]

You know what sucks about all this "Nintendo is DOOMED" bullshit? The fact that it can never be disproved. It's been going on since Sonic. If, in 25 years, Nintendo goes bankrupt, you can expect hordes of middle-aged fanboys yelling "I TOLD YOU SO!". But what do you get if you're on the other side of the argument? When I'm on my deathbed in (hopefully) 50+ years, I could wheeze out "Nintendo's still not dead...I told you so..." as my last words and some reject would spray-paint on my tombstone "not dead YET".

 

[koam]

You know what sucks about all this "Nintendo is DOOMED" bullshit? The fact that it can never be disproved. It's been going on since Sonic. If, in 25 years, Nintendo goes bankrupt, you can expect hordes of middle-aged fanboys yelling "I TOLD YOU SO!". But what do you get if you're on the other side of the argument? When I'm on my deathbed in (hopefully) 50+ years, I could wheeze out "Nintendo's still not dead...I told you so..." as my last words and some reject would spray-paint on my tombstone "not dead YET".

Simple, just make sure you outlive everyone from GAF who hates Nintendo.

 

[Tellaerin]

Learn to read, finish high school, take an economics and accounting course in college. We don't need thirty five year old taco bell employees talking about how Nintendo stays in or out of business.

Unless they're declaring that Nintendo's going to be dominate the market when Rev goes on sale, or that Sony's going to be forced out of business soon. Then the opinions of those 'thirty five year old Taco Bell employees' are received with open arms, regardless of the poster's (lack of) credentials.

GAF's packed to the gills with armchair analysts and amateur economists. To be frank, the college-educated ones generally aren't much more insightful than the so-called 'Taco Bell employees'. This is because regardless of their background, the majority of the posters here will go through any new data looking for any facts they can use to support their pet arguments, rather than looking at that information objectively and seeing what conclusions can be drawn from it. Calling someone out over their supposed lack of credentials in what amounts to a thinly-disguised fanboy shouting match (which is what most of these financial threads end up as) strikes me as a little pointless.

 

[mj1108]

Nintendo stockholders are making too much money to whine. They are one of the most consistently profitable, and efficiently run businesses in Japan.

Don't worry, those who think otherwise (in their own little fantasy world) will make sure to not read your post or "pretend" to not have seen it.

 

[miyuru]

Oh, I've seen this type of arguement over and over and over and over and over again for a very long time. I think people just need to get over it. It gets old, no matter what team you root for.

:lol would you stop trolling this thread

All you're doing is derailing it. Let me give you some advice - if you're not down with the topic of discussion of a thread (assuming you can figure out what it is - try the thread title...), don't come in trolling everyone participating in the thread as to why what they're discussing is stupid, etc..

If you have something productive towards whatever the debate may be, post it. But if not, just ignore the thread.

 

[Shard]

The basic bottom line is that it wasn't a very good quarter to any of the console makers.

 

[Lemurnator]

These threads make me hate this forum, all the users here, and video games in general.

Fuck, who cares.

 

[Lemurnator]

Oh yeah, and go sony. One console future. No Holograms no sale. Bail Out.

 

[jarrod]

Sounds to me like they're selling the DS Hardware at a loss.

They're definitely making a profit on each DS sold (estimated manufacturing per unit being $95-$105 in late 2004) but they're not making the insane margins they were on GBA (estimated manufacturing per unit being $35-$45 in early 2001)

Genesis(GBA) = profit
Playstation(PSP) = incoming competition!
Saturn(DS) = quickly thrown together machine to hold off said incoming competition. Machine fails to gain any signifigant market share.
Dreamcast(GBA2) = having alienated your entire fanbase, you are unable to attract any potential buyers because you've released too much hardware too fast, confusing all your old fans who simply said, "Fuck it! I'm just gonna get a Sony! At least there's only ONE!"

GAME OVER

So where's Sega CD, 32X, Pico and Nomad?

Keep in mind, it wasn't that long ago that Sega had a net yearly profit of $230 Million.

But never due to consoles. Sega's consumer side has never been able to make a return on their investment iirc, even in the booming MD/Genesis days.... unlike Nintendo, who has yet to lose money on a console.

They wouldn't be dead, but they would have little to no profitability. The level of sales that the Gamecube has and the revenue derived from it's games would NOT be enough to cover the operating overhead, production, and development costs that Nintendo incurs.

The problem with these sorts of speculative scenarios is that they never take into account the massive resources put into making the Pokemon and Game Boy brands monster successes. Rescources which had they been redirected at Nintendo's console line, might've had significant impact on that business.

Even so though, I'm not sure you can really make the claim you are. Every report we've heard from Nintendo indicates they make a return off their GameCube business and at it's height (2002-2003) accounted for roughly half their entire income. Seems unlikely that GBA/Pokemon had "subsidized" the console really given that.

Oh, but its occurence grows increasingly likely. Nintendo has grown complacent, preferring to leech off the faithful rather than introducing ideas that will expand their userbase. They can make as much money as they want - which is FINE - comfortably nestled in the niche they've carved for themselves, but the industry will move forward, leaving them behind to churn out 'touch me, kirby!' and every other insipid hack job that their reliable franchises allow for.

Quite the opposite actually. Nintendo's the only games hardware maker looking to expand their base with new consumers rather than try and leech off the casual PlayStation empire (as PSP and Xbox/360 are trying so hard to do). Nintendo DS and titles like Nintendogs, Brain Training and Electroplankton are really a testament to that, and even now are showing early signs of success.

They already did all the R&D when they did the console version, so I wouldn't expect the giant delays that plagued GT4 on the PS2. Polyphony may very well be poised to produce a surprise...

GTmobile is not longer based off GT4, rather it's going to be it's own game entirely. I wouldn't expect it for a very long time given the number of projects Polyphony Digital is juggling currently (GTmobile, GT for Boys, Vision GT).

Damn, looks like Sony is going to really start pushing the PSP again in September. Its almost like a re-launch. Perhaps they will have the non-value pack on sale for $199 at that time. I think PSPs are going to fly off the shelves this Xmas.

Here's the "real" handheld lineups for the rest of 2005 so far...

PSP
08.09 Namco Museum Battle Collection (Namco)
08.16 Death, Jr. (Konami)

09.01 World Poker Tour 2K6 (2K Games)
09.12 Frantix (Sony Online Entertainment)
09.13 World Series of Poker (Activision)
09.13 MediEvil Resurrection (SCEA)
09.19 Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (Bandai Games)
09.19 GripShift (Sony Online Entertainment)
09.20 Madden NFL 06 (Electronic Arts)
09.26 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 (Electronic Arts)
09.27 Frogger: Helmet Chaos (Konami)
09.27 Popolo Crois (Agetec)
09.27 Sniper Elite (Namco)

10.01 Ys: The Ark of Napishtim (Konami)
10.03 MX vs ATV Unleashed (THQ)
10.04 Virtua Tennis: World Tour (SEGA)
10.06 Gretzky NHL 2006 (SCEA)
10.11 FIFA Soccer 06 (Electronic Arts)
10.11 Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects (Electronic Arts)
10.11 X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse (Activision)
10.18 Bounty Hounds (Namco)
10.18 Burnout Legends (Electronic Arts)
10.18 Crash Tag Team Racing (VU Games)
10.18 Greg Hasting's Painball Max'd 06 (Activision)
10.18 The Con (SCEA)
10.24 Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (Rockstar Games)
10.24 SSX On Tour (Electronic Arts)
10.25 AC Formula Front (Agetec)
10.25 Infected (Majesco Games)
10.31 Stacked with Daniel Negreanu (Meylin Media)
10.31 Star Wars: Battlefront II (Lucasarts

11.01 Disney Presents a Pixar Film: The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer (THQ)
11.01 Free Running (Eidos)
11.01 Gun (Activision)
11.01 James Bond: From Russia with Love (Electronic Arts)
11.01 Payout Poker and Casino (Namco)
11.01 Spongebob Squarepants: The Yellow Avenger (THQ)
11.01 Tokobot (Tecmo)
11.01 Virtua Pool (SEGA)
11.08 The Lord of the Rings: Tactics (Electronic Arts)
11.14 Midway Arcade Treasures: Ultimate Classics (Midway)
11.14 WWE Smackdown Vs Raw 2006 (THQ)
11.15 Ape Escape Academy (SCEA)
11.15 Battlefield 2: Modern Combat (Electronic Arts)
11.15 Daxter (SCEA)
11.15 F1 Grand Prix (SCEA)
11.15 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (Electronic Arts)
11.15 Kingdom of Paradise (SCEA)
11.15 Metal Gear Ac!d 2 (Konami)
11.15 Monster Hunter Portable (Capcom)
11.15 NBA 2006 (SCEA)
11.15 NBA Live 06 (Electronic Arts)
11.15 Neopets Petpet Adventure: The Wand of Wishing (SCEA)
11.15 Pursuit Force (SCEA)
11.15 SOCOM U.S. Navy SEALs: Fireteam Bravo (SCEA)
11.15 Street Fighter Alpha 3 Upper (Capcom)
11.15 The Apprentice (Legacy Interactive)
11.15 The Sims 2 (Electronic Arts)
11.15 Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble (Capcom)
11.15 WRC (SCEA)
11.15 Xyanide (Playlogic International)
11.21 Need for Speed: Most Wanted (Electronic Arts)
11.28 Guilty Gear Judgment (Majesco Games)

12.01 Prince of Persia: Kindred Blades (Ubisoft)
12.05 Mortal Kombat: Deception (Midway)
12.06 Pac-Man World 3 (Namco)



Nintendo DS
08.08 Madden NFL 06 (Electronic Arts)
08.22 Advance Wars: Dual Strike (Nintendo)
08.22 Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends (Nintendo)
08.22 Nintendogs: Dachshund and Friends (Nintendo)
08.22 Nintendogs: Lab and Friends (Nintendo)
08.23 Pac'n Roll (Namco)
08.30 Yu-Gi-OH! Nightmare Troubadour (Konami)

09.09 Animaniacs: Lights, Camera, Action (Ignition Entertainment)
09.15 Scurge: Hive (Orbital Media)
09.19 Tak 3: The Great Juju Challenge (THQ)
09.20 Dig-Dug: Digging Strike (Namco)
09.20 Lunar: Dragon Song (Ubisoft)
09.20 Wac-A-Mole (Activision)
09.20 Zoo Tycoon DS (THQ)
09.26 Trace Memory (Nintendo)
09.26 Ultimate Spider-Man (Activision)
09.27 Frogger: Helmet Chaos (Konami)
09.27 Lost in Blue (Konami)

10.03 Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble (Capcom)
10.04 Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow (Konami)
10.04 FIFA Soccer 06 (Electronic Arts)
10.15 SBK: Snowboard Kids (Atlus)
10.17 Metroid Prime: Hunters (Nintendo)
10.18 ATV: Quad Frenzy (Majesco Games)
10.18 Crash Tag Team Racing (VU Games)
10.18 Greg Hasting's Painball Max'd 06 (Activision)
10.18 Spyro Shadow Legacy (VU Games)
10.18 Texas Hold 'Em Poker (Majesco Games)
10.18 Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (Activision)
10.20 A Boy and His Blob (Majesco Games)
10.24 Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects (Electronic Arts)

11.01 Disney Presents a Pixar Film: The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer (THQ)
11.01 Need for Speed Most Wanted (Electronic Arts)
11.01 SeaWorld Theme Park: Shamu's Big Adventure (Activision)
11.01 Shrek SuperSlam (Activision)
11.01 Spongebob Squarepants: The Yellow Avenger (THQ)
11.07 Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
11.08 Disney's Kim Possible: Kimmunicator (Disney Interactive)
11.08 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (Electronic Arts)
11.08 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3: Mutant Nightmare (Konami)
11.08 The Sims 2 (Electronic Arts)
11.08 Ultimate Card Games (Telegames)
11.14 Black & White Creatures (Majesco Games)
11.14 Bust-A-Move DS (Majesco Games)
11.14 Electroplankton (Nintendo)
11.14 Metroid Prime: Pinball (Nintendo)
11.15 Burnout Legends (Electronic Arts)
11.15 Disney's Lizzy McGuire & That's So Raven (Disney Interactive)
11.15 Golden Nugget Casino DS (Majesco Games)
11.15 Peter Jackson's King Kong (Ubisoft)
11.15 Mega Man Battle Network 5: Double Team (Capcom)
11.15 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (Capcom)
11.15 Real Time Conflict: Shogun Empires (Namco)
11.15 Sonic Rush (SEGA)
11.15 Super Pac-Man Pinball (Namco)
11.15 The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe (VU Games)
11.15 Top Spin 2 (2K Games)
11.15 Touch Golf (Nintendo)
11.15 Trauma Center: Under the Knife (Atlus)
11.21 Animal Crossing DS (Nintendo)
11.21 Mario & Luigi 2 (Nintendo)
11.22 Dragon Ball Z: Super Sonic Warriors 2 (Atari)
11.24 Guilty Gear Dust Strikers (Majesco Games)

12.01 Battles of Prince of Persia (Ubisoft)
12.06 Ultimate Brain Games (Telegames)



Game Boy Advance
08.02 Shaman King: Master of Spirits 2 (Konami)
08.08 Madden NFL 06 (Electronic Arts)
08.09 Dragon Ball GT: Transformation (Atari)
08.15 Board Game Classics (DSI Games)
08.15 Centipede / Breakout / Warlords (DSI Games)
08.15 Connect Four / Perfection / Trouble (DSI Games)
08.15 Disney's Lizzie McGuire 3: Homecoming Havoc (Disney Interactive)
08.15 Millipede / Super Breakout / Lunar Lander (DSI Games)
08.15 Paperboy / Rampage (DSI Games)
08.15 Pong / Asteroids / Yar's Revenge (DSI Games)
08.15 Risk / Battleship / Clue (DSI Games)
08.15 Sorry! / Aggravation / Scrabble Junior (DSI Games)
08.16 Gauntlet / Rampart (DSI Games)
08.16 Marble Madness / Klax (DSI Games)
08.16 Sigma Star Saga (Namco)
08.16 Spy Hunter / Super Sprint (DSI Games)
08.23 Kids Cards (Majesco Games)
08.25 Juka and the Monophonic Menace (Orbital Media)
08.29 Dynasty Warriors Advance (Nintendo)
08.30 Namco Museum: 50th Anniversary Arcade Collection (Namco)
08.30 Shrek 2/Shark Tale (Activision)
08.30 Spider-Man/Spider-Man 2 (Activision)
08.30 Spider-Man: Mysterio's Menace/X2: X-Men United (Activision)

09.01 Let's Ride: Sunshine Stables (Activision)
09.05 Animaniacs: Lights, Camera, Action (Ignition Entertainment)
09.06 Danny Phantom: The Ultimate Enemy (THQ)
09.06 Power Rangers: Space Patrol Delta (THQ)
09.06 Rebelstar: Tactical Command (Namco)
09.06 Rayman 10th Anniversary Pack (Ubisoft)
09.06 Shonen Jump's One Piece (Bandai Games)
09.09 World Poker Tour 2K6 (2K Games)
09.12 Disney's Cinderella: Magical Dreams (Disney Interactive)
09.12 Scooby-Doo! Unmasked (THQ)
09.13 Crash & Spyro Vol. 1 (VU Games)
09.13 LEGO Bionicle: Maze of Shadow (THQ)
09.15 Scurge: Hive (Orbital Media)
09.19 DK: King of Swing (Nintendo)
09.20 Backyard Football 06 (Atari)
09.20 Hot Wheels Velocity X/Hot Wheels World Race (THQ)
09.26 Ultimate Spider-Man (Activision)

10.03 Backyard Skateboarding (Atari)
10.03 DRIV3R (Atari)
10.03 Hello Kitty: Happy Party Pals (Activision)
10.10 Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas: The Pumpkin King (Disney Interactive)
10.11 FIFA Soccer 06 (Electronic Arts)
10.11 Teen Titans (Majesco Games)
10.17 Disney's Chicken Little: Deep Dive (Disney Interactive)
10.17 Ed, Edd n Eddy: The Mis-Edventures (Midway)
10.17 Mario Tennis Advance (Nintendo)
10.18 Greg Hasting's Painball Max'd 06 (Activision)
10.18 Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (Activision)
10.18 Ty the Tasmanian Tiger: Night of the Quinkan (Activision)
10.19 Kong: King of Atlantis (Majesco Games)
10.24 Zatch Bell (Bandai Games)
10.25 Gunstar Super Heroes (SEGA)
10.25 Madagascar Penguins (Activision)

11.01 Disney Presents a Pixar Film: The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer (THQ)
11.01 Need for Speed Most Wanted (Electronic Arts)
11.01 SeaWorld Theme Park: Shamu's Big Adventure (Activision)
11.01 Shrek SuperSlam (Activision)
11.01 Spongebob Squarepants: Lights, Camera, Pants! (THQ)
11.01 Ultimate Pocket Games (Telegames)
11.07 Disney's Proud Family (Disney Interactive)
11.08 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (Electronic Arts)
11.08 The Sims 2 (Electronic Arts)
11.14 Donkey Kong Country 3 (Nintendo)
11.14 Trollz: Hair Affair (Ubisoft)
11.14 Winx Club (Konami)
11.15 Atomic Betty (Namco)
11.15 Dragon Ball GT: Transformation 2 (Atari)
11.15 Gumby vs. the Astrobots (Namco)
11.15 It's Mr. Pants (THQ)
11.15 Mega Man Zero 4 (Capcom)
11.15 Peter Jackson's King Kong (Ubisoft)
11.15 Prince of Persia: Kindred Blades (Ubisoft)
11.15 Screw Breaker (Nintendo)
11.15 The Berenstain Bears and the Spooky Old Tree (Namco)
11.15 The Bible Game (Crave Entertainment)
11.15 The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe (VU Games)
11.15 Top Spin 2 (2K Games)
11.15 Ultimate Arcade Games (Telegames)
11.15 Zathura (2K Games)

12.15 Metal Slug 1: Super Vehicle (SNK Playmore)



N-Gage
08.15 The Roots: Gates of Chaos (Nokia Games)
08.15 WWE Aftershock (THQ Mobile)
08.15 Xanadu Next (Nokia Games)
08.16 Glimmerati (Nokia Games)

09.19 Rifts: Promise of Power (Nokia Games)


...there's obviously some placeholders and all four will probably fill out a little bit though. Well, maybe not N-Gage.

 

[Jonnyram]

I don't really want to argue either for or against Nintendo in this thread, because my opinion will be wrong as far as some group is concerned. However I will say this... thank fuck Nintendo released the DS before the GC totally died out. If they hadn't had the DS for the first half of this year, they would have been royally screwed.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I don't really want to argue either for or against Nintendo in this thread, because my opinion will be wrong as far as some group is concerned. However I will say this... thank fuck Nintendo released the DS before the GC totally died out. If they hadn't had the DS for the first half of this year, they would have been royally screwed.

Nobody in this thread is wrong or right. It's all speculation on the future as far as Nintendo goes.

But I don't think Nintendo would have been screwed with or without the DS. If they hadn't released the DS, people would have continued to buy up the GBA, and half of those upcoming DS titles would have been GBA games anyway. As for Gamecube, well, it has been slim pickings for a few months now, but things are picking up a bit in time for the holiday season.

 

[Zer0]

Not quite. They offered a superior systems all with new games I would want to play. Only one s questionable are the Game Boy Pocket and GBA SP for offering nothing more than a redone console.

While Sony on the other hand finds it necesary to ship PS2 systems that break down after a few years of use because of cheap parts and finds it right to charge people $80 to have it fixed. Things like this make me afraid to jump into a console at launch now. It is foolish to feel this way.

Nintendo on the other hand, quality and great customer service is a sure thing. You have n o fear of spending $300-400 on a console an having it shit the bed.

30 years of gaming buying overpriced games from nintendo tell me another thing

 

[Kano]

Because unlike message board posters, stockholders are not in the penis contest.

You mean, unlike gamers, stockholders are not in the penis contest, right? I mean, let's be real. Nintendo has absolutely no respect for their contingent. If they did, they'd actually try to lure back the millions who've decided to spend their money elsewhere. Yeah, they're raking in the money, but what about artistic integrity? Do they even care anymore?