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Nintendo - the price of competition - 78.5% decrease in operating profits
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John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
10.18 Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (Activision)
Does this mean the DS goes online mid October?
Edit:
Which pisses me off, because
10.17 Metroid Prime: Hunters (Nintendo)
Hunters comes out the same day??
And that can't be online too?
That game had to have a large amount of dev time in advance of Tony Hawk, and Tony Hawk is going to launch with the Online Services, and Hunters can't be a part of it??
Err, what a pain....
Does this mean the DS goes online mid October?
Edit:
Which pisses me off, because
10.17 Metroid Prime: Hunters (Nintendo)
Hunters comes out the same day??
And that can't be online too?
That game had to have a large amount of dev time in advance of Tony Hawk, and Tony Hawk is going to launch with the Online Services, and Hunters can't be a part of it??
Err, what a pain....
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Lemurnator said:
then leave.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Kano said:
i dont get this question. people complain that nintendo doesnt give the public what they want. what kind of artistic integrity would it be if they comepletely commercialized their games in order to give in to the lowest common denominator?
and you do realize that they have to survive as a company somehow. playing the same game as the bigboys (sony and ms) will not work. they have endless pockets and other markets to fall back on. nintendo doesnt . at least not at this time. i believe thats why they are trying to get into anime.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Satter said:
...aristic integrity?
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
It's a typing mistake. Nicely avoided though on the whole looking stupid thing, I don't think anyone noticed you didn't answer.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Oh ok. I guess I just didn't understand that when asked:
and you replied:
that wasn't stupid.
and you replied:
that wasn't stupid.
quadriplegicjon said:
No one is asking them to commercialize their games. Just offer something original. Stop milking these tired franchises that should have put to rest a long time ago. Mario..Zelda..come on. Introduce some new ideas. Stop taking their base for granted. The reason that an inexperienced upstart like Microsoft has even been able to edge Nintendo ever so slightly, is because Nintendo has grown lazy off their revenue. They no longer care to exert any energy in actually designing compelling games. Take some of that money, invest in cutting edge technology, and give developers a reason to want to return to their fold.
What some people want is for Nintendo not to make Nintendo games but to make the same gritty, action/adventure games, with main characters that are mad at their dads, and that rock out to a metal soundtrack.
Many people need to see what games Nintendo makes and if they odn't like them then don't buy them.
Many people need to see what games Nintendo makes and if they odn't like them then don't buy them.
SonicMegaDrive
Member
MarkMacD said:
Not to the extent of the PS2, but it does have 3rd party support. It may not be what we want, but it's a lot better than it was on the N64, for sure.
I just finished Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. A pretty good third party GC title.
radioheadrule83
Banned
The Gamecube has had WELL over twice the third party software released for it that the N64 had. And the perception that third party software does badly on the platform or isn't worth the release isn't always right either.
Nintendo need to tighten up and get the Western devs more on board. They've got lots of great Japanese support to supplement their own stuff, but they need a little bit more of the kind of thing MS have been getting imo.
Nintendo need to tighten up and get the Western devs more on board. They've got lots of great Japanese support to supplement their own stuff, but they need a little bit more of the kind of thing MS have been getting imo.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Yep they cost half as much, in new packaging, playable for the first time in portable form. You can't really buy them in any other form today and find them boxed and in reliable working condition for the same price - for hardware that is now two decades old. To the people who really love the games - that's worth it - who are you to judge them dumbasses?
Some of them are games that hold up well today versus other GBA titles -- the GBA although playing host to some amazing games, also boasts a library as saturated with crap as any other platform in existence... probably more saturated even. Why not repackage the good games of yesterday for a new generation? Another company wouldn't have done it if they could? Oh wait they do. Other companies have had GBA re-releases and collections. Atari, SEGA and Namco spring to mind. The former two have their own (plug straight into the TV) Retro hardware. There's nothing wrong with somebody that likes this stuff enough to buy it.
Some of them are games that hold up well today versus other GBA titles -- the GBA although playing host to some amazing games, also boasts a library as saturated with crap as any other platform in existence... probably more saturated even. Why not repackage the good games of yesterday for a new generation? Another company wouldn't have done it if they could? Oh wait they do. Other companies have had GBA re-releases and collections. Atari, SEGA and Namco spring to mind. The former two have their own (plug straight into the TV) Retro hardware. There's nothing wrong with somebody that likes this stuff enough to buy it.
jarrod said:
When a game is "good enough"? It's an almost exact copy of an old game. It doesn't matter how good it is you shouldn't have to pay full price for something you played years ago. Who's the dumbass now?
You see, with that attitude Nintendo will be around a good long time giving you the same games that came out years ago, and you'll be more than happy to bend over and take it right up the ass.
Happy gaming!
I already said that you pay half as much, not full price.Satter said:When a game is "good enough"? It's an almost exact copy of an old game. It doesn't matter how good it is you shouldn't have to pay full price for something you played years ago. Who's the dumbass now?
You see, with that attitude Nintendo will be around a good long time giving you the same games that came out years ago, and you'll be more than happy to bend over and take it right up the ass.
Happy gaming!
On top of that, the amount of games Nintendo is porting is only moderate (in contrary to popular believe at GAF) compared to the amount of games they keep developing and releasing. For example, Nintendo might have ported a crapload of NES/SNES games to the GBA, but that definately doesn't mean they didn't come up with new stuff on the GBA.
I think it's rather clear who's the "dumbass" here. Hint: it's the guy making snide remarkes, calling others names, continually evading any clairifications and generally wasting a lot of time being backed into a corner a deserate Nintendo basher. Enjoy your stay junior.Satter said:When a game is "good enough"? It's an almost exact copy of an old game. It doesn't matter how good it is you shouldn't have to pay full price for something you played years ago. Who's the dumbass now?
You see, with that attitude Nintendo will be around a good long time giving you the same games that came out years ago, and you'll be more than happy to bend over and take it right up the ass.
Happy gaming!
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Everyone knows Nintendo didn't turn a profit until they ported old games to newer systems.
I'm with satter!
I'm with satter!
sexually. His arguments suck
Mama Smurf said:
This is exactly why fanboys keep going back to the "At least Nintendo is making a profit arguement." Nevermind that it's games have lost some of their luster, that you can't get the level of variety or quality of games on their home console that is on the competitions, the only place to find that level of quality and quantity only on their Gameboy line, and that each year they continue to loss market and mindshare. "Oh, but they still make at profit. And why that makes me happy, I have no clue. But Yay!!"
jarrod said:
in europe in a lot of cases much more,also i have buyed new psp games on usa for 37 dollars
paying 40 euros for a snes game ( the same EXACT game) is a robbery,at least on psp u are paying for games akind of this generation not games 12 years old
what its the cost of a snes port to gBA? a
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Satter said:
Shhh shhhh, it's ok, I still love you.
Maybe it's "Nintendo makes games I love, if they stay profitable then they can carry on making games I love so it makes me happy"?
No no, you're probably right, it's "Nintendo's games aren't as good as they used to be, but hey, they're profitable, so I ain't going elsewhere!"
Yeah, that'll be it! It really makes sense!
You;re the best Satter, I'm going to write a love poem for you.
None of Nintendo's own SNES ports were direct ports, all have some level of added content or redone visuals/audio (except Mother 1+2, but then that's a collection of 2 games). The costs go mainly into the media (actual development is dirt cheap)... an 8MB GBA cart costs about $5 and retails from $19.99 to $29.99 while a PSP UMD costs under $1 to manufacture and retails for $39.99 to $49.99. So basically, PSP games cost a fifth what GBA games do to manufacture, but are priced nearly twice as much. to be fair though, PSP games cost a whole lot more to develop generally.Zer0 said:
PSP is home to plenty of near decade old 32bit games... Ape Escape, Tales of Eternia, MegaMan Legends, Breath of Fire III, Princess Crown, Tengai Makyo 4th Revelation.... there's actually a pretty shocking amount of direct PSone/Saturn ports.
Kano said:
Gonna have to disagree a bit. I'd rather they use most of their power and resources to make AAA titles like in the N64 days. New titles are good as well, but fuck, I'd gladly shell out $50 without a second thought if they would give me a real Mario 64 or Ocarina followup.
And who gives a shit if Nintendo has more third party support right now? They hardly have any real games that you can't get on another system with a helluva lot more features as well. I'd rather Nintendo get their creativity back then have some half assed 2 hour games combined with a couple inferior third party ports.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
How I love my dear Satter,
Though he's lacking in grey matter,
For you see his love pole's fatter,
And makes such a wonderful splatter,
That my thoughts just simply scatter,
Inane comments soon do shatter,
And reform as a heeeaarrrtt.
Though he's lacking in grey matter,
For you see his love pole's fatter,
And makes such a wonderful splatter,
That my thoughts just simply scatter,
Inane comments soon do shatter,
And reform as a heeeaarrrtt.
UltraMarioMan
Member
By your logic any series that was on the NES are "tired fraochises". Such series as Final Fantasy or Castlevania Dragon Quest too. Heck if every company dropped a series after it became "tired" there would be no RE4! A world without RE4 is a dark scary world I don't want to imagine. And just for the record....ZELDA FOREVER WOOOOOOO!Kano said: