You know, I was front row for that and I didn't feel like I had witnessed a five star match.....sure it was fun, but five stars? Nah.
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November Wrasslin |OT| CM Punk's Countdown to RESPECT
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You know, I was front row for that and I didn't feel like I had witnessed a five star match.....sure it was fun, but five stars? Nah.
Perspicacity
Banned
Yup, having watched it all the way through since it didn't really tell much story. I think it was basically Elgin kicking out of the superplex that got me into it, but fun is probably the best way of describing it.
I maintain that the Generico/Steen match from the first night was much better, but I was up front for that one as well.
Seeing a 30 something year old Shawn act like a 14 year old was never entertaining. He was always immature, it was part of his gimmick, but the DX stuff was just stupid. And it was so funny that 'oh we're rebels' when Stone Cold was doing it a thousand times better. Nevermind the fact that early DX was in every other segment on Raw in one way or another.
Even when Bret was the champ, he usually only come out once and it was for a match, and he'd do his crowd work before or after. Sometimes it would be because one of the Hart Foundation was having a match, but it was always related to him. DX would come out for no reason so Shawn and Hunter, pre voice cracking and all, could do their jokes that were never funny. Even Nash was funny every once in a while.
Even when Bret was the champ, he usually only come out once and it was for a match, and he'd do his crowd work before or after. Sometimes it would be because one of the Hart Foundation was having a match, but it was always related to him. DX would come out for no reason so Shawn and Hunter, pre voice cracking and all, could do their jokes that were never funny. Even Nash was funny every once in a while.
I maintain that Pac vs Low Ki from one of the Dragon Gate shows from that weekend was the best singles match I saw all weekend.
From the wrestling Observer:
Does this mean he will be in a 3 way at Wrestlemania or will he be facing the Rock at Wrestlemania without Cena?
If they do that then he loses at Survivor Series and then it seems like he will face Mick Foley at TLC and then enters the Rumble and wins it to face the rock.
Does this mean he will be in a 3 way at Wrestlemania or will he be facing the Rock at Wrestlemania without Cena?
If they do that then he loses at Survivor Series and then it seems like he will face Mick Foley at TLC and then enters the Rumble and wins it to face the rock.
Liquidsnake
Banned
I always rememeber the RAW where Shawn said he lost his smile. That was him at his height to me.
He's not losing at Survivor Series.
Perspicacity
Banned
I still haven't tried to get into DGUSA but I'm sure that sometime in the future I'll want to see their show over ROH if presented the option. As for my favourite match that weekend, sentimentality dictates I say Punk/Jericho...
Stop making me want to go to Wrestlemania again jerk.
I'm less sure of this now than I was before. Ryback "robbing" Punk of his legacy and cutting his reign just short of a full year would give Punk a ton of heel ammo for a few months, but smart money is still on Punk retaining.
British Monsoon
Member
It was a great match for sure, and the crowd were super into it, but I can't understand why some are still calling it match of the year. It's probably the best ROH main event of the year, as a lot of the Steen title defences have generally been more on the crazy brawl side of things, but as Persp said, there really isn't any story to the match and Davey takes so much punishment. It's pretty much the opposite of Tanahashi vs Suzuki, which had no head-drops, no near-falls and was 100% storytelling and psychology.
Dark Ninja
Member
Punk is at least going to get to that Raw before breaking Cena's record
Basically people have thrown out 3 ideas on how this is going to go:
1. Punk holds the title till Rumble and loses to the Rock. This results in Cena and Rock at wrestlemania.
2. Punk loses the title at the Rumble to the Rock. Then a 3-way happens at Wrestlemania.
3. Punk loses before the Rumble. Wins it and then faces Rock for the title at Wrestlemania.
So what one do you want to happen?
KUSHIDA vs Mascara Dorada might be the best match I've seen all year. You've got Dorada who's been given so many chances, and is one of the biggest things in Mexico. Hell, probably the biggest breakout Luchador star since Mistico, and KUSHIDA who's also a young lion who's been trying to prove himself forever who gets so many chances but never a 'big' one.
I wasn't a huge KUSHIDA fan, but I love him after that match and Time Splitters(which is better than Machine Guns, imo)
I wasn't a huge KUSHIDA fan, but I love him after that match and Time Splitters(which is better than Machine Guns, imo)
Meltzer actually gave it his five star rating, which I could see if it propelled Elgin to big star status like everyone said it would, but it really didn't do that much for him.
Nocturnowl
Member
Well fuck, at least there were a few decent years sprinkled throughout though right? RIGHT?!
No. And shit, I would argue that 2000 was a pretty crappy year too.
Nocturnowl
Member
Okay you've just lost your Soul Playa, 2000 was awesome.
Welcome to the club.
The Kurt Angle years
Nowhere near as good as 97, 98, or 99. Whatever, though, 2000 was certainly a lot better than anything in the past decade (Kane title run, notwithstanding).
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Now I'm sure you've ALL seen the latest episode of Go-Busters but for the few here who haven't
It was not a good lariat
It was not a good lariat
British Monsoon
Member
I think the House of Truth implosion storyline didn't do him any favours - it has dragged on way too long, as Cornette kept teasing and teasing Elgin's face turn, when in the minds of the fans it had already happened and he was over. Also, as much as I know I'm going to love Steen vs Generico in the ladder war, I think they should have spent 2012 building Elgin up to defeat Steen at Final Battle.
Jeff Albertson
Member
It's only a matter of time till someone debuts in NXT as Jeff Albertson
Nocturnowl
Member
I feel his face run in 2001 and feud with Austin is pretty underrated.
PPV quality kicks the shit out of 98 and 99 I can say that much, late 99 was also a bet bleh, now 2000 was pretty much quality from top to bottom.
A main event HHH that is actually a plus and not a negative, the best tag team division, stacked roster, you underestimate 2000, what it lacks in the big moments that get overly repeated on best of Raw related stuff it makes up for in consistency.
OK, fine. 2000 was great. The point is, it's arguably the last good year (2001 was OK), and it was TWELVE YEARS AGO!!!
WHY ARE WE WATCHING THIS?!?!
I know why me and you watch it Owl, but what's everyone else's excuse?
I really like NXT. Some of the roster is pretty silly though. I don't like the dude that counts to 5. The crazy African dude is cool though
Jeff Albertson
Member
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I don't watch Go-Busters either but when I saw they did a wrestling related episode I just HAD to take a gander.
British Monsoon
Member
I fast forward most of it, and get my wrestling fix elsewhere.
2001 had wrestle mania 17 (GOAT mania) plus early hopes of WCW guys coming in, rock coming back for appearances, roster was packed top to bottom. so 2001 was fantastic. it was the last great year for me, booker t-rock, angle-austin, tag teams
by 2002 you could feel the fall coming
by 2003 HHH's reign of terror said you should stop watching
Perspicacity
Banned
Smackdown! was a shining beacon through some of the worst years of WWE. 2009 and 2004 were especially good for Smackdown while Raw was the shits. Nowadays Smackdown! doesn't even have a separate identity, let alone any compelling reason to watch.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
When did Smackdown turn to shit?
Because it's not THAT bad really. Plenty of good stuff happened, like Edge, Punk, recently everything Bryan, monster Henry, recent Kane and - goddammit- AJ!!
Nocturnowl
Member
Well Persp is right that 2009 was actually pretty good for a bit, it turned to shit when Batista got moved back to Smackdown, sorry Sunflower but until his heel turn he shat up the joint.
When Mark Henry and Daniel Bryan were champion Smackdown was on fire and the ratings were great. When Sheamus won in April it hasn't been the same.
Dark Ninja
Member
Same.....TATAAA~~~~
If you made it past the John Cena reign of terror than i salute you. Not only was this guy burrying guys in the ring but on mic too(In a bad way). Cena was getting shoved down everybody's throats so hard, right now is actually good as its a break from Cena in a way. He's gonna be in WWE for another 10 years atleast so get ready for another reign
Punk was useless up until his heel turn, monster Henry was a few months (and that's just one piece of the show). Edge was spinning his wheels and doing nothing interesting for some years before he retired. AJ's role on the show (how they book her) has been pretty bad since the moment Kane left the love triangle angle (not trying to be a Kane fan here, but it's the truth, they just started booking her as super slut/authority figure, since the moment he left).
Either way, you add up all this stuff, and it's a minor part of the show. The vast majority of the show is irrelevant, recaps, product placement, or just plain bad.
1999 is TERRIBLE. All around TERRIBLE. It was Russo at his peak of wacky in WWE. It's amazing how instantly the shows got better in October/November of 1999 when Russo and Oklahoma went to WCW. 2000 is one of the best in ring years in WWE history. Except the Royal Rumble that year. THAT might be the shittiest Rumble of all time. 80% of it was just guys low blowing each other. Just the whole match, everyone getting hit in the balls. There were a few entrants who the FIRST THING they did when they entered the match was make sure to hit everyone in the ring in the dick.
Glass half full is me.
Perspicacity
Banned
Hard to place an exact point on it, but letting Mysterio and then Big Show obliterate the SES in 2010 certainly didn't do them any favors. Shortly after that Raw got pretty hot with the Nexus angle, which lead to the trend of Raw leeching Smackdown's talent for the big Raw angles. So yeah, I'll say summer 2010 is probably when Smackdown turned a corner down a bad alley.
Actually yeah, Hall Pain was amazing as was the Daniel Bryan/Show feud. But that was a very brief period of time in an otherwise mediocre period. It should also be noted that some of D Brine and Henry's best moments came on the Raw Supershow not Smackdown.
I thought RR 2000 was great. . . . . . .
slightconfuse
Banned
i started watching TNA during the john cena reign or terror. i jsut got bac into watching wrestling and by the summer i was tired of his stick. Led me to following ROH and TNA more.
2001 migth have been the peak for wwe. with maybe 2011 being a clsoe second. they jsut drop the ball too many times and refuse to push anyone other than cena.
Smackdown was good during the edge stuff
2001 migth have been the peak for wwe. with maybe 2011 being a clsoe second. they jsut drop the ball too many times and refuse to push anyone other than cena.
Smackdown was good during the edge stuff
Well yeah. Most of the current WWE fans don't know who the real stars in the company are. It's all about John Cena to them.
We all started out as a Little Jimmy once.
I liked various wrasslers when I was a little jimmy though.
Then again, the current roster is pretty weak so I guess they can't be blamed for being so big on Cena.