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Nobel Prize in Literature goes to Bob Dylan
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if it is revealed that one author came up with the minds of 30,000 people discussing the banalities of life for over decade, then he that person
Shake Appeal
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I'll give you Elvis, but the Beatles are deeply indebted to Bob Dylan. He was the one who first got them seriously high in 1964. And:
"It seemed to go on and on forever. It was just beautiful ... He showed all of us that it was possible to go a little further." McCartney on "Like a Rolling Stone"
In the mid-60s, Dylan did more to make rock and roll (and so other pop music) literate and provocative than almost anyone ever has. Certainly his influence was far greater and more direct than anyone else doing interesting things at the time.
Disagree Guy
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Don't worry, you could get nominated for a nobel prize for your response.
They give them out like candy at halloween nowadays
plus he turned them on to weed
karasu
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Silly contrarian. Enjoy your reindeer games.
John Dunbar
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bob dylan is better than trash tier prizes like the nobel.
nelsonroyale
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Sure why not...his writing, in my opinion, is the strength of his art. The rest, has never clicked with me, particularly his singing...
John Dunbar
correct about everything
new edition of tarantula incoming.
WrenchNinja
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Subterranean Homesick Blues is still the best
hydrophilic attack
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Lin-Manuel Miranda has something to aim for now after he completes his PEGOT at the Oscars.
The Nobel Prize has always been a lifetime achievement award generally, not "who had the best work in the last year?"
The Nobel Prize has always been a lifetime achievement award generally, not "who had the best work in the last year?"
Now you've done it. Another book for my backlog.
Oveja Negra
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This is nonsense.
Next time it will be won by a graffitti artist who writes clever shit on walls.
Next time it will be won by a graffitti artist who writes clever shit on walls.
Cannot argue with his poetic ability though.
Well in Dylan case he's been at it for so long finally, he has to be up there as one of the oldest to win it.
Wanksy 2017!
John Kowalski
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Aha! Is this our chance??
It's always amusing to see American media and/or Americans get worked up about this.
Onlinehero
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If you have a BA in literature and can't distinguish epic, dramatic, and lyric poetry then uh, perhaps refresh the course.
This is a fitting prize for a poet. It is not a musical award.
Humanities need to step up!
Shiggy to be posthumously recognized.
eot
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Play writers have won in the past, so I don't see why not. It's not about the medium.
Elven_Star
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I love how you ignored the "I'm not saying his work should or should not be considered literature" part.
TheLetdown
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Is this the first acknowledgment by the "establishment" of Rock N Roll as literature?
This is awesome, by the way.
This is awesome, by the way.
Onlinehero
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Not saying you didn't acknowledge that. Was referring to:
I mean it should be obvious and it's a major part of literature as a subject.
If it weren't for this year's winner, how could James Murphy have ripped off of Lou reed or modern lovers?
Elven_Star
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Song writing has not been a "major part of literature" as far as I know. That's the whole point. This is unprecedented.
Dead people can't get the award. Also his body of work is likely not large/significant enough. If he was still alive? Who knows.
The point is to recognize the best from literature, as Nobel wanted. The Prize has already gone to novelists, poets, short story writers, philosophers, historians, playwrights, and orators (and probably a few other disciplines). Each of those, when awarded the first time, expanded the scope of who had been recognized.
Movie scripts aren't fundamentally different from plays, so yes, there'd be no reason to exclude them.
However, given the nature of filmmaking, which tend to feature multiple screenwriters (often uncredited), being overseen by directors, etc., it would probably be very difficult for a screenwriter to put together the kind of reputation necessary. At a minimum, it would probably need to be a writer-director.
Sweden's own Ingmar Bergman would probably have been the most obvious candidate, but he's gone now.
Onlinehero
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Let's ask the ancient greeks:
It turns out it's a major part of literature and literally one of the first things you learn when studying literature.
In the words of Aristotle, you done goofed!
Elven_Star
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You have created a twisted version of what I'm saying. I meet people like you on a daily basis. They are out to prove they know more about literature than the guy who has studied it academically. It's some kind of self-confidence thing.
Here's the thing: Bob Dylan has been known as a song writer throughout his life. It's the first time they have awarded a Nobel prize to a song writer. You want to call it lyric poetry? Fine. The question is why it wasn't recognized as such till now. What has changed?
Vigilant Walrus
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Whats up with Murakami? I've not read any of his books but I know he is loved. Given the amount of responses here makes me think he has done something recent to be robbed?
Not to pile on you, but Medieval Songbooks and perhaps some even before that are great examples of literature in poem/lyrics form that perpetuate and preserve the traditions and culture of a society. Dylan will occupy a front row in every 20th century Songbook.
One of my favorite obscure Dylan songs:
I've been a moonshiner,
For seventeen long years,
I've spent all my money,
On whiskey and beer,
I go to some hollow,
And sit at my still
And if whiskey dont kill me,
Then I dont know what will,
I go to some bar room,
And drink with my friends,
Where the women cant follow,
And see what I spend,
God bless them pretty women,
I wish they was mine,
Their breath is as sweet,
The dew on the vine,
Let me eat when I am hungry,
Let me drink when I am dry,
A dollar when I am hard up,
Religion when I die,
The whole world's a bottle,
And life's but a dram,
When the bottle gets empty,
It sure ain't worth a damn.
I've been a moonshiner,
For seventeen long years,
I've spent all my money,
On whiskey and beer,
I go to some hollow,
And sit at my still
And if whiskey dont kill me,
Then I dont know what will,
I go to some bar room,
And drink with my friends,
Where the women cant follow,
And see what I spend,
God bless them pretty women,
I wish they was mine,
Their breath is as sweet,
The dew on the vine,
Let me eat when I am hungry,
Let me drink when I am dry,
A dollar when I am hard up,
Religion when I die,
The whole world's a bottle,
And life's but a dram,
When the bottle gets empty,
It sure ain't worth a damn.
Elven_Star
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Yes, I said in my first post that I'm not saying his work should not be considered literature. Don't know why people keep ignoring that.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
He's good but I think he's yet to write his true masterpiece. Give it some time.
I feel like if this is a new thing, if the Nobel Prize In Literature is going to songwriters, it should go to songwriters whose work transcends the music it's written for and is actually poetry and whose body of work had some significant impact on the world.
Bob Dylan certainly fits in that category.
That being said, Hank Williams should easily be awarded this down the line.
Bob Dylan certainly fits in that category.
That being said, Hank Williams should easily be awarded this down the line.
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