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Not a single thread about Afghanistan? What happened to this board?
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belmarduk
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Nope. Afghanistan's failure. We destroyed Al-Qaida and killed Osama Bin Laden. It's not our fault the Afghanis are afraid to fight for their own country.
this is bullshit. Thousands of Afghan soldiers have died fighting the Taliban over the years
belmarduk
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Not enough to stop the Afghan government from falling within days. I hope the Afghanis enjoy Taliban rule because they will never get the investment the US made in them again.
DeaDPo0L84
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We can't discuss Afghanistan due to it being "political" yet the usual suspects are throwing political softballs followed by a jk in the covid thread and it's perfectly fine.
It's sad to say but if you want to discuss Afghanistan freely you can go to "the other place".
It's sad to say but if you want to discuss Afghanistan freely you can go to "the other place".
The Afghan army depended on American bombers and apache. When it was obvious the US wasn't going to continue assisting them that way, why would any soldier stay around? The Taliban was always going to fight back.
but to say they didn't fight is a bullshit lie. Thousands of them are dead, and they shouldn't be dismissed
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nush
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freely under the loosest sense of the word anyway.
belmarduk
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Nope. Most of them cowardly laid down their arms. I guess they belong to the Taliban now.
The thing about nation-building is that the people have to want it. That's why Germany, South Korea and Japan has all been so successful while Paleolithic countries like Afghanistan failed.
DeaDPo0L84
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Maybe freely was the wrong word, all the same the topic is at least there and it's more than what we got.
I collect VHS tapes
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fuck off
ManaByte
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So the Afghan soldiers who had been fighting and dying before this aren't actually dead. Someone should tell their families. Fucking ridiculous
Have you only been following this for the past few days?
belmarduk
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Never said they didn't.
Nah, I've been following this since at least 2009 and know several service members who have told me about the futility of this war. I will not ask them to fight again and I'm so glad that the president made this brave and difficult choice.
Prison Mike
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belmarduk
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If anything, it underscores the futility of the war in the first place... but I've talked about too much politics on here.
And there it is. Your boy looks bad, so let's throw some dead afghans under the bus. I'm done
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belmarduk
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Funny.. I remember people cheering on Trump as he met with the Taliban directly (excluding the Afghan government) The difference here is that I support withdrawal because its the morally correct thing to do. These dead Afghans of yours... how much longer of an occupation do you think they deserve? Another 20 years? 50? Forever?
belmarduk
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I hope you're right. Afghanistan is one of the most important conversations.
nush
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Politics got banned. We are mostly a PlayStation board with some other topics mixed in
no, Xbox board.
O-N-E
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Lol, there's a lot that people WANT to discuss.
AJUMP23
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Afghanistan is not merely the failure of US foreign policy across multiple presidents, but also military leaders blatantly lying to the American people. As have the leaders of multiple other countries. The western world failed dramatically in Afghanistan.
political points were scored at home by people but the country was never secured.
One thing about nation building is that it takes more than 20 years. You have to occupy and change hearts and minds for probably 3 generations. America spent over 60 years in Germany, and we are still in Japan and Korea.
Some other thoughts, the average age in Afghanistan is apparently around 18. So a very young country. The youth have now been betrayed and I am sure they will never forget what the west has done.
The one hope we have is the Taliban do not harbor radical Islamist, but since they are radicals themselves it is inevitable.
political points were scored at home by people but the country was never secured.
One thing about nation building is that it takes more than 20 years. You have to occupy and change hearts and minds for probably 3 generations. America spent over 60 years in Germany, and we are still in Japan and Korea.
Some other thoughts, the average age in Afghanistan is apparently around 18. So a very young country. The youth have now been betrayed and I am sure they will never forget what the west has done.
The one hope we have is the Taliban do not harbor radical Islamist, but since they are radicals themselves it is inevitable.
DanteFox
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This might sound stupid, but why can't we just colonize Afghanistan? If the people there are unwilling to fight for their sovereignty and the alternative is being ruled by the Taliban, why not be ruled by the U.S. and it essentially becomes a territory of the U.S. with all the benefits that brings? We get resources like oil and precious metals, and they get to live in peace and the women can be free and educated.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
The strongest military in the world has leadership that is worried about not offending people more than their job of killing enemies and breaking things. The world is a less safe place because of the way they responded, and how they fail to help the stranded Americans. Their press conference today had some real disastrous answers.
Not to mention all the weapons and equipment melee just gave the army of the Islamic caliphate.
Not to mention all the weapons and equipment melee just gave the army of the Islamic caliphate.
John McCain floated the idea around, but the backlash to it was so severe it killed his presidential campaign and the conversation became solely about how to eventually leave from both sides
Blond
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You do know there are US Troops right now saying how worried they are for their Afghan comrade’s, right? This is a bad take but I also understand why people have it, so…
nush
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12Goblins
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saw a post on era that very much echos my sentiment on the subject :
that Biden speech left a really bad taste in my mouth
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quickwhips
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I think this place is afraid of discussion. Everyone is a cuck and need a safe place.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
In order to have a proper discussion about Afghanistan you have to get political. That's not allowed here anymore thank god.
And the forum has functioned just fine btw in the days since the Afghanistan story became a thing without discussing it. So it's clear that we don't need to drag ourselves into a circle jerking shit show over it. There is nothing to be gained and everything to be lost.
And the forum has functioned just fine btw in the days since the Afghanistan story became a thing without discussing it. So it's clear that we don't need to drag ourselves into a circle jerking shit show over it. There is nothing to be gained and everything to be lost.
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I couldn't have written that any better.
It is a rewriting of history to pretend this is solely the fault of the Afghan military. They weren't good, lord knows there are plenty of stories about their incompetence, but they were fighting and dying against Taliban forces just earlier this year.
haxan7
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Why try to stir up shit on a forum? Look at yourself, being a drama queen.
Bernd Lauert
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World War 3 could break out and we wouldn't be able to discuss it here. Just a shower thought.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I really hope not because that is just a slippery slope. How do we measure what is important enough to bypass the rules or not? Does it have to be an international incident? Or does it just have to be embarrassing for a particular country? What if it involves a country that is less likely to be talked about than the US? Do we only talk about issues that affect major countries in a certain way? Or do we include such issues from everywhere?
EviLore
did a good thing by banning politics. It has led to a much more stable community as a whole. To open the door for CERTAIN political topics but not others would just be a fucking mess. It would be a black hole of bias and butthurt.
Pegasus Actual
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