North Korea just shelled them some South Korea

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I know it's been discussed, but Al-Jazeera's article about China's view of North Korea has this interesting nugget:
The cable said that Cheng suggested that Kim Jong-il's decision to anoint his youngest son as his successor was driven more by Kim's deteriorating health than any carefully planned strategy.

"They had no time to plan for this," he was quoted as saying, adding that Kim Jong-il's announcement was designed to send a message to the military that he held the power.

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Chun was quoted as saying that he believed that the North would cease to function as a state within three years of Kim Jong-il's death
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http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/11/2010113034727624560.html
 
I thought this was all over and cooled down why did the new guy have to spew the hot fire to make news cycles spin :(

you should already have done your airstrike now, why wait?
 
Smiles and Cries said:
I thought this was all over and cooled down why did the new guy have to spew the hot fire to make news cycles spin :(

you should already have done your airstrike now, why wait?
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You get one more chance! Just like last time!
 
Askia47 said:
If NK fires shots, SK should go for the air strikes. Lets do this already.
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I have friends in South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, and in the US Navy over there. I would be extremely fucking concerned if shit breaks out. This is not a fucking TV show.
 
Dice said:
Fucking fuck. With the way US & SK have been all "bros 4 lyfe! we'll kick their ass!" together this does not look good.

North warns of stronger strike if drill goes ahead.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101217/ts_nm/us_korea_north

Bonus suckage.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101217/wl_afp/nkoreaskoreamilitarynuclearwarning
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I like how they're always calling the US the aggressors in this when it's North Korea that's always kicking the bee hive over there. That recent shelling was ridiculous and they're lucky South Korea is being held on a leash.

Edit: Anybody wanting war is crazy. It's got to be only a matter of time before North Korea collapses anyway. Poverty and lack of resources has to be killing them.
 
Dice said:
I have friends in South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, and in the US Navy over there. I would be extremely fucking concerned if shit breaks out. This is not a fucking TV show.
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I have friends over there as well, I know the risks to the region and its stability is fragile. But NK aggression is only going to get worse if SK doesn’t respond forcefully to the NK threat.
 
North Korea issues those statements all the time.

Just with recent events the media is sensationalizing them more.

Its like that bad James Bond movie with the stealth boat and whatsherface from Lois and Clark about 8 year too late to cast her as a Bond girl.
 
And for what it's worth, most of their threats have to be pretty hollow. Sure, they have a large marching army, but it's not like they'd ever get into South Korea with it before it got bombed to oblivion first. And if they began to act hostile enough to where the threat looked real, those nuclear sites would be decimated before the first missile was launched. It's not like we haven't been spying and knowing where those locations are.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
North Korea issues those statements all the time.

Just with recent events the media is sensationalizing them more.

Its like that bad James Bond movie with the stealth boat and whatsherface from Lois and Clark about 8 year too late to cast her as a Bond girl.
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Yeah, what the fuck was she doing there? Pierce went from the hot girls of Goldeneye to... poor bastard.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
North Korea issues those statements all the time.

Just with recent events the media is sensationalizing them more.

Its like that bad James Bond movie with the stealth boat and whatsherface from Lois and Clark about 8 year too late to cast her as a Bond girl.
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Teri Hatcher. I believe she was also preggers at the time, which is why she only had like 4 lines in the movie.
 
Jeff-DSA said:
I like how they're always calling the US the aggressors in this when it's North Korea that's always kicking the bee hive over there. That recent shelling was ridiculous and they're lucky South Korea is being held on a leash.

Edit: Anybody wanting war is crazy. It's got to be only a matter of time before North Korea collapses anyway. Poverty and lack of resources has to be killing them.
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Does the US and SK really need to another drill 3 weeks after their last one? I mean, REALLY, do they??? If that isn't "kicking the bee hive", I don't know what is. We know that NK will do worse than they did in last month's drill. We know it could start a major war that involves NK trying to use nuclear. The US and SK haven't forgotten their drill work that they a need a new one. We know that China and Russia see the drills as a major starting point for anything hostile that NK does.

If it's only a matter of time as you say before NK collapses, why don't we just wait and stop these drills that do absolutely nothing except provoke NK to go balls to the wall? Unless the US and SK really want a war - then they're doing everything right.
 
Mr. E. Yis said:
Does the US and SK really need to another drill 3 weeks after their last one? I mean, REALLY, do they??? If that isn't "kicking the bee hive", I don't know what is. We know that NK will do worse than they did in last month's drill. We know it could start a major war that involves NK trying to use nuclear. The US and SK haven't forgotten their drill work that they a need a new one. We know that China and Russia see the drills as a major starting point for anything hostile that NK does.

If it's only a matter of time as you say before NK collapses, why don't we just wait and stop these drills that do absolutely nothing except provoke NK to go balls to the wall? Unless the US and SK really want a war - then they're doing everything right.
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How do we know that North Korea amid collapse doesn't decide to try and take out South Korea? I think it's just common sense that South Korea and the United States should be well trained and prepared in case of an attack from North Korea. You also don't want North Korea to think that their threats dictate what other countries do with their military training procedures.

It's all stupid. North Korea is led by a brat and his actions have put millions of people in absolute terrible circumstances. You can't continue to let his tantrums and fist shaking run the show.
 
I think they should get one SK and one NK person to stand face to face, on each side of the border line and just hug it out.
 
Majine said:
I think they should get one SK and one NK person to stand face to face, on each side of the border line and just hug it out.
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Isn't the border lifted every year for families that are separated between the two countries to see each other?
 
claviertekky said:
Isn't the border lifted every year for families that are separated between the two countries to see each other?
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That plank is supposedly the border. That's hug distance, right?
 
Majine said:
I think they should get one SK and one NK person to stand face to face, on each side of the border line and just hug it out.
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Then it's just gonna be, north korea is best hug it out bitch korea bitch.
 
So the thing holding everyone back from slapping that stupid fucking grin off the face of North Korea, is the fact that they've got tons of shit pointed at SK, right? The amount of war-dollars it would take to fuck up NK has got to be pocket change compared to what we've spent in the War on Terror.

So here's my idea: Take all the money saved from fighting (essentially) a 3rd world country and use it to give everyone in South Korea a paid vacation! Just for a weekend or so. Then us, SK, and everyone else who is sick of NK's bullshit can just ride our segway's across the DMZ and take out the whole NK military by just offering the soldiers fruit baskets or some shit.
 
bistromathics said:
So the thing holding everyone back from slapping that stupid fucking grin off the face of North Korea, is the fact that they've got tons of shit pointed at SK, right? The amount of war-dollars it would take to fuck up NK has got to be pocket change compared to what we've spent in the War on Terror.

So here's my idea: Take all the money saved from fighting (essentially) a 3rd world country and use it to give everyone in South Korea a paid vacation! Just for a weekend or so. Then us, SK, and everyone else who is sick of NK's bullshit can just ride our segway's across the DMZ and take out the whole NK military by just offering the soldiers fruit baskets or some shit.
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Just build a giant wall
 
The US and South Korea should just drop tons of flyers and images of the outside world across North Korea along with crates of food and medical supplies. I wonder if that would have any impact at all. Even if it doesn't, you'd still be providing food to people who very much need it.
 
bistromathics said:
rockets shoot over walls. your plan is the worst!
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yeah but this wall would be a giant magnet wall.

Jeff-DSA said:
The US and South Korea should just drop tons of flyers and images of the outside world across North Korea along with crates of food and medical supplies. I wonder if that would have any impact at all. Even if it doesn't, you'd still be providing food to people who very much need it.
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Until the people running for them get shot. That or they'll actually believe it's not help and merely western trickery to kill them.
 
Alucrid said:
Until the people running for them get shot. That or they'll actually believe it's not help and merely western trickery to kill them.
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And the food will be sent to feed the elite.

Probably.
 
Jeff-DSA said:
How do we know that North Korea amid collapse doesn't decide to try and take out South Korea? I think it's just common sense that South Korea and the United States should be well trained and prepared in case of an attack from North Korea. You also don't want North Korea to think that their threats dictate what other countries do with their military training procedures.

It's all stupid. North Korea is led by a brat and his actions have put millions of people in absolute terrible circumstances. You can't continue to let his tantrums and fist shaking run the show.
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Using brat and tantrum doesn't help your case, and reminds me of 2003 when the best of case of the US to invade Iraq was because 'Saddam was evil'. This isn't some school ground fight where someone wants to have the last word. The Iraq war (and it's price) would be a cakewalk compared to this. Another drill WILL lead to more attacks and very possibly a huge war with many millions dying. The US economy and global economy will go down the shitter once there's another major war going on. Plus probably China or Russia getting involved, spurring WW3. Who will we borrow the trillion dollars needed to go to another war? Definitely not China again, like we did with Iraq. No one wants this to happen, but by doing another drill, we are definitely instigating it.

And NK trying to take out SK as it's collapsing is a smaller chance of happening, than US/SK doing a drill and NK definitely retaliating with an attack. So I ask again, why is this drill so important to do again, and different from the last one 3 weeks ago? I could see if they had another in 6 months, but not even a month later?
 
If the government started shooting at people going toward food drops I think people might realize that something was not quite right there.

"We're killing you because it's in your best interest and in the best interest of Best Korea. Please stand back and don't approach the big boxes of food."
 
Mr. E. Yis said:
Using brat and tantrum doesn't help your case, and reminds me of 2003 when the best of case of the US to invade Iraq was because 'Saddam was evil'. This isn't some school ground fight where someone wants to have the last word. The Iraq war (and it's price) would be a cakewalk compared to this. Another drill WILL lead to more attacks and very possibly a huge war with many millions dying. The US economy and global economy will go down the shitter once there's another major war going on. Plus probably China or Russia getting involved, spurring WW3. Who will we borrow the trillion dollars needed to go to another war? Definitely not China again, like we did with Iraq. No one wants this to happen, but by doing another drill, we are definitely instigating it.

And NK trying to take out SK as it's collapsing is a smaller chance of happening, than US/SK doing a drill and NK definitely retaliating with an attack. So I ask again, why is this drill so important to do again, and different from the last one 3 weeks ago? I could see if they had another in 6 months, but not even a month later?
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World War 3 wont happen over North Korea, its not that essential to Russian or Chinese affairs in the big picture. Their economies are much more important than protecting NK. If NK keeps threatening attacks, SK should be prepared. Not running away from them.
 
Jeff-DSA said:
What happens when they invade your bubble via secret tunnels (which are most likely already there)? You can't stop them!
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We cover the entire floor of the dome in molten marshmallow fluff.
 
They're starving, you fool. They'll eat the fluff!

Edit: And that pic clearly shows a "dome entrance" right in the front. They'll just use that.
 
This war needs to happen I think for everyone's sake. Make it quick and painless, get China's permission somehow to lob off NK's head and then swoop down all at once shock and awe style. There will still be lots of casualties... but if we can avoid getting the major population centers involved I think the result will be a net good for the region and it will go a long way toward ending the China/US cold war bullshit before it can begin in earnest
 
Mr. E. Yis said:
Using brat and tantrum doesn't help your case, and reminds me of 2003 when the best of case of the US to invade Iraq was because 'Saddam was evil'. This isn't some school ground fight where someone wants to have the last word. The Iraq war (and it's price) would be a cakewalk compared to this. Another drill WILL lead to more attacks and very possibly a huge war with many millions dying. The US economy and global economy will go down the shitter once there's another major war going on. Plus probably China or Russia getting involved, spurring WW3. Who will we borrow the trillion dollars needed to go to another war? Definitely not China again, like we did with Iraq. No one wants this to happen, but by doing another drill, we are definitely instigating it.

And NK trying to take out SK as it's collapsing is a smaller chance of happening, than US/SK doing a drill and NK definitely retaliating with an attack. So I ask again, why is this drill so important to do again, and different from the last one 3 weeks ago? I could see if they had another in 6 months, but not even a month later?
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NK is clearly in the wrong and backing down because they pitch a fit will only make them think such belligerent threats will make us kowtow next time
 
I'm tired of ignoring North Korea. I don't believe they are a serious threat at all, and neither does most of the world. The only threat they actually pose is their proximity to the vibrant, modern nation of SK. But When someone keeps poking you and poking you, you ask them to stop, and then they poke you again - what do you do? Glare angrily and say "no, seriously...dont fucking do that".

Then they start doing it again...now what? Actually hit the guy? nooo, come on, he's just poking you...maybe he's got aspergers and just doesn't realize he's being annoying as fuck. So you just avoid him and ignore him for a while. A few weeks pass and everything is alright, but then this kid shows up again! You look at him and immediately know what's coming.

*poke* *poke*

You roll your eyes and start to *sigh*, and then all of a sudden he winds up and decks you in the face! Right now, the international community is saying

"Hit me again...i dare you".

The problem is this has been going on for DECADES! And even though they're talking big talk (yeesh, what else is new) now about "serious repercussions," all NK is going to do now, like it says in that first article Dice posted, is some face-saving thing like firing into their own territory.

*poke* *poke*

I'm just really annoyed that NK still gets away with this shit. And would love to see that stupid regime toppled as soon as the torch gets passed to Jong-un.
 
Mr. E. Yis said:
Does the US and SK really need to another drill 3 weeks after their last one? I mean, REALLY, do they??? If that isn't "kicking the bee hive", I don't know what is. We know that NK will do worse than they did in last month's drill. We know it could start a major war that involves NK trying to use nuclear. The US and SK haven't forgotten their drill work that they a need a new one. We know that China and Russia see the drills as a major starting point for anything hostile that NK does.
If it's only a matter of time as you say before NK collapses, why don't we just wait and stop these drills that do absolutely nothing except provoke NK to go balls to the wall? Unless the US and SK really want a war - then they're doing everything right.
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The drills are completely immaterial. An end to routine drills would simply shift NK's blubbery to fishing or commercial flights being used to spy on NK assets.

Mr. E. Yis said:
And NK trying to take out SK as it's collapsing is a smaller chance of happening, than US/SK doing a drill and NK definitely retaliating with an attack. So I ask again, why is this drill so important to do again, and different from the last one 3 weeks ago? I could see if they had another in 6 months, but not even a month later?
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Do you know how often drills have taken place without incident?
 
Jeff-DSA said:
The communist bond between them. I can't see what else in beneficial to China in that relationship.
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Buffer state. They gain by having NK distract the opposing powers in the region and tie up resources and attention. NK poses little to no threat to them because they're utterly dependent on China for their continued autonomy, and make a good proxy antagonist on their behalf.
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
NK is clearly in the wrong and backing down because they pitch a fit will only make them think such belligerent threats will make us kowtow next time
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What does being in the 'wrong' matter when we're the instigators of the fight? If stopping millions from dying and billions of dollars from being wasted, means stopping a worthless drill that's just meant to show our manhood and instigate trouble, then why not?? NK's tin foil hats that the US is out to get them become more true by the instant.

bistromathics said:
I'm tired of ignoring North Korea. I don't believe they are a serious threat at all, and neither does most of the world. The only threat they actually pose is their proximity to the vibrant, modern nation of SK. But When someone keeps poking you and poking you, you ask them to stop, and then they poke you again - what do you do? Glare angrily and say "no, seriously...dont fucking do that".

Then they start doing it again...now what? Actually hit the guy? nooo, come on, he's just poking you...maybe he's got aspergers and just doesn't realize he's being annoying as fuck. So you just avoid him and ignore him for a while. A few weeks pass and everything is alright, but then this kid shows up again! You look at him and immediately know what's coming.

*poke* *poke*

You roll your eyes and start to *sigh*, and then all of a sudden he winds up and decks you in the face! Right now, the international community is saying

"Hit me again...i dare you".

The problem is this has been going on for DECADES! And even though they're talking big talk (yeesh, what else is new) now about "serious repercussions," all NK is going to do now, like it says in that first article Dice posted, is some face-saving thing like firing into their own territory.

*poke* *poke*

I'm just really annoyed that NK still gets away with this shit. And would love to see that stupid regime toppled as soon as the torch gets passed to Jong-un.
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(sigh)
You guys clearly haven't read my post saying that this is not a school yard game and this is serious stuff. So I'll explain this like you did for you to understand:

At recess, a bully is telling a wimp to give wet willies to the crazy kid in the corner. The bully will be the wimp's bodyguard, but they don't know (or don't care) that the crazy kid has a knife in his pocket. What do you think happens next? And why is the bully instigating in the first place?

Mindlog said:
The drills are completely immaterial. An end to routine drills would simply shift NK's blubbery to fishing or commercial flights being used to spy on NK assets.

Do you know how often drills took place without incident?
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We know that there WILL be an incident because of this one. And what does your question have anything to do with what I asked?? If they are immaterial, then wtf is the point except to instigate a war??
 
Mr. E. Yis said:
Using brat and tantrum doesn't help your case, and reminds me of 2003 when the best of case of the US to invade Iraq was because 'Saddam was evil'. This isn't some school ground fight where someone wants to have the last word. The Iraq war (and it's price) would be a cakewalk compared to this. Another drill WILL lead to more attacks and very possibly a huge war with many millions dying. The US economy and global economy will go down the shitter once there's another major war going on. Plus probably China or Russia getting involved, spurring WW3. Who will we borrow the trillion dollars needed to go to another war? Definitely not China again, like we did with Iraq. No one wants this to happen, but by doing another drill, we are definitely instigating it.

And NK trying to take out SK as it's collapsing is a smaller chance of happening, than US/SK doing a drill and NK definitely retaliating with an attack. So I ask again, why is this drill so important to do again, and different from the last one 3 weeks ago? I could see if they had another in 6 months, but not even a month later?
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Appeasement? Really?

Give into Kim this time, and next time the goal post will move. It'll just be something else which the South has done to "provoke the North". And Kim gets more and more of what he wants. Don't give the North an inch.. They'll take a mile.

Besides, there is nothing out of the ordinary with a miltary drill on ones border. Russia performs drills on the border with Canada! Kim isn't actually threatened by it in the slightest. He knows it's a show. The whole reason the North acts as if they are threatened is because they are a military state. It's in their best interests at home to portray the SK drill as a big threat to them, even if they know it isn't. Then they can play "homeland defender" and legitimize their power.

Buts it's reasonably the same purpose in the south. They're both just posturing on a pretty equal field, and each side knows it. No need to ask one side to back off. It's part of the game of deterrence.
 
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