It's a dead-end discussion.
"I think it sold 20K digitally."
"I think it sold 2K digitally."
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Might as well be VGC numbers for how useful that discussion would be.
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NPD December 2012 Sales Results [Up2: Xbox 360, All Nintendo Hardware, NSMB Wii U]
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It's a dead-end discussion.
"I think it sold 20K digitally."
"I think it sold 2K digitally."
...
Might as well be VGC numbers for how useful that discussion would be.
Where the hell is out underthestars for this post? Because you know according to him third parties fucking bombed on the Wii.
Third parties seemed to mega bomb on the PS3 then.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I was kinda hoping you'd read the spiral of doom in some pretentious TV news anchor voice.
I have failed in this.
I saying this because XBOX 360 is selling pretty well. Microsoft might as well profit a bit more on the xbox360.
RukusProvider
Banned
Love these numbers!
1st party analysis:
1 360 1st party > 5mil
15 360 1st party > 1mil
24 360 1st party > 0.5mil
0 PS3 1st party > 5mil
7 PS3 1st party > 1mil
23 PS3 1st party > 0.5mil
Can Crusher
Banned
And they will. 360 won't disappear of the face of the map just because the successor arrives. Sony was making money on the PS2 throughout most of this gen.
TheNatural
My Member!
I'm tired anyway, so I can't tell sarcasm or not.
pieatorium
Member
eh they are actually fairly compareable, and considering how much lower the US install base is for PS3 that is where things don't go well for nintendo in a comparison.
But why is there only good or bad...what happened to its doing okay? And lets see what it looks like after 6 months and more games come. We only have 2 data points, how can anyone jump to a conclusion based off of that? We can compare though...in it's first two NPD's it is doing better than the 360 and PS3 but worse than the Wii. So I would say it is doing good. That's just me though.
They can still profit on the 360 while releasing a new console. Just like sony did when the PS1 sold when the PS2 was launched. Or Sony profited from the PS2 when they launched the PS3. Just because they launch a new console does not mean they will pull the old one off the shelf. Bad hardware deals with intel and Nvidia forced them to pull the orginal xbox early last time.
Sales are down yoy so yes new hardware is needed.
you got lazy didn't you... or perhaps didn't care
2 Wii 1st party > 10mil
8 Wii 1st party > 5mil
21 Wii 1st party > 1mil
31 Wii 1st party > 0.5mil
Not good and not a good trend are not the same thing...Their is a difference.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
That is what I thought you'd say (or any of the other experts).
If only comments from those in the know had any power to stop those who don't really know.
and considering the relative effort put forth for selling games between the two by third-parties
We can go around on this all day.
I'm not sure that creamsugar is combining SKUs there. In that case, it'd be the base Halo 4 SKU that would have to cross 5m, so that would change things a bit.
That's moving the goal posts. The statement was "third parties bombed on the Wii" which is a flat out lie, as we just have the numbers to prove that.
But if you truly want to move goal posts and talk about install base then you can talk about how much support was given by third parties, entire genres being absent on the Wii for example and the cost of development by platform.
None of that has to do with what is being argued.
and considering the relative effort put forth for selling games between the two by third-parties
We can go around on this all day.
I'm not sure that creamsugar is combining SKUs there. In that case, it'd be the base Halo 4 SKU that would have to cross 5m, so that would change things a bit.
Ah ok thanks, well even with bundles and all editions counted I'm sure it's close to 5 mill. (which is 2 mill behind Reach lifetime WW)
And Microsoft probably spends a third of what Sony does on its first party efforts. This is exactly why Sony needs to put out fewer games and push them harder if they want to profit.
Agreed. Sony shits out a lot more games but it's pointless when they're just sent out to die. LBPK, Starhawk, what else? lol
AdventureRacing
Member
If you go by creamsguars numbers on the previous page he has one 1st party 360 title over 5 million for the year which has to be halo 4. That seems like a very impressive numbers. It has also been having very good legs in the UK. It won't achieve the same level of success of halo 3 but i think it will perform better than reach and is a bit of a return to form for the series.
Halo 5 is going to be of huge importance for the franchise.
How did you get this from the sales we are seeing? Sales are slumping and if they were to wait 3-4 years they would be in the exact same position nintendo is now. Letting you device lose all its momentum before releasing the successor is a dumb idea. This is already the longest generation we have seen and i think people are ready for another console.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/178802/the_state_of_the_vita_2012.php
"As for how current releases are faring in this difficult market for the portable, PS Vita titles rarely crack the top end of retail software sales charts in any region. Koller, though, claims physical game sales are doing just fine for the system, and that digital sales are robust. "We haven't given out firm numbers on this, but ... what we see from our network sales is a significant percentage of our total software sales," he says."
For whatever that's worth.
Their entire line up this year? Ha.
I'd still like to know how Wonderbook, PSASBR and LBPKarting did.
Those are lifetime buddy, so imagine that game is Halo 3.
Alcibiades
Member
Pretty sure Wii Play is one of them.
Can Crusher
Banned
According to Stinkles, it's the fastest selling and best selling Halo game thus far. So, pretty sure Halo 4 is gonna do more than Halo 3.
AdventureRacing
Member
Oh i thought those numbers were just for this year which was pretty stupid of me.
This is completely misleading. You can't just look at the US market (which is by far and away 360s best region) and come to a conclusion like this.
We'll have to see, i think there is no chance.
This is completely misleading. You can't just look at the US market (which is by far and away 360s best region) and come to a conclusion like this.
We'll have to see, i think there is no chance.
Who the hell drops $600 on a phone every 2 years?
RukusProvider
Banned
2012 failures:
Twisted metal
Lbp karting
All stars
Jak and dexter
Sorcery
Star hawk
Edit: wonderbook
That's the all-time sales, not just this year. That 1 first-party game is Halo 3. Wii's first-party games are Wii Play and Mario Kart Wii.
Yeah, we get the occasional qualitative comment of some form or another, but not usually something where we can say x,000. That's why the discussion doesn't usually go anywhere useful. :/
Baconsammy
Banned
It's actually worth a lot. Unlike Nintendo you get special prices for buying digital on Vita, and then there's the whole real account thing on Vita that Nintendo refuses to offer (or simply doesnt know how to). If Sony thinks they're making enough money off the software, they're not dumping the hardware. I wish they'd post numbers so we could see how well digital sales of PSP titles are doing.
Can Crusher
Banned
A lot of people looking at Iphone sales or Tablet sales, and how new versions come out so fast.
Too bad for ME3, I'm really loving the game on my WiiU. So sad. If you don't own a PS3 or 360 you should really get that game.
RukusProvider
Banned
Didn't the 85th Ratchet game come out this year too?
Ah yeah, that's probably it. In retrospect, it's pretty funny to see the Wii software sales being just as amazing as the hardware sales before the system cratered. Lots of lost potential there.
No. They pay $100 or $200 and sign a 2-year contract. It's the 360 model, but you're paying for phone service (a need for many people in today's world) instead of Xbox Live (generally, a want).
bigtroyjon
Member
I don't think it's worth anything at all
Company mouth pieces aren't worth the words they give in interviews like this. Physical sales certainly were not "fine" back at the beginning of October.
Edit
Same thing applies to this
Can Crusher
Banned
Doesn't really matter. It's all about perceived value. Truth is you don't need a new phone every year or every 2 years. Nor do you need a top end product, but it sells.
And anyway, you get the point since you left tablets out.
Mario Kart Wii. 1 year after launch Mario kart was already over 15 million
Now thats what you call trolling. Only 24 good months? Really?
metalslimer
Member
This gen could have not have stretched on any longer without doing some serious harm to the health of the industry. Also Sony had a terrible year this year. Even if you ignore the Vita disaster, Sony's 1st party on PS3 did not do particularly well and some were just straight up cataclysms (All Stars). There's also the studio closures. THe PS4 just has to come out in 2014 otherwise next holiday will be brutal.
Are tablets 1) $600 and 2) selling anywhere close to smartphone levels?
Well, 36 months, sales-wise. And they apparently needed it to sell for 72 months. So Nintendo got ~6 years of sales in ~3, then?
AdventureRacing
Member
Yeah noticed that after i posted lol.
Yeah saw donny's post. Looks like I was wrong and it's MK Wii and Wii Play.
That 15m is WW right?
Yeah lifetime sales are like 33 million now ww. Mario kart exploded like crazy on the Wii
I wonder if we can coerce him into giving us a break down of the numbers. It's obviously a massive success, I don't understand why MS stay so tight lipped about all these milestones and such.
Wow! Ubi must love Nintendo LOL. I'm slowly trying to catch up with this thread, hope you have more in store