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Great Wasabi Man
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I consider that a con...you don't get to see any of the slaughter and to see mr Darth "I'm to evil for my pants" Vader break down like a bitch with such horrible acting I wanted to break down and cry that I paid to see this crap,
Aside from the horrible editing, Darth Maul dying, and Jake Lyodd acting durng the ending EP1 isn't all that bad.
Why can't people spell "Lloyd" ? It really isn't that hard! It's my name, even my mother-in-law screws it up.
In TESB, on Bespin, Vader and both droids are in the same room quite a bit.
Again, it just seems too convenient. And, it is unnecessary to the story (other than simply to have a reason to have 3PO in the prequels).
In TESB, on Bespin, Vader and both droids are in the same room quite a bit.
Again, it just seems too convenient. And, it is unnecessary to the story (other than simply to have a reason to have 3PO in the prequels).
Spiritreaver
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I think, like with ESB we should really hold our judgements on AOTC. Sure it seems greater now, but to others, including myself, it's start to wear thin on my nerves. Mainly because of the same reason ESB wasn't accepted quite as well, it has no ending. It simply just moves the story along but everything is incredibly depressing and it only leaves us thinking of ROTS as opposed to the film itself. It feels so meh for me at the moment.
I used to love it so much more than TPM, but lately I've grown to enjoy TPM far more. The emotion, the duel, and the intensity seems to take what AOTC but with more of feeling. Sure the clones and Yoda were amazing, but I didn't really feel anything when it was going on. They aren't fighting for their lives in a sense, but just putting to rest the evil. The OT they are fighting for so much more, the universe is literally enslaved by this new power. Naboo was falling under a similar situation. AOTC lacked the continuation of that feeling. It was just about putting down the rebellion with little mentioning of the Sith as a great power. Yes there was Dooku and Sidious, but in the entire sceheme of things, they did very little directly. It just felt like more was at stake.
ROTS will certain trump them both I think, by far. It is definitely the darkest of the six films, and has little merry points to it. Just the glimmering hope thatis Luke and Leia and the rest of the last remnants of a group that had for so long protected so many people from the evils of the universe. Very sad. I can't wait to finally get to see this film.
Haha, I thought my sister and I were the only ones. It's given off horribly, he sounds like a whining little brat who's even worse off than Hayden at times. Like father like son I guess.
I used to love it so much more than TPM, but lately I've grown to enjoy TPM far more. The emotion, the duel, and the intensity seems to take what AOTC but with more of feeling. Sure the clones and Yoda were amazing, but I didn't really feel anything when it was going on. They aren't fighting for their lives in a sense, but just putting to rest the evil. The OT they are fighting for so much more, the universe is literally enslaved by this new power. Naboo was falling under a similar situation. AOTC lacked the continuation of that feeling. It was just about putting down the rebellion with little mentioning of the Sith as a great power. Yes there was Dooku and Sidious, but in the entire sceheme of things, they did very little directly. It just felt like more was at stake.
ROTS will certain trump them both I think, by far. It is definitely the darkest of the six films, and has little merry points to it. Just the glimmering hope thatis Luke and Leia and the rest of the last remnants of a group that had for so long protected so many people from the evils of the universe. Very sad. I can't wait to finally get to see this film.
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Haha, I thought my sister and I were the only ones. It's given off horribly, he sounds like a whining little brat who's even worse off than Hayden at times. Like father like son I guess.
Spiritreaver
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Schafer said:
Half right. 3PO is in the carbon freezing chamber where Vader is present. 3PO even yells at Chewbacca as he cries when Han is frozen.
ManaByte
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Obi-Wan never saw Threepio in Episodes I or II. And Vader never ran into him in the OT except in the freezing chamber, although he did in the ESB: Infinities comic where he knew it was his creation. What did you expect Vader to do in ESB when they were freezing Han? Shout out, "Hey, that's my droid!"
Warm Machine
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Great Wasabi Man said:
What horrible editing? If you are talking about Lucas weaving the 4 action scenes together at the end I think it worked quite well.
Phantom Menace had the most effects shots of any movie up to that point and also the most photorealistic effects. Attack of the Clones is one of the first major movies shot on 24p high definition digital and has even more effects shots than any previous movie.
Clones is a movie with a very particular style. Most people just don't get it when they see it because they somewhat rightly expect it to be in the homogenous Star Wars style. The film is meant to look and feel like an old fashioned Buck Rogers style 1930s serial as well as films from the Harryhausen age transported in the modern age. Some shots from the film are taken DIRECTLY from these movies as are some of the costumes. The dialouge and its delivery is also part of this style.
I believe the film is shot in this style this because of the size, weight, and difficulty moving the camera they were using. If you note while watching the film, the majority of the shots are eye level and many of the compositions take advantage of the wide format. This is the same methods used back in the older fantasy film days.
Great Wasabi Man
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Schafer said:
I thought the same thing that he was in the room but I thought abou tit and your right...3PO is blasted when he sees the strom troopers and R2 is on Dagoba
Cause I'm TypoMan....and life goes one....don't sweat the small stuff
I dunno it's just my opinion but when the action picks up it cuts to another scenes then again then again...it's like watching a movie through the eyese of someone with extreme ADD.
Great Wasabi Man
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Mana, whats that avatar from?
Great Wasabi Man
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ManaByte said:
cool, I still need to get the set, my GFs getting it for my Bday monday...all attepts to make her get it for me earily failed
JoshuaJSlone
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I'm not sure how much you and I mean the same thing, but I have realized that "Rebels taking on the Empire!" is just a lot funner concept to get into than "Politician mismanages Republic into Empire."DopeyFish said:
Certainly agreed. Non-stupid/slapstick levity would be nice.
The coincidental nature I'm willing to just give away, as the movies are full of coincidence... and really one could argue that it's the Force causing these coincidental things. As for no recurring characters making a mention of it, when would that happen? Obi-Wan returns as a ghost to mention that Luke's hated father built his droid? Vader remarks it nonchalantly to some general before he chokes him?Cafeman said:
IMHO both movies are like the bookend movies of the original trilogy.. cringe-worthy moments surrounded by an amazing story and action set pieces.
The acting is overall pretty bad in both movies (Neeson and McGregor aside), but the setup and much of the action is incredible. In that sense they are right up there with 4 and 6. The only movie that is generally flwless is Empire. IMHO I and II aren't anyworse than all of the other movies except for Empire.
My only real complaints with the prequels are that coming from a storytelling perspective, the way George has handled them there is no suspense. We know Obi-Wan lives. We know Anakin turns into Vader. We know Padme dies. We know Palpatine/Sidious is evil and will take over the galaxy. etc etc etc.. IMHO Lucas should have given us real suspense or surprises. Obi-wan as a clone. Sidious as a clone. Qui-Gonn didn't really die. A double agent. SOMETHING.
Don't get me wrong, I love the prequel trilogy for what it is.. But watching episode 1-3 when you've already seen 4-6 kind of ends up ruining 1-3.. needless to say, my daughter will be watching them in the "correct" order. Note that I am not saying it was always the correct order, but with the way lucas has done these it really seems like he intends you to watch them 1-6 in a row. otherwise 1-3 hold virtually no suspense or unknown plots.
The acting is overall pretty bad in both movies (Neeson and McGregor aside), but the setup and much of the action is incredible. In that sense they are right up there with 4 and 6. The only movie that is generally flwless is Empire. IMHO I and II aren't anyworse than all of the other movies except for Empire.
My only real complaints with the prequels are that coming from a storytelling perspective, the way George has handled them there is no suspense. We know Obi-Wan lives. We know Anakin turns into Vader. We know Padme dies. We know Palpatine/Sidious is evil and will take over the galaxy. etc etc etc.. IMHO Lucas should have given us real suspense or surprises. Obi-wan as a clone. Sidious as a clone. Qui-Gonn didn't really die. A double agent. SOMETHING.
Don't get me wrong, I love the prequel trilogy for what it is.. But watching episode 1-3 when you've already seen 4-6 kind of ends up ruining 1-3.. needless to say, my daughter will be watching them in the "correct" order. Note that I am not saying it was always the correct order, but with the way lucas has done these it really seems like he intends you to watch them 1-6 in a row. otherwise 1-3 hold virtually no suspense or unknown plots.
Nah, Episode II > Episode I
Why?
Because it was just way too awesome seeing so many Jedis onscreen at the same time. It sucked that so many of them got brutally cut down (kind of tarnishes the whole invincible Jedi image) and the scene could have been longer and just a bit more epic but on the whole, it was definitely worth remembering.
Even though Yoda doing his thing was funny and weird but it was also an eye-opener at the same time. C'mon guys, its the only time ever that we witnessed the true power of Yoda.
Anakin dual-wielding lightsabers was pretty cool as well........
Why?
Because it was just way too awesome seeing so many Jedis onscreen at the same time. It sucked that so many of them got brutally cut down (kind of tarnishes the whole invincible Jedi image) and the scene could have been longer and just a bit more epic but on the whole, it was definitely worth remembering.
Even though Yoda doing his thing was funny and weird but it was also an eye-opener at the same time. C'mon guys, its the only time ever that we witnessed the true power of Yoda.
Anakin dual-wielding lightsabers was pretty cool as well........
Excrement >>>>>>>>...>>>>> Star Wars (original) >>>>>>>>>...>>>>>>>>> Episode 1 >>>> Episode 2. Attack of the Clones really does suck. Phantom Menace is better only b/c it's the first bastardization of the series. It wasn't exactly a good movie, but it was better than that pos Ep2. Hayden Christensen actually sucked more than that little turd they cast for the first one. That says a lot. Then again, my opinion doesn't count since I think the whole series is overrated shlock. PEACE.
What? Star Wars is my favorite film out of the bunch. I don't know how you could rank it as the boring one in the series, as one set of characters or another are in constant peril in that film.
Anyway, I still think Episode II > Episode I, and so do most folks in this thread, it seems.
Clones just had more action than Phantom Menace, and the opening car chase, Obi Wan's detective work on the clones, the Jango Fett fight, the arena battle, the Yoda lightsabre duel, etc. all held my interest. Yes, the love affair scenes grated hard, but not as bad as Jar-Jar, and overall EP2 wasn't nearly as boring.
Episode I is a movie about a friggin' tariff dispute for God's sake.
Anyway, I still think Episode II > Episode I, and so do most folks in this thread, it seems.
Clones just had more action than Phantom Menace, and the opening car chase, Obi Wan's detective work on the clones, the Jango Fett fight, the arena battle, the Yoda lightsabre duel, etc. all held my interest. Yes, the love affair scenes grated hard, but not as bad as Jar-Jar, and overall EP2 wasn't nearly as boring.
Episode I is a movie about a friggin' tariff dispute for God's sake.
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Forget this debate... the real truth is that
Star Wars > LOTR
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Star Wars > LOTR
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Both had periods of poor acting, dialogue, effects, etc. Neither is a great film.
...but I enjoyed Episode II more. Something about the way the story was told, the way the scenes were paced... appealed to me more. The settings were also more interesting, so far as I can remember. The planet with the thunder and rain was great. I also liked the ending of Ep II since it necessarily builds up anticipation for Ep III.
But the Yoda battle was a travesty.
To be fair, I need to see Episode I again. But if we were only allowed to see films once and experience them that way (such is real life), then I'd undoubtedly say Episode II is the better film, for whatever that's worth.
...but I enjoyed Episode II more. Something about the way the story was told, the way the scenes were paced... appealed to me more. The settings were also more interesting, so far as I can remember. The planet with the thunder and rain was great. I also liked the ending of Ep II since it necessarily builds up anticipation for Ep III.
But the Yoda battle was a travesty.
To be fair, I need to see Episode I again. But if we were only allowed to see films once and experience them that way (such is real life), then I'd undoubtedly say Episode II is the better film, for whatever that's worth.
soundwave05
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Since Episode I and II are both bad movies, I think you have to pick out the best element of the two films, and for me, by far it's this ...
So Episode I wins.
Plus Episode I has Liam Neeson, who's far and away the best actor in the prequels thus far.
When Maul paces back and forth in front of the energy field like a panther on the hunt and Qui-Gon just sits down and calmly meditates ... that is far and away the coolest moment in the prequels. Just so freaking bad ass.
And I like the "look" of Episode I better (shot on film vs. digital) and John Williams' Ep. I score is a bit better than his Ep. 2 work IMO.
So Episode I wins.
Plus Episode I has Liam Neeson, who's far and away the best actor in the prequels thus far.
When Maul paces back and forth in front of the energy field like a panther on the hunt and Qui-Gon just sits down and calmly meditates ... that is far and away the coolest moment in the prequels. Just so freaking bad ass.
And I like the "look" of Episode I better (shot on film vs. digital) and John Williams' Ep. I score is a bit better than his Ep. 2 work IMO.
The action sequences in Episode 1 were better than in Episode II, I think. The composition and editing of the final huge ass battle was just crap. You got no epic feel, it wasn't very exciting, and it was horribly obvious that it was all CG. Of course, it doesn't help that the Two Towers came out that same year and blew the shit out of Ep II in terms of battle sequences.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Willco said:
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Yes. Episode One is miles better than Episode Two. Attack of the Clones is very very bad. I disliked it the first time I saw it, but now when it shows up on HBO late at night, I realize just how unwatchable it really is.
With The Phantom Menace, I think that Lucas was at least trying to do his own thing, rightly or wrongly. Clones just feels like a cheap cash-in on the Star Wars hype. Boba Fett bounty hunter character? Check. Asteroid field chase? Check. Terrible incongruous one-liners that worked in the original trilogy? Check. Rehash rehash rehash rehash, either of earlier Star Wars movies or sci-fi movies in general. JUST BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A HOMAGE TO FLASH GORDON AND HARRYHAUSEN AND THE FUCKING SEARCHERS DOESN"T EXCUSE IT FOR MAKING ME VOMIT IN MY POPCORN.
With The Phantom Menace, I think that Lucas was at least trying to do his own thing, rightly or wrongly. Clones just feels like a cheap cash-in on the Star Wars hype. Boba Fett bounty hunter character? Check. Asteroid field chase? Check. Terrible incongruous one-liners that worked in the original trilogy? Check. Rehash rehash rehash rehash, either of earlier Star Wars movies or sci-fi movies in general. JUST BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A HOMAGE TO FLASH GORDON AND HARRYHAUSEN AND THE FUCKING SEARCHERS DOESN"T EXCUSE IT FOR MAKING ME VOMIT IN MY POPCORN.
Now that I think about it, I kind of agree with this. I didn't care for either movie in terms of plot and characters, but while I found Ep II to be better in those respects, the "cool scenes" of Ep 1 (the pod race and the fight with Darth Maul) outweigh anything else.soundwave05 said:Since Episode I and II are both bad movies, I think you have to pick out the best element of the two films, and for me, by far it's this ...
So Episode I wins.
Plus Episode I has Liam Neeson, who's far and away the best actor in the prequels thus far.
When Maul paces back and forth in front of the energy field like a panther on the hunt and Qui-Gon just sits down and calmly meditates ... that is far and away the coolest moment in the prequels. Just so freaking bad ass.
And I like the "look" of Episode I better (shot on film vs. digital) and John Williams' Ep. I score is a bit better than his Ep. 2 work IMO.
WTF is with the time-warp bump? I thought this was a new thread until I looked at the dates...
Checklist of things I hated in Eps. 1&2 (very incomplete):
- Jar-Jar
- Anakin
- C3PO and R2D2
- Hamfisted foreshadowing
- Pod racing
- Oops! I won the space battle!
- midichlorians
- Yoda attacks
- The droid factory scene
- Those stupid trade federation droids (Rogerroger... STFU!)
- Looove story
There's much more. BUt lucas has my $8 or $12 or whatever the heck I pay to watch a movie these days, despite the fact I've been unimpressed with both prequels. That's what I get for growing up with these movies. Thanks a lot, mom and dad.
I expect I might enjoy Ep. 3 a lot. First, because it may well be the best story because of what needs to happen and second, because it's the first time I don't have expectations. I had huge expectations for Ep. 1 and came away disappointed. I had hopes for Ep. 2, because it looked better in previews and I expected redemption. Didn't happen. Ep. 3, my expectations couldn't be lower.
For my contribution to the original discussion, I'd say that I liked elements of Ep. 1 better, but Ep. 2's superior "interstellar" element means I probably prefer it more overall. I think key action sequences are weak in both movies, but whatever... now looking towards Episode 3.
Checklist of things I hated in Eps. 1&2 (very incomplete):
- Jar-Jar
- Anakin
- C3PO and R2D2
- Hamfisted foreshadowing
- Pod racing
- Oops! I won the space battle!
- midichlorians
- Yoda attacks
- The droid factory scene
- Those stupid trade federation droids (Rogerroger... STFU!)
- Looove story
There's much more. BUt lucas has my $8 or $12 or whatever the heck I pay to watch a movie these days, despite the fact I've been unimpressed with both prequels. That's what I get for growing up with these movies. Thanks a lot, mom and dad.
I expect I might enjoy Ep. 3 a lot. First, because it may well be the best story because of what needs to happen and second, because it's the first time I don't have expectations. I had huge expectations for Ep. 1 and came away disappointed. I had hopes for Ep. 2, because it looked better in previews and I expected redemption. Didn't happen. Ep. 3, my expectations couldn't be lower.
For my contribution to the original discussion, I'd say that I liked elements of Ep. 1 better, but Ep. 2's superior "interstellar" element means I probably prefer it more overall. I think key action sequences are weak in both movies, but whatever... now looking towards Episode 3.
radioheadrule83
Banned
The first two prequels could have been made a lot better if they were snappier. That's why the Phantom Edit rumors excited so many people IMO. The first film drags around the political themes and Tatooine before the pod race in the middle of the film. The entire film is unnecessary exposition. Attack of The Clones is much snappier, by way of splitting Anikan and Obi Wan up. The Kamino, Obi Wan investigation, and Anikan at the Tusken settlement scenes are all well interspersed. The last 30 minutes is just pure action. To be more specific about elements I didn't like:
TPM
Phantom Menace starts well on board the Trade Federation ship. It's snappy and exciting. When Qui Gon started burning through the door, the atmosphere in the theatre was tangible... it's ruined the second they land on Naboo.
Ota Gunga is crap. The gungans are for the most part bearable outside of Jar Jar.
Jar Jar would have been okay if he were not so overdone. He is high pitched and loud to the point of offensiveness, but in smaller doses I could have found him more amusing.
With so many prematurely adult-minded child actors out there, they seemed to have chosen the worst child actor imaginable. That might be a cruel thing to say... so perhaps lines like "Yipee!" didn't help. As wonderful as the innocence of a child is, it was just annoying in this film.
AOTC
Again another great start. Explosions in the first few minutes again! They replace this with a bit of tension: "We will not exceed our mandate" - "Why!?" - "What?" and uncomfortable expressions on all around was a good moment that the movie could have done with more of.
Before you know it you're in a speeder chase, the bounty hunter is introduced, Obi Wan is on his way to Kamino and Anikan is escorting Padme around.
The love scenes are cringe worthy, but I don't think the fireside scene was as bad as some people think it is.
Dex's diner threw me off. A 50s diner long ago, in a galaxy far away? Right...
"The Banking clan will sign your treaty" -- worst. effect. ever. Jesus christ, on the extra disc documentaries GL is pretty fucking harsh on the guys doing the digital Yoda... he dropped the ball on this guy!
It's forgivable because all of the action is so great, and a homage to so many films, but the arena creatures were a bit cartoonish for me.
Everything else about these films I loved. I'm not expecting art when I go to see these movies, I'm expecting a real good time. And that's what I got for the most part.
They needed more English ppl in the prequels though. They seem to deliver corny dialogue in an acceptable way. Darth Maul, Dooku, Qui Gon Jinn, Obi Wan, The Emperor, Tarkin, Vader... they were all played by or voiced by English (British/UKers... Scottish in the case of McDiarmid) actors, and they tend to be the fan favourites.
Think:
"Good. Our first catch of the day"
Think Tarkin and dozens upon dozens of Death Star and starship underlings.
In Episode III we've got cheese coming from the likes of Greivous which could potentially be unbearable:
But either way, Episode III is doing a lot of things right. The first one was contrasted by the second, and that by the third. The technology has taken gradually more angular steps towards what we see in a new hope and in this film we've got the closest we'll ever see to Tie/Xwing prototypes, Tantive IV etc. It's tempting to side with the haters and say that George fucked up the first two horrifically on all accounts... but I think he's created a childrens fantasy film full of naivity, and evolved it darker and darker still until we have what we have in Episode III. Sure its still hammy sci fi, but I'm glad it's all been does to his whim and not some exec's who would have filled it with typical 21st century "bad ass" bombast (or bullshit. From a certain point of view).
And visually --- you can pause any of the prequels at a given point and have this beautiful still, with things you just don't see in other movies. It may not be shakespeare or a literary masterpiece converted to film such as Tolkiens -- but for fans like myself, it's still very fucking good stuff.
I am PUMPED!
TPM
Phantom Menace starts well on board the Trade Federation ship. It's snappy and exciting. When Qui Gon started burning through the door, the atmosphere in the theatre was tangible... it's ruined the second they land on Naboo.
Ota Gunga is crap. The gungans are for the most part bearable outside of Jar Jar.
Jar Jar would have been okay if he were not so overdone. He is high pitched and loud to the point of offensiveness, but in smaller doses I could have found him more amusing.
With so many prematurely adult-minded child actors out there, they seemed to have chosen the worst child actor imaginable. That might be a cruel thing to say... so perhaps lines like "Yipee!" didn't help. As wonderful as the innocence of a child is, it was just annoying in this film.
AOTC
Again another great start. Explosions in the first few minutes again! They replace this with a bit of tension: "We will not exceed our mandate" - "Why!?" - "What?" and uncomfortable expressions on all around was a good moment that the movie could have done with more of.
Before you know it you're in a speeder chase, the bounty hunter is introduced, Obi Wan is on his way to Kamino and Anikan is escorting Padme around.
The love scenes are cringe worthy, but I don't think the fireside scene was as bad as some people think it is.
Dex's diner threw me off. A 50s diner long ago, in a galaxy far away? Right...
"The Banking clan will sign your treaty" -- worst. effect. ever. Jesus christ, on the extra disc documentaries GL is pretty fucking harsh on the guys doing the digital Yoda... he dropped the ball on this guy!
It's forgivable because all of the action is so great, and a homage to so many films, but the arena creatures were a bit cartoonish for me.
Everything else about these films I loved. I'm not expecting art when I go to see these movies, I'm expecting a real good time. And that's what I got for the most part.
They needed more English ppl in the prequels though. They seem to deliver corny dialogue in an acceptable way. Darth Maul, Dooku, Qui Gon Jinn, Obi Wan, The Emperor, Tarkin, Vader... they were all played by or voiced by English (British/UKers... Scottish in the case of McDiarmid) actors, and they tend to be the fan favourites.
Think:
"Good. Our first catch of the day"
Think Tarkin and dozens upon dozens of Death Star and starship underlings.
Tarkin is in Episode III according to some reports, played by one of the guys from Farscape, who seems a really good fit.
In Episode III we've got cheese coming from the likes of Greivous which could potentially be unbearable:
"I have an appointment with an escape pod. And you... you have an appointment with Death! Ha ha ha ha!!"
But either way, Episode III is doing a lot of things right. The first one was contrasted by the second, and that by the third. The technology has taken gradually more angular steps towards what we see in a new hope and in this film we've got the closest we'll ever see to Tie/Xwing prototypes, Tantive IV etc. It's tempting to side with the haters and say that George fucked up the first two horrifically on all accounts... but I think he's created a childrens fantasy film full of naivity, and evolved it darker and darker still until we have what we have in Episode III. Sure its still hammy sci fi, but I'm glad it's all been does to his whim and not some exec's who would have filled it with typical 21st century "bad ass" bombast (or bullshit. From a certain point of view).
And visually --- you can pause any of the prequels at a given point and have this beautiful still, with things you just don't see in other movies. It may not be shakespeare or a literary masterpiece converted to film such as Tolkiens -- but for fans like myself, it's still very fucking good stuff.
I am PUMPED!
radioheadrule83
Banned
Sorry
And my favourite Jar Jar moment is:
"Nooo given up Jar Jar! Weesa thinka something!"
"My give up! My give up!"
And my favourite Jar Jar moment is:
"Nooo given up Jar Jar! Weesa thinka something!"
"My give up! My give up!"
soundwave05
Member
Yeah I never really thought of that, but "corny" dialouge is more paltable when a British actor is saying it.
Then again, Han and Leia have some the best lines in the OT ...
Then again, Han and Leia have some the best lines in the OT ...
my. freaking. god...
Is this a prequel trilogy thread with a noticeable lack of bashing? Am I dead??? Must be because I am in heaven!!
Ok, first things first. To those compalining about the "trade route dispute" of Episode I... harry on AICN really said it best. The prequel trilogy is setup not for the rise of Vader, which we were all lead to believe, but for the rise of the empire and the emperor... that is where there is so much anger I think towards the movies (well, that and the general level of acting and the horrible dialogue).
The prequel trilogy is here to set the ENTIRE basis for the OT. Not only how Vader was created, but how they went from prosperous times to the dark times, how the emperor came to power, how the thousand senators turned into the rebellion (I really thought the separatists would turn into the rebellion), and how everything went from really sparkly and shiny to looking like it had gone through hell and back. IMHO (aside form the acting and dialogue) Lucas has far exceeded my expectations with the PT. I have more Star Wars here than I ever really hoped for. No, not as much action as many of you (and maybe me to a degree) would have liked... but I don't read a Star Wars novel flipping through to the next action sequence and I don't watch a Star Wars movie flipping to the next lightsaber battle. I love the first half of ANH (virtually no action), love the scenes on dagobah (virtually no action) and love the PT.
As to which one is better of the existing two.... as much as it pains me to have to agree with Willco on something, I have to agree that I is better than II. IMHO the musical score is better, the overall level of acting is better, the climactic saber battle is better, and I respected lucas for not giving a shit what fans WANTED to see but instead gave them the story he wanted to tell... and it was interesting. Of course all of that being said the Phantom Edit is a much tighter movie. no midi-chlorians, less jar jar, a faster pace.... but overall the story in Epi1 is better than Ep2... not way better... but better... so far my star wars list looks like this
5 > 4 > 1 > 2 > 6
now unlike many of you this is not to say ROTJ or AOTC suck.. I still love both and think both are OUTSTANDING movies... but this is definitely mt order of preference...
Is this a prequel trilogy thread with a noticeable lack of bashing? Am I dead??? Must be because I am in heaven!!
Ok, first things first. To those compalining about the "trade route dispute" of Episode I... harry on AICN really said it best. The prequel trilogy is setup not for the rise of Vader, which we were all lead to believe, but for the rise of the empire and the emperor... that is where there is so much anger I think towards the movies (well, that and the general level of acting and the horrible dialogue).
The prequel trilogy is here to set the ENTIRE basis for the OT. Not only how Vader was created, but how they went from prosperous times to the dark times, how the emperor came to power, how the thousand senators turned into the rebellion (I really thought the separatists would turn into the rebellion), and how everything went from really sparkly and shiny to looking like it had gone through hell and back. IMHO (aside form the acting and dialogue) Lucas has far exceeded my expectations with the PT. I have more Star Wars here than I ever really hoped for. No, not as much action as many of you (and maybe me to a degree) would have liked... but I don't read a Star Wars novel flipping through to the next action sequence and I don't watch a Star Wars movie flipping to the next lightsaber battle. I love the first half of ANH (virtually no action), love the scenes on dagobah (virtually no action) and love the PT.
As to which one is better of the existing two.... as much as it pains me to have to agree with Willco on something, I have to agree that I is better than II. IMHO the musical score is better, the overall level of acting is better, the climactic saber battle is better, and I respected lucas for not giving a shit what fans WANTED to see but instead gave them the story he wanted to tell... and it was interesting. Of course all of that being said the Phantom Edit is a much tighter movie. no midi-chlorians, less jar jar, a faster pace.... but overall the story in Epi1 is better than Ep2... not way better... but better... so far my star wars list looks like this
5 > 4 > 1 > 2 > 6
now unlike many of you this is not to say ROTJ or AOTC suck.. I still love both and think both are OUTSTANDING movies... but this is definitely mt order of preference...
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