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North Carolina asks Supreme Court to reinstate voter ID law
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Voter Id is such crap
Shake Appeal
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Great use of taxpayers' money. Truly, the party of fiscal responsibility.
Lightning_Roller
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Man fuck my state government, it's nothing but scum in there. I can't wait to vote these soulless bastards outta there.
CarpeDeezNutz
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If you can't win them over might as well keep them from voting.
Vicetrailia
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One of the things I hate about living in North Carolina, dealing with these backwards fools in power now.
Trying their best to keep certain people from voting like the POS they are.
Trying their best to keep certain people from voting like the POS they are.
One of the things I hate about living in North Carolina, dealing with these backwards fools in power now.
I will be voting against the powers of stupidity.
I like having two parties in there working on issues and coming up with bipartisan solutions. But this current crop are just plan evil.
Abstrusity
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What's the "supposed" endgame, here? What's the justification for cutting early voting and closing poll centers across the state? To the uninitiated, sure, their argument for a photo ID to vote is a sound one -- it seems like a good justification (even though we all know that's not what it's about). But the rest of it...isn't. Less early voting and fewer polling stations will never help against voter fraud, which never really existed in the first place.
I'm just sort of confused by this entire thing. What excuse can they possibly have for sloughing off one of their only responsibilities that doesn't make them seem like classist, racist, dickbags?
I'm just sort of confused by this entire thing. What excuse can they possibly have for sloughing off one of their only responsibilities that doesn't make them seem like classist, racist, dickbags?
SliceSabre
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Oh sod off the best they can possibly hope for is a 4-4 split cause they sure as hell at getting 5 votes out of this current court. I hope the Supreme Court takes the case and balls up the law and throws it in their faces while striking it down.
yanipheonu
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What's the "supposed" endgame, here? What's the justification for cutting early voting and closing poll centers across the state? To the uninitiated, sure, their argument for a photo ID to vote is a sound one -- it seems like a good justification (even though we all know that's not what it's about). But the rest of it...isn't. Less early voting and fewer polling stations will never help against voter fraud, which never really existed in the first place.
I'm just sort of confused by this entire thing. What excuse can they possibly have for sloughing off one of their only responsibilities that doesn't make them seem like classist, racist, dickbags?
It's to keep poor people/certain demographics from voting. Full stop.
Voter fraud is a virtually nonexistent problem.
What's the "supposed" endgame, here? What's the justification for cutting early voting and closing poll centers across the state? To the uninitiated, sure, their argument for a photo ID to vote is a sound one -- it seems like a good justification (even though we all know that's not what it's about). But the rest of it...isn't. Less early voting and fewer polling stations will never help against voter fraud, which never really existed in the first place.
I'm just sort of confused by this entire thing. What excuse can they possibly have for sloughing off one of their only responsibilities that doesn't make them seem like classist, racist, dickbags?
These laws are designed to prevent minorities, mostly African Americans, from voting. African Americans, tend to vote Democrat, not Republican.
There's a reason why you're only seeing these laws passed in states where Republicans are in control (and its not to prevent voter fraud). What should be done instead is what Oregon did, where everyone is automatically registered to vote.
Abstrusity
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These laws are designed to prevent minorities, mostly African Americans, from voting. African Americans, tend to vote Democrat, not Republican.
I know what they're designed to do, I just don't understand the spin. It's supposed to be more subtle than that. at LEAST shallow justifications for doing the racist and/or classist garbage they do. But that doesn't exist, here. It's a new paradigm of assholishness.
metalslimer
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The end game is that they minorities would be permanently disenfranchised as Republicans take over more of the government and there is no one to overturn them.
andthebeatgoeson
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SCOTUS: Your law is unfair to black people.What do early voting days have to do with voter id laws? This couldn't be more transparent
NC:K
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NC: But can you put it back, plz?
I know what they're designed to do, I just don't understand the spin. It's supposed to be more subtle than that. at LEAST shallow justifications for doing the racist and/or classist garbage they do. But that doesn't exist, here. It's a new paradigm of assholishness.
This is a party that just nominated Donald Trump as their candidate (and stuck with him after all the bull shit he's been spewing for over a year), being subtle for the Republican party went out the window a long time ago.
br0ken_shad0w
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Five votes to overturn. Yeah good luck with that.....
Lightning_Roller
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The end game is that they minorities would be permanently disenfranchised as Republicans take over more of the government and there is no one to overturn them.
This. So much this. The pieces of shit in the state government can go fucks themselves.
yanipheonu
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I know what they're designed to do, I just don't understand the spin. It's supposed to be more subtle than that. at LEAST shallow justifications for doing the racist and/or classist garbage they do. But that doesn't exist, here. It's a new paradigm of assholishness.
They generally champion themselves as fighting against potential threats against the sanctity of the vote.
Or dismissively shrug off that it's easy to get an ID (spoiler: it can be surprisingly hard)
I'd recommend John Oliver's bit on this voter ID problem.
http://youtu.be/rHFOwlMCdto
SpiralZilla
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So they were found guilty of intentional discrimination...and they're asking the Supreme Court to let them do it again?
They know they can't win, right?
They know they can't win, right?
If Scalia didn't pass away they could have won. But now? Forget it.So they were found guilty of intentional discrimination...and they're asking the Supreme Court to let them do it again?
They know they can't win, right?
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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So they were found guilty of intentional discrimination...and they're asking the Supreme Court to let them do it again?
They know they can't win, right?
They're going to try anyways, because they know demographics will start screwing the Republican party soon anyways.
Imperfected
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Is there a decent exposé somewhere on how North Carolina became the front-line of the GOP's war on common sense?
Lightning_Roller
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Could someone explain the underlying issue for me, as I have never delved into what this is all about? They are requiring ID, and some groups of people don't have ID?
How do you vote otherwise, do you get some form of paper sent to you?
It's pretty damn plain to see, actually. They don't want certain demographics to vote, and by that I mean minorities. That's basically it. The law was racist as fuck from the get go and the reason why the Supreme Court shot down the law, and thank goodness for that. And now the assholes are trying to get it back again, and they won't.
It's pretty damn plain to see, actually. They don't want certain demographics to vote, and by that I mean minorities. That's basically it. The law was racist as fuck from the get go and the reason why the Supreme Court shot down the law, and thank goodness for that. And now the assholes are trying to get it back again, and they won't.
But for me, coming from Sweden, I don't get the racist aspect of it all? Is there some form of cost added to the voting process?
Applesauce
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The Daily Show did a segment on NC Voter ID laws in 2013 and the GOP chairman didn't even try to hide his racism in the interview
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/dxhtvk/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-suppressing-the-vote
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/dxhtvk/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-suppressing-the-vote
Lightning_Roller
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But for me, coming from Sweden, I don't get the racist aspect of it all? Is there some form of cost added to the voting process?
No cost at all. You just vote, and the state government was trying to prevent minorities from voting, not only that but to stop minorities from voting early.
TheAbsolution
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Watch the video piece above. It explains why these laws are discrimatory.But for me, coming from Sweden, I don't get the racist aspect of it all? Is there some form of cost added to the voting process?
Empyrean Heaven
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Doesn't North Carolina typically vote red? Why are these laws (that have been admittedly used to decrease the black vote) such an issue?
I mean, there's more races than just President so...I think I just answered my own question.
I mean, there's more races than just President so...I think I just answered my own question.
SuperBanana
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Can the NC government please just fuck off? I loved it there but man, they voted in some trash.
But for me, coming from Sweden, I don't get the racist aspect of it all? Is there some form of cost added to the voting process?
Basically people unlikely to have ID or face difficulties obtaining id for a variety of reasons (financial, scheduling, opportunities etc) are hugely disproportionately likely to be black, or at least non white
Lightning_Roller
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Basically people unlikely to have ID or face difficulties obtaining id for a variety of reasons (financial, scheduling, opportunities etc) are hugely disproportionately likely to be black, or at least non white
This is basically the gist of it.
Basically people unlikely to have ID or face difficulties obtaining id for a variety of reasons (financial, scheduling, opportunities etc) are hugely disproportionately likely to be black, or at least non white
Alright, thanks. And otherwise, all you need to vote is to supply some form of voting card, I presume?
Basically people unlikely to have ID or face difficulties obtaining id for a variety of reasons (financial, scheduling, opportunities etc) are hugely disproportionately likely to be black, or at least non white
Also, college IDs were not allowed for identification. They also removed the polling booths from college campuses.
This law targeted any group that was more likely to vote Dem.
TheAbsolution
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Correct.Alright, thanks. And otherwise, all you need to vote is to supply some form of voting card, I presume?
But for me, coming from Sweden, I don't get the racist aspect of it all? Is there some form of cost added to the voting process?
https://thinkprogress.org/breaking-...ion-law-in-the-nation-7de6c6fa9a6d#.qmn0c9hka
As Judge Motz lays out the facts of this case, it’s hard not to come away with the conclusion that North Carolina’s lawmakers wanted to get caught engaging in unlawfully racial discrimination.
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Before enacting that law, moreover, “the legislature requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices.” After receiving that data, “the General Assembly enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans.” Indeed, this data appears to have guided the state’s lawmakers in drafting a law that would have maximal impact on African-Americans.
The law did not simply contain a voter ID provision. Rather “the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans” while simultaneously retaining “only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess.” (Although, in fairness, this provision was later watered down.)
The legislature’s data on racial voting patterns showed that “African Americans disproportionately used the first seven days of early voting,” and so “the General Assembly amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting.” The data showed that “African American voters disproportionately used [same-day registration] when it was available,” and so same-day registration was cut as well. The law also eliminated out-of-precinct voting, which “required the Board of Elections in each county to count the provisional ballot of an Election Day voter who appeared at the wrong precinct, but in the correct county, for all of the ballot items for which the voter was eligible to vote.” African-Americans, meanwhile, were especially likely to take advantage of this practice.
Yet for all these changes, the lawmakers exempted absentee voting from the law’s new voter ID restriction, and it did so after discovering “that African Americans did not disproportionately use absentee voting; whites did.” Thus, as Motz summarizes the facts of the case, “the General Assembly enacted legislation restricting all — and only — practices disproportionately used by African Americans.”
Summary: North Carolina basically did some studies on voting habits (on record), figured out the different ways black people vote or register to vote, and intentionally fucked over those specific ways of voting. They got caught.
I might get shit for this but I have no problem with requiring ID. I know it statistically helps our opposition but us fighting for and defending the right to vote without an ID based on that is very shaky ground to stand on and seems extremely biased. Maybe we should have better systems in place for people to replace their lost/stolen IDs.
I know voter fraud isnt really a thing in this sense, and you have to be registered to vote, but requiring ID is not exactly some foreign concept in the country. You can't get a job without ID either.
Edit: Ok I didn't know they were TARGETING low income and minority voters...thats a pretty fraudulent reason to want a law
I know voter fraud isnt really a thing in this sense, and you have to be registered to vote, but requiring ID is not exactly some foreign concept in the country. You can't get a job without ID either.
Edit: Ok I didn't know they were TARGETING low income and minority voters...thats a pretty fraudulent reason to want a law
And I'm not sure about North Carolina's law but in Alabama, where they had something similar, people who lived in certain areas (which, coincidentally, were mostly made up of black people) were forced to drive 50-100 miles to get the approved ID because all of the nearby offices that issued them were closed.Also, college IDs were not allowed for identification. They also removed the polling booths from college campuses.
This law targeted any group that was more likely to vote Dem.
I might get shit for this but I have no problem with requiring ID. I know it statistically helps our opposition but us fighting for and defending the right to vote without an ID based on that is very shaky ground to stand on and seems extremely biased. Maybe we should have better systems in place for people to replace their lost/stolen IDs.
I know voter fraud isnt really a thing in this sense, and you have to be registered to vote, but requiring ID is not exactly some foreign concept in the country. You can't get a job without ID either.
Edit: Ok I didn't know they were TARGETING low income and minority voters...thats a pretty fraudulent reason to want a law
Then the state should provide said ID card for free, and make it accessible for everyone to get one.
However, the same party that is passing these laws, are 100% opposed to that (and a national ID card system).
TheAbsolution
Member
All voter ID laws are started with the same agenda. They're all targeting minorities, every single last one of them.I might get shit for this but I have no problem with requiring ID. I know it statistically helps our opposition but us fighting for and defending the right to vote without an ID based on that is very shaky ground to stand on and seems extremely biased. Maybe we should have better systems in place for people to replace their lost/stolen IDs.
I know voter fraud isnt really a thing in this sense, and you have to be registered to vote, but requiring ID is not exactly some foreign concept in the country. You can't get a job without ID either.
Edit: Ok I didn't know they were TARGETING low income and minority voters...thats a pretty fraudulent reason to want a law
Then the state should provide said ID card for free, and make it accessible for everyone to get one.
However, the same party that is passing these laws, are 100% opposed to that (and a national ID card system).
Yeah my bad I didnt understand that they were basically gerrymandering with peoples right to vote. Theyre tinkering with elections, not enforcing anti-voter fraud legislation. I get it now.
n00bsauce87
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It takes a lot of ego to ask a federal court to reinstate policies that was proven to be racist as if they won't see the unconstitutionality of it all
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