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[Ridley327]

I wonder why Nintendo wouldn't mention that; I mean, it's not like it's a different game beyond the physical goodies it comes with.

 

[metalslimer]

Are you seriously comparing sales of a non-holiday month to the same month last year when the system received a massive 33% price drop?

If you are serious and not trolling what do you think matters more, hardware sold in August or hardware sold in November and December?

While heavy is being hyperbolic nintendo expects to ship 18 million units and nsmb2 and the xl were a huge part of that plan. If the 3ds wont put up similar numbers then nintendo is going to have a hard reality come end of fiscal year

 

[Seda]

I know creamsugar already tells us that Kingdom Hearts was above 200k. NPD stated to Siliconera: "It pushes the number well beyond 200k.” Figured I'd share.

 

[Mpl90]

Since we know that the XL did around 80k, and that the MoM Edition did better than one of the 3DS XL SKUs, I'd say we're looking at a 215-220k debut for KH3D.

 

[allan-bh]

sorry i dont want to read back several pages to where i last left off, no new hardware? ps3/wii numbers?

We only know this:

PS3- 140k-150k

Wii- 60k-70k

 

[Ridley327]

Since we know that the XL did around 80k, and that the MoM Edition did better than one of the 3DS XL SKUs, I'd say we're looking at a 215-220k debut for KH3D.

That puts it right on par with what BBS did in its first month, right? Not bad for a system with a substantially smaller userbase, but you gotta think that the constant spin-offs are doing more harm for KH than good.

 

[Nirolak]

Since we know that the XL did around 80k, and that the MoM Edition did better than one of the 3DS XL SKUs, I'd say we're looking at a 215-220k debut for KH3D.

This would quite close.

I'll update the OP to reflect over 200K.

 

[Hero]

While heavy is being hyperbolic nintendo expects to ship 18 million units and nsmb2 and the xl were a huge part of that plan. If the 3ds wont put up similar numbers then nintendo is going to have a hard reality come end of fiscal year

The question I asked Heavy can apply to you as well: Which do you think is an overall better gauge of how well the 3DS is going to do: hardware numbers in August or numbers in November and December?

 

[A Human Becoming]

We only know this:

PS3- 140k-150k

Wii- 60k-70k

How were these conclusions reached?

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

That puts it right on par with what BBS did in its first month, right? Not bad for a system with a substantially smaller userbase, but you gotta think that the constant spin-offs are doing more harm for KH than good.

Well, the queston will be how strong the legs for it are. 358/2 Days had pretty good legs, so we'll see how 3D does over the coming months. It's a series that has a lot of broad appeal, so it will probably do well up through the holiday season.

 

[allan-bh]

How were these conclusions reached?

Anita said that PS3 is up over July (140k), creamsugar said it is below 150k

Using 48% market share for X360, Wii is between 60k-70k

 

[metalslimer]

The question I asked Heavy can apply to you as well: Which do you think is an overall better gauge of how well the 3DS is going to do: hardware numbers in August or numbers in November and December?

Well of course those are the most important but if 3ds sales are going to be shit to mediocre for all of the year until the holidays then that is not good at all because without crazy wii like holiday numbers they wont meet projections

 

[Infinite Justice]

How were these conclusions reached?

The person who gave them out has the numbers but has to be vague since NPD doesn't give out numbers to the public anymore and person would be in some shit. Plus some maths

 

[A.E Suggs]

I guess we have to face facts, gaming is dying slowly but dying all the same.

 

[Hero]

Well of course those are the most important but if 3ds sales are going to be shit to mediocre for all of the year until the holidays then that is not good at all because without crazy wii like holiday numbers they wont meet projections

Are you new to how much the holiday period boosts numbers not only in gaming but also most every other retail oriented industry?

Nintendo hardware gets a massive boost during the holiday period and sells a significant percentage during this relatively short time period. While I agree that selling outside of the holiday period is important as well, the comparison that Heavy made for the 3DS sales from August 2011 and August of 2012 is not only disingenuous since last year was the first month that the system saw a massive price drop, it's also no where near important as the upcoming holiday season is going to be for the system. If November or December see a YOY drop in hardware sales for the 3DS then that would actually be a significant talking point of conversation to the overall health of the system.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Considering you didn't know Sophie's Choice existed a few hours ago, I doubt seriously this is an informed opinion.

I knew about it, hell I read it. But Amy's Choice came to mind first.

 

[leatherhat]

Hello I'm here for a Vita, a Mr. P.S. Vita. Does anyone know where I can find him?

 

[metalslimer]

Are you new to how much the holiday period boosts numbers not only in gaming but also most every other retail oriented industry?

Nintendo hardware gets a massive boost during the holiday period and sells a significant percentage during this relatively short time period. While I agree that selling outside of the holiday period is important as well, the comparison that Heavy made for the 3DS sales from August 2011 and August of 2012 is not only disingenuous since last year was the first month that the system saw a massive price drop, it's also no where near important as the upcoming holiday season is going to be for the system. If November or December see a YOY drop in hardware sales for the 3DS then that would actually be a significant talking point of conversation to the overall health of the system.

I know how much of a boost the holiday provides but like i said nintendo already set very hifh expectations which would take a much more massive holiday boost than we normally see to reach those projections

 

[ShironRedshift]

Nintendo has no one to blame for that but themselves. They stopped releasing anything of note on the Wii outside of the holidays starting in 2008 and look at what they're doing with their 3DS schedule. We probably wouldn't have gotten NSMB2 in August if not for the XL launch.

What do you mean? the 3DS seems to have the opposite problem, if anything. NSMB2 is the biggest thing it really has. The next best is Paper Mario. Nintendo seems to intentionally be trying to space out the 3DS's releases in NA more, with Luigi's Mansion delayed to Q1 2013, us not getting Animal Crossing sometime in 2013 and the same with Fire Emblem. Due to those delays/spread out releases, the 3DS's holiday lineup is too barren, if anything.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Anita said that PS3 is up over July (140k), creamsugar said it is below 150k

Using 48% market share for X360, Wii is between 60k-70k

Thank you for clarifying that.

Has the DS number been narrowed down anymore than >Wii and <100k?

 

[EktorPR]

What do you mean? the 3DS seems to have the opposite problem, if anything. NSMB2 is the biggest thing it really has. The next best is Paper Mario. Nintendo seems to intentionally be trying to space out the 3DS's releases in NA more, with Luigi's Mansion delayed to Q1 2013, us not getting Animal Crossing sometime in 2013 and the same with Fire Emblem. Due to those delays/spread out releases, the 3DS's holiday lineup is too barren, if anything.

I don't think it's "barren", at all. We *are* getting Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask, Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward, Code of Princess, Epic Mickey: Power of Illusion, Adventure Time: Hey Ice King! Why'd you steal our garbage? and Fluidity: Spin Cycle, among others.

 

[Sadist]

So, uh, KH 3D performed about the same as BbS?

Guess that's pretty okay.

 

[electroplankton]

"Kingdom Hearts 3D sold well beyond 200.000 units" NPD said

Last night, Nintendo of America released U.S. sales figures for Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance in the month of August. According to Nintendo’s data, the 3DS game sold over 180,000 copies during the month.

Siliconera has learnt that this number isn’t quite accurate. For some reason, Nintendo’s sales figures don’t account for the “Mark of Mastery” collector’s edition of the game, which pushes the 180,000 figure even higher.

The NPD Group confirmed to Siliconera: “[Nintendo’s data] does not include the Mark of Mastery edition. It does increase the 180K number significantly.”

When we pressed further, we were told: “It pushes the number well beyond 200k.”

Thanks to the NPD Group for giving us a more accurate idea of the situation.

via Siliconera

At this poing, 250k might be possible.

 

[kunonabi]

I don't think it's "barren", at all. We *are* getting Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask, Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward, Code of Princess, Epic Mickey: Power of Illusion, Adventure Time: Hey Ice King! Why'd you steal our garbage? and Fluidity: Spin Cycle, among others.

Yeah I have no idea where this barren 3DS talk is coming from. October/November is going to kill my wallet.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

If the 3DS holiday line-up is barren, the PSVita is a black hole.

 

[TheNatural]

I don't think it's "barren", at all. We *are* getting Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask, Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward, Code of Princess, Epic Mickey: Power of Illusion, Adventure Time: Hey Ice King! Why'd you steal our garbage? and Fluidity: Spin Cycle, among others.

No one considers them major mainstream franchises. I mean if you count those as major, you could do that with every system ever made.

Hell I mean Wii still has Kirby Collection, WWE 13, NBA 2K13, Zumba Fitness Core, LEGO Lord of the Rings, Just Dance 4, and Epic Mickey 2!

 

[ThatObviousUser]

"Kingdom Hearts 3D sold well beyond 200.000 units" NPD said



via Siliconera

At this poing, 250k might be possible.

Probably sold on par with BBS, maybe a little less.

 

[grimshawish]

No one considers them major mainstream franchises. I mean if you count those as major, you could do that with every system ever made.

Layton?

 

[Nirolak]

"Kingdom Hearts 3D sold well beyond 200.000 units" NPD said



via Siliconera

At this poing, 250k might be possible.

Well, we know Mario sold 240K, so we have a cap.

 

[John Harker]

Probably sold on par with BBS, maybe a little less.

what did BBS do again?

 

[frankie_baby]

No one considers them major mainstream franchises. I mean if you count those as major, you could do that with every system ever made.

Hell I mean Wii still has Kirby Collection, WWE 13, NBA 2K13, Zumba Fitness Core, LEGO Lord of the Rings, Just Dance 4, and Epic Mickey 2!

Not sure if serious

 

[Saint Gregory]

What do you mean? the 3DS seems to have the opposite problem, if anything. NSMB2 is the biggest thing it really has. The next best is Paper Mario. Nintendo seems to intentionally be trying to space out the 3DS's releases in NA more, with Luigi's Mansion delayed to Q1 2013, us not getting Animal Crossing sometime in 2013 and the same with Fire Emblem. Due to those delays/spread out releases, the 3DS's holiday lineup is too barren, if anything.

That's actually what I mean, Nintendo needs big games every month in the US to try to sustain the platform until 3rd party support improves (if ever). I'll never understand what they think that they're gaining by holding back so many games.

I understand that you don't want to cannibalize your own sales but the 3DS clearly needs more this holiday from Nintendo than just PM.

 

[Leezard]

what did BBS do again?

225k was the figure floating around early in the thread.

 

[Nirolak]

what did BBS do again?

225K

 

[alfredofroylan]

No one considers them major mainstream franchises. I mean if you count those as major, you could do that with every system ever made.

What games are considered "major franchises" on handhelds here in NA???, we got games like AC and CoD on handhelds and mobiles and none of them was as big as Pokemon.

 

[Dragon]

If the 3DS holiday line-up is barren, the PSVita is a black hole.

And you're the Event Horizon...zing!

 

[Hero]

I know how much of a boost the holiday provides but like i said nintendo already set very hifh expectations which would take a much more massive holiday boost than we normally see to reach those projections

Okay. So before making blanket statements in a month that you've already conceded to not matter as much why not wait until the holidays are over to analyze how likely or unlikely it will be for Nintendo to reach their projections?

 

[Plinko]

3DS can easily be a successful, healthy console without reaching DS heights.

Exactly. People need to keep remembering this.

Nintendo's #1 problem right now is not having games for 3DS that draw in casuals. DS had the big Brain Training craze and Nintendogs was incredibly popular at the time as well. They just haven't invented anything new to do the same thing for 3DS.

 

[DragonSworne]

Nintendo didn't include the MOM edition of KH because they want to state that MARIO was the best selling game of August. Or does the NPD numbers include the special editions?

 

[TheNatural]

What games are considered "major franchises" on handhelds here in NA???, we got games like AC and CoD on handhelds and mobiles and none of them was as big as Pokemon.

Pokemon, Mario, Animal Crossing, basically any major Nintendo mascot.

There's Paper Mario and not much else this holiday.

 

[Plinko]

Nintendo didn't include the MOM edition of KH because they want to state that MARIO was the best selling game of August. Or does the NPD numbers include the special editions?

That's an NPD thing.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

I don't think it's "barren", at all. We *are* getting Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask, Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward, Code of Princess, Epic Mickey: Power of Illusion, Adventure Time: Hey Ice King! Why'd you steal our garbage? and Fluidity: Spin Cycle, among others.

I'm not sure "barren" is the best term but I don't think those are system sellers at all. Certainly not to the extent of a 2D Mario or Animal Crossing.

 

[Nirolak]

That's an NPD thing.

NPD counts bundles and special editions:

**(includes CE, GOTY editions, bundles, etc. but not those bundled with hardware)

The report companies get those is by SKU.

 

[KalBalboa]

I'm glad Lego Batman is doing so well. I really need to pick it up sometime.

 

[Exterminieren]

Pokemon, Mario, Animal Crossing, basically any major Nintendo mascot.

There's Paper Mario and not much else this holiday.

Don't underestimate Layton. That was a big DS franchise; not as big as in Europe, sure, but it shifted some numbers.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

Exactly. People need to keep remembering this.

Nintendo's #1 problem right now is not having games for 3DS that draw in casuals. DS had the big Brain Training craze and Nintendogs was incredibly popular at the time as well. They just haven't invented anything new to do the same thing for 3DS.

I don't think the 3DS can draw in those casuals anymore. There is too much competition for their time and money nowadays.

 

[Mpl90]

There are three if not four good sales wise games for 3DS this Holiday: Paper Mario, Layton, Scribblenauts. And Epic Mickey, possibly. They could even be five if the infamous Angry Birds Trilogy sells in general.

 

[allan-bh]

Has the DS number been narrowed down anymore than >Wii and <100k?

creamsugar post ~100k

 

[Delusibeta]

I guess we have to face facts, gaming is dying slowly but dying all the same.

Console gaming, perhaps. Mobile and PC gaming is having a bit of a boom, at the moment.

 

[CosmicQueso]

I don't think the 3DS can draw in those casuals anymore. There is too much competition for their time and money nowadays.

The casuals-thing isn't an 3DS issue in particular. Most research points to those folks having left the physical software category (at least for now) and into mobile/iOS. But they were only buying one or two things a year anyways. It was just the quantity of them buying a Wii or Guitar Hero or Brain Age that drove the bubble years around 2008.

Maybe they'll come back eventually, maybe they won't. The core audience hasn't changed much or left the category at all (including 3DS).