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No Lives Matter - Tom MacDonald
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SpongebobSquaredance
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"Tons and tons of people..."
(followed by)
"like Fox News for example."
You're into establishment music. You're not punk rock. He is.
This really wasn't the gotcha moment you were looking for. You, again, don't make any sense whatsoever. You can't even be bothered in quoting me correctly.
Here, I do it for you:
You haven't provided any retort. Furthermore you still fail to understand that repeating takes from one side of the establishment doesn't make you anti-establishment. Neither does it make you punk rock. Thomas is neither.
He is wack rapper that saw he can make cash by grifting republicans. Thats literally all there is to this guy. It's fine though, poor logic is part of your charm.
"YOu're InTo EStAblIshMenT MuSIC"
... because I don't fall for an obvious act by one of the worst rappers of all time?
Holy shit, make it make sense.
In the meanwhile, enjoy bumpin' that shit boy:
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SpongebobSquaredance
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It is sponsored by Pac turning in his grave.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
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SpongebobSquaredance
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Droxcy
Member
Agreed, This is literally my co worker. Middle age white guy, family man, 9-5 worker. Tried showing me this I just laughed honestly. This guy takes top 10 talking points from Fox News and "raps" over a shite beat. This guy ain't it.
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Batiman
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This man is the biggest joke and an embarrassment to my country. Dude likes to pretend he’s American when most of the issues he cries about does not even happen where he’s from. He basically puts Ben Shapiro talking points into rhymes and dresses like a clown. That’s all he is. Music is trash as well
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
if you want to wash your ears from Thomas' trash, here is something that is good:
Vicetrailia
Banned
If you watch this video and think he isn’t parroting the republican messages then you likely agree with his politics. This video is 100% pro establishment and 100% republican messaging. There is zero detachment from the conservative message. I would say that this guy is either bought and paid for, or is just another non-independent thinker.
His other songs are more neutral or get at specific issues, or are pro freedom (woke song). But this one is Fox News regurgitated.
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SpongebobSquaredance
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he made fairly standard music at the beginning, then he apparently found out about Fox News, rebranded himself and started parroting their talking points, found success in it and the rest is history.
this was him before:
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
In history, there are always people who resist truth tellers. People who do the establishments bidding. The tactic is always to discredit the reputation rather than to address the points themselves.
Easy to spot once you know the formula.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
We truly do live in a world beyond parody and satire, when there are people like Men_in_Boxes that love calling everyone sheep and brainwashed, while they themselves are the most clueless people around.
It's especially obvious when the same type of people are so incredibly one sided and hypocritical, that it just hurts to see. They aren't able to see that they themselves follow a cut and dry agenda.
Talking about establishment bidding and shutting down truth tellers, while all they are doing is taking advice from an obvious grift, one that literally parrots the same talking points you see in the media and on the internet each and every day.
essentially going through the world like this...
...without realizing it.
It doesn't really matter if you're an republican or democrat. Both sides play each other and both sides ARE the establishment. You can't just cherry pick one side, ignore the other and claim to be punk rock, and even more ridiculous, anti-establishment because of it.
If you do that and fall for grifters like Thomas, I'm sorry to say, but then you are a moron.
It's especially obvious when the same type of people are so incredibly one sided and hypocritical, that it just hurts to see. They aren't able to see that they themselves follow a cut and dry agenda.
Talking about establishment bidding and shutting down truth tellers, while all they are doing is taking advice from an obvious grift, one that literally parrots the same talking points you see in the media and on the internet each and every day.
essentially going through the world like this...
...without realizing it.
It doesn't really matter if you're an republican or democrat. Both sides play each other and both sides ARE the establishment. You can't just cherry pick one side, ignore the other and claim to be punk rock, and even more ridiculous, anti-establishment because of it.
If you do that and fall for grifters like Thomas, I'm sorry to say, but then you are a moron.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I'm here still waiting to hear "tons of examples" of people who espouse Tom Macdonalds beliefs in...
Music
Film
Games
TV
Sports
The five cultural pillars of the west. Where these Tom Macdonald sheep at?
Real recognize real.
Music
Film
Games
TV
Sports
The five cultural pillars of the west. Where these Tom Macdonald sheep at?
Real recognize real.
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SpongebobSquaredance
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literally every public republican figure.
TV - Fox News
Film - Little Pink House, Safe Spaces
Music... how about Kid Rock? Literally the same shtick, although Kid Rock is a great instrumentalist. Other than that Dax goes in a similar fashion than Tom and shares similar beliefs, he just isn't as edgy.
Sports - what do you want? Conservative athletes? There are tons of them. Sport organizations also aren't exactly "commies"
Games - Crusader Kings
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EverythingsOverrated
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Tom Macdonald is a joke. The guy is moderately good at rapping, but like others have said the guy just finds whatever current right wing memes are popular and makes them rhyme. He also makes the same song over and over with little differences and it doesn't help that it's an uninteresting song in the first place. It also feels like he's always imitating another artists style, whether it's an Eminem like hook or a Migos like cadence. He's just not an original person.
The thing is I agree with some of the points he makes, but the guy is just a cringelord. I don't feel the artistry in his music whereas someone like Immortal Technique (even though I disagree with him on some things politically) makes music that actually hits you.
Wow, this shit is possibly even worse than his recent stuff
The thing is I agree with some of the points he makes, but the guy is just a cringelord. I don't feel the artistry in his music whereas someone like Immortal Technique (even though I disagree with him on some things politically) makes music that actually hits you.
Wow, this shit is possibly even worse than his recent stuff
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
This is precisely my point.
You're examples of Tom Macdonald type presence in the wider culture is...
Fox News. A cable news show that attracts the 65+ market, and is swarmed by MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS.
Film - In a poll of 100 random people, how many are going to know what Little Pink House and Safe Spaces is? I don't.
Music - Kid Rock? Is that who the kids are listening to these days?
Sports - Please list me the names of outspoken conservative athletes. They exist, absolutely. But ask yourself why they're not outspoken.
Crusader Kings? Is that from a major publisher?
You're pointing at a drop of water while floating in the ocean.
Calling Tom Macdonald corny is lazy foot soldier thinking. He's the most important rapper alive right now.
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Torrent of Pork
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Nothing will get you hated more than promoting unity with people The Establishment wants you to despise.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
How about Kaitlyn Jenner. She even ran for office.
Are you trolling?
sonicwebster
Banned
I dunno, he beats are of but nothing amazing. I also don't know what he was talking about with fake woke. I feel the term woke is being used for anything and everything and so any meaning.
I mean last month I heard that peanut m&ms for some reason "woke". Does that mean I I'm woke because I prefer the crunch of peanut m&ms. Who knows, what does woke even mean, I don't think Tom even knows.
I mean last month I heard that peanut m&ms for some reason "woke". Does that mean I I'm woke because I prefer the crunch of peanut m&ms. Who knows, what does woke even mean, I don't think Tom even knows.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Kaitlyn Jenner isn't culturally relevant.
The establishment doesn't allow for Tom Macdonald beliefs. If you want to suck at the teet of the establishment, you do what they tell you.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
lol okay you're trolling. Cool.
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SpongebobSquaredance
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my god, the point is garbage though. art has always been premodomantiely liberal. always has been, always will be. If you can't accept this little fact, and if that is reason for you to go on a ridiculous rant about how the "five pillars of the west" have been corrupted, then you're being disingenuous... and yet, ignoring the conservative presence in art, and more importantly, the media would be disingenuous as well, because it definitely exists and proved itself to be a successful audience for years.
Fox News is bigger than some of those other channels COMBINED. They're are legit one of the biggest around. Not to mention, the internet with social media is bigger than ever before, so you'll naturally find plenty of conservative and republican channels, shows, news etc. all over the web on YT, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, etc. etc.
Google is your friend. I could even find a conservative encyclopedia, although it has to be satire (apparently it isn't, but that's just way too funny, holy shit).
In a poll there probably would be a lot that would name known successful conservative movies as well. Again, most art is and has been liberal, so you obviously will find more of that, but there definitely are movies tailored towards a conservative audience that have been very successful. Most Christmas movies or Adam Sandler movies I'd consider full of conservative values. There are successful christian movies. Batman is more on the conservative side of affairs. Several children movies as well, although they definitely work beyond those boundaries, and they have to be, because they want to be movies attracting big audiences. It wouldn't be smart to ignore a big audience when making a movie whose goal is to be a hit, isn't it?
Dax isn't an old-timer, if that's what you wanted to say. Is Thomas what the youth is listening? Maybe a few, but his demographic will be likely to to be around 25-45. Teens aren't listening to him, unless they wanna cringe. Thats not his audience.
With music it's exactly like with movies. Most has always been liberal, but you have to differentiate: country, southern rock, that's predominately conservative, rap is predominately liberal, rock is mixed (even going so far that RATM is getting played at a trump rally), pop is tailored towards attracting the biggest crowd, because it usually thrives to be a hit that resonates with people.
As for gaming, there aren't a lot, as games have been demonized by republican figures for years. Also possibly because a story driven by conservative values isn't exactly something that works in a video game. Big video games need a big audience, so that's why they deliberately tell stories that catches the biggest audience, and that's not necessarily conservative stories. If you want more conservative video games, you have to look for niche games, like Crusader Kings. I guess Call of Duty fits the shoe among the big games.
Bottom line is though, there are plenty republicans and republican owned companies and organizations. There is conservative media. A lot. You have to take crazy pills, if you think they are not part of the establishment and are somehow the underdog. lol
Calling Tom McDonald the most important rapper alive is like calling fucking Applebees the most important food, because they share the same beliefs as you are.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
This conversation got started when I asked you to name some anti establishment voices within the cultural pillars.
You provided Kid Rock as one of your examples.
That's a TKO. The match is over. Tom Macdonald is the most important, brave voice in rap. He's the Tupac of his generation.
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Doom85
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Look at this guy, he’s got jokes! Well done, I salute you for such a ridiculous yet hilarious statement!
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SpongebobSquaredance
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there is no sense in discussing with someone who ignores every argument and uses logical fallacies like they are sprinkles on ice cream.
blabber, coping, ignorance, withdrawal and then turn back and claim victory
classic.
say "I don't know what I am talking about and I hate rap" without literally saying it.
he isn't even the Vanilla Ice of his generation.
Please remove yourself from rap, and deepthroat an ice pop. Thank you, and goodbye.
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ParaSeoul
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he even made a song about it
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Catphish
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SentientStone
Member
We are in a huge 1984 psyop… to trigger the rise of this. I worry….
EDIT: But I do like some of his music, I have it on Apple Music. Lol
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CrankyJay™
Member
I’m all-in on the message. You just know there are some power-elites that operate above faction lines that make money from the chaos that people in tiers below them cause.
So what do we do as individuals? Buy in on a side that works best for you and your family and hope you come out relatively unscathed.
So what do we do as individuals? Buy in on a side that works best for you and your family and hope you come out relatively unscathed.
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SpongebobSquaredance
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because the message is either
a) surface level and the talking points plainly obvious
b) contractionary
c) reactionary
d) parroted
e) lacking nuance
f) simply not good
not to mention that it is a grift anyways, as he himself doesn't even believe half of the stuff he says in his lyrics.
this is music for edgy conservative teens that think they've cracked the code. However, I hope he goes full nut one day, citing things like Qanon (I mean he already did that, but unintentional), because that would be funny as hell.
idk, he reminds me of Marilyn Manson. Edgy controversial music isn't exactly new ground.
All of these songs are
1) Drugs, hookup culture, and pursuit of vanity/fame/wealth are bad
2) The mainstream media is dividing us
3) Children are being indoctrinated into believing infinite genders
4) Society is undermining family values
5) Jesus is a real swell guy
1) Drugs, hookup culture, and pursuit of vanity/fame/wealth are bad
2) The mainstream media is dividing us
3) Children are being indoctrinated into believing infinite genders
4) Society is undermining family values
5) Jesus is a real swell guy
eddie4
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Krappadizzle
Member
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
just say it bro, he's so brave ;_;
It's all in the wrist
Member
Thanks for the laugh.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
And?All of these songs are
1) Drugs, hookup culture, and pursuit of vanity/fame/wealth are bad
2) The mainstream media is dividing us
3) Children are being indoctrinated into believing infinite genders
4) Society is undermining family values
5) Jesus is a real swell guy
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Oh I'll give you that.
Edit- Yeah, your post really flew over my head now that I think about it.
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nemiroff
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I find some of his political raps cringey because it's pure banality, especially the hooks. However, Tom is a bit misunderstood. On the surface he makes cringy political hip hop, but if you look deeper he's a actually a quite sound hip hop artist.. And when he leans towards traditional rap he's actually really good. Both his technical abilities and lyricism are top tier and can be easily spotted when he doesn't follow his usual popular recipe. Some of his features makes this especially visible. "No Response" is a good example of how he can shine both technically and versatility in lyricism. Also check out his feature with Upchurch called "Travelers", which I guess is more like in the country rap genre.
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SpongebobSquaredance
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his battle with Mac Lethal was cool too.
He can be decent when he tries, but I wouldn't say he is lyrically top tier.
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