Nintendo's Answer to PSP's multimedia ability...
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I don't think you understood...
Developers originally questioned SCE's plans for the PSP because of it's other multimedia functions and what direction they wanted to go in. Some even sited the DS as being a machine that was simply meant for games. With Nintendo doing this combined with the price of the PSP I wonder how some developers will respond is all.
Developers originally questioned SCE's plans for the PSP because of it's other multimedia functions and what direction they wanted to go in. Some even sited the DS as being a machine that was simply meant for games. With Nintendo doing this combined with the price of the PSP I wonder how some developers will respond is all.
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gofreak said:
Making it an add-on because the system was already released, and announcing it right after the PSP came out, are NOT good things. If their focus remained solely on games they would not have made such a device at all.
I see this as damage control that will do more damage than control.
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Society, GBA Video doesn't need any add-on to play.
G4life98 said:
Yeah, I was wondering too about the possibility of software hacks through a SD card to allow homebrew apps to be run. It could open up a lot of potential, if possible. But I don't know how likely that is at all.
Galian Beast said:
I disagree. What damage can it do? I doubt (m)any developers will have any concerns about this. And even if every dev under the sun had their arms in the air over this, what exactly are they going to do? Develop for the game-focussed competition? Oh, wait..
I doubt any dev will be concerned about Nintendo's focus here. It's in the hands of the user whether they want to expand the functionality or not, but as Nintendo ships it, it is focussed on games. The choice on the consumer end is hardly a bad thing.
sonycowboy said:
I don't see people buying a movie on a UMD or memory stick when you can get it on DVD. I'm not sure of this GBA functionality as well. The movie carts that are successful on the GBA are episodes that are not easily found for purchase on VHS or DVD, I don't think. maybe Sony will approach Nintendo to put the Pokemon episodes and movies on UMD? That might make the movie function of the PSP successful.
I think its an exellent idea for those who already own a gbasp or ds, but for someone like myself who owns neither I doubt I'd choose a nds and this attachment over a psp. PSP's screen, look, and graphically capabilites alone is what is going to be the difference. And by golly Its A Sony.
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There are for more television shows, anime included that are far more popular than the pokemon anime, so that simply isn't funny.
Expect Sony to release television shows like King of Queens, Married with Children, Seinfeld, Dawsons Creek, and the shield on UMDs...
Expect Sony to release television shows like King of Queens, Married with Children, Seinfeld, Dawsons Creek, and the shield on UMDs...
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jarrod said:
I wonder what your opinion on the future of UMD video is then. Considering that UMDs will likely be just as cheap if not cheaper, and have far higher quality, and be playing on a system with a much nicer display.
Society... of course you would need to buy the actual video... LOL... did you have a point?
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gofreak said:
My point was that some of Nintendo's support was coming from developers convinced that they were soley focused on gaming, this won't HELP support from THEM.
If a developer didn't like sony releasing a system with the same option, why would they like this? Even on PSP someone doesn't NEED to buy UMD video or UMD audio..., but the question was on SCE's FOCUS.
Galian Beast said:
It isn't funny, just factual. Are you gonna watch Dora on your PSP? Spongebob? They are selling quite well.
I don't see Seinfeld, Dawson's Creek, etc. as being more desireable on UMD than DVD. I doubt most adults would get it to only play on the PSP when you can play it on a DVD player mobiley or at home on a large TV.
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Deg said:Doesnt matter what happens both are losers on this. Especially with HD mobile phones coming next year with megapixel cameras etc.
The one i already have is awesome too minus the Hd bit. I have some cool editing stuff
For a cell phone to be a viable compact phone I don't see it being a viable video player. I don't want to watch video on my cell phones ridiculously small screen...
I'd much rather use a DS, PSP, or portable dvd player.
Portable video is coming, whether people want to accept that or not.
Galian Beast said:
People paid $20 for some poorly encoded premade video. Given the chance to play a better quality video of their chosing, I am sure people will bite for a few dollars more. I am sure 'does this need an addon' was not part of the purchasing decision.
The home-encoded movies will be bigger on PSP than UMD.
i honestly can't see anyone but the biggest tech geeks giving a crap about movie playback on the GBASP, DS or PSP. Who is going to watch a movie or TV show on the go? maybe I'm in the minority, but I know i'll never do that. MP3 playback however is a whole other story and is very much in mainstream usage.
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Society said:STFU. Sold
Hey, its an SPE property that I and many others find to be hilarious.
Any yet they complain...
PSP isn't simply for adults, and adults will be just as willing to watch their television shows on a portable video player during their free time OUTSIDE of the house.
Mobile DVD players at this point are a joke.
You underestimate people's dislike for buying addons
Galian Beast said:
Do you want to carry a huge screen with you all the time? Besides smartphones do tend to have large screens for mobile phones. My point is it should work. Picture and video taking on phones is pretty huge right now for example despie the quality. Not everyone is a nerd.
-SRV- said:maybe Sony will approach Nintendo to put the Pokemon episodes and movies on UMD? That might make the movie function of the PSP successful.
you never know, it could happen, contrary to popular belief 4 Kids Entertainment has the licensing rights for Pokemon television, film, music and home video production and distribution, its not Nintendo
Galian Beast said:
In the heel of the hunt, developers develop for those systems with large userbases. If this helps DS sell, any question of focus will be secondary.
Nintendo's own focus is predominantly videogames. They can easily tell a concerned publisher, "hey, why would we do something that might hurt game sales? we rely on that too you know". They're in the same boat as other publishers in terms of their reliance on that fundamental business, and that alone should be reassuring.
Galian Beast said:
Portable video is probably not quite what you think.
Portable DVD players are selling, but why are people buying them? Do you see adults sitting at a bus stop watching a DVD? Sitting in a restaurant, watching a movie?
If someone can show me that adults are buying portable DVD players for things OTHER than use in cars by their own kids, feel free to show me. I think portable video playing will be largely restricted to family cars and kid's portable devices... things to keep kids quiet while on drives. There are other uses, but I don't see adults using a portable DVD player on a -regular- basis. Camping trips, plane flights... yes, they'll use them. However, I don't see that adults would use portable video enough to justify purchasing large quantities of UMD discs.
GBA Video sells to kids. I think that most portable DVD players are being used for family car trips, and being watched by kids. Now, I could be wrong... but I'd like to hear why you think it's likely that adults are carrying bulky DVD players around with them for quick, lunch time shows.
I think the difference has to do with audience mainly. UMD is in shakey territory because it's aiming at an older tech savvy consumer who likely already has a decent DVD setup and collection at home. GBA Video however is aimed directly at kids, who might only have a GBA of their own (though they probably have a family DVD player at home). UMD Video will need a really wide selection and audience to take off... it'd help if UMD was really a universal standard and not just limited to the PSP base though.Galian Beast said:
I think there's a much higher potential for SD/MS Duo as video formats on GBA/DS/PSP though than prerecorded formats. Just seems more useful.
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Scrow said:
Scrow, things aren't mainstream at the snap of a finger... They have to grow, they have to start from somewhere. You think people want portable audio but not portable video? I wonder what your logic is to come to such a conclusion.
I suggest you remember the horrible mid 90s
Smartphones are VASTLY more expensive, and less mainstream than the average cell phone. I think cell phones are going to have a much more difficult time catching on the dedicated mobile video players.
That is true too.
Explain to me, in your thoughts what the difference between SCE and Nintendo.
Portable video has yet to become a reality. Who wants to carry around a portable dvd player? Why do you think the PSP doesn't use DVDs?
The PSP is pretty much just the start of the UMD. You have to start somewhere.
Im not so sold on this recordable video idea at the time. recordable media always comes AFTER a media has already become mainstream from commercial distribution.
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-SRV- said:
I believe 4kids owns all the distribution rights of the animated series in North America and I think Europe. Could be wrong though.
Galian Beast said:
Even in regular phones you underestimate the popularity of having a 'poor' camera. When it all started cameras were so bad you couldnt make naything out of them yet they were still popular.
All i am saying is that Phones will dominate this area. Its a small area anyway. Smartphones allow for much more than what any game console can offer. Editing for example. Regular phones had a huge boom with sub VGA cameras bulit in.
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DavidDayton said:
I'll take you up on that, I know of one tourbus driver that has bought one in the last 2 weeks due to the boredom that is inherent in the crewing / driving part of the music business.
I bought one because the down-time at my job means hours of being at a strange venue/town with nothing to do.
All of the crew I know own GBA's / PDA's and/or portable entertainment devices of one type or another.
All of them are chomping at the bit for a PSP.
In fact one tourbus company I work with regularly is looking at buying a dozen or so to provide as on-tour entertainment.
All of them are adults by the way, as least temporally.
Galian Beast said:
There's a massive difference! One is a completely independent company who's business is based on videogames, the other is a part of a much larger company who's business is everything from movies to cameras, to projectors, to TVs to videogames to computers to audio etc., and thus is subject to those interests.
Actually, i think if Sony does a decent job, UMDs will be more popular among the mainstream. It simply comes down to being able to buy a UMD, pop it into your PSP, and hit play. i'm assuming here, but the alternative requires you to encode video from a source (ie DVD or file), choose quality settings, and have a MS Duo onhand to save to. It's not rocket science, but it requires more effort than your standard "push play" solution.Society said:
i think that's the major hitch with this device. GBA Videos were no more difficult to play than your standard GBA game. This device requires more work in addition to a possible SD card purchase to get the same functional output as a GBA Video cart, not to mention at higher cost. With technology, people will almost always choose the the simpler option even if the less simple option offers much greater flexibility and quality.
Galian Beast said:
OK distribution rights! Not the same as owning the license as Link316 claims and is not indicated by reading financial reports of 4 kids and Nintendo. So, feasibly Nintendo software could profit from Sony hardware. I can hear it now, Nintendo third party! Wait, they are 'cause Pokemon, Kirby, et al are on media played on other compaines devices.
Freeburn said:I'll take you up on that, I know of one tourbus driver that has bought one in the last 2 weeks due to the boredom that is inherent in the crewing / driving part of the music business.
I bought one because the down-time at my job means hours of being at a strange venue/town with nothing to do.
All of the crew I know own GBA's / PDA's and/or portable entertainment devices of one type or another.
All of them are chomping at the bit for a PSP.
In fact one tourbus company I work with regularly is looking at buying a dozen or so to provide as on-tour entertainment.
All of them are adults by the way, as least temporally.
Drat. I meant to say "most adults". I set myself up for that...
Okay, how's this...
I find it unlikely that MOST of the adults purchasing portable DVD players are using them to watch movies "on the run". Some are, but these tend to be the same market as folks who buy tiny little portable TV's. This is a market, but it's not mainstream and it won't reach the same level as music playback in any way, shape, or form. It seems much more likely that most people buying them are using them as in car film devices, or easily moveable "standard" movie devices... NOT for "movies on the go." Given that, I find it hard to believe that the PSP's movie playback will be "mainstream" enough for adults to desire to purchase UMD's of movies and television shows. However, if the PSP sells enough units, I can easily see kids buying cartoons and "youth oriented programming" on it.
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gofreak said:
Gofreak, SCE might be a subsidiary of Sony Corp, but that doesn't change the business practice of SCE... Sony Corp itself doesn't realy do anything, it's basically just the main name of the Sony Group, a group of company's who don't have anything to do with each other. They are seperate entities tied together by a greater thing.
SCE is not subject to the interest of SPE, SME, SEL e.t.c..
SRV, business works like that. Look at Sony Pictures, many of their movies have been licensed to create games on systems like the Xbox and Gamecube. Meaning that Sony Corp is making money off of the Microsoft and Nintendo hardware. It doesn't change much.