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NPD December 2012 Sales Results [Up2: Xbox 360, All Nintendo Hardware, NSMB Wii U]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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I actually thought that NCL had more games out, but I guess there are just that many 3rd party games.
Well, in this instance, they still need to make sure Professor Layton And The Azran Legacies hits this year.
Maybe get Culdecept over here as well. Yeah it wouldn't be amazing, but they can't just leave the Summer completely empty again.
I have two carts for mine, P4 and AC:L. The rest of my games are digital.
The other thing is that the vita skews towards an older crowd than the 3ds. you know, people with credit cards and disposable income who are willing to pay for convienience.
so maybe I'm delusional, but I like to think that the average vita owner buys enough digital software to make the system worthwhile for sony and for some publishers for the next 2 or 3 years.
I mean, unlike the know-everythings here, I don't know what #s of systems sony has to sell to make the vita a worthwhile proposition. Maybe 1-2 million per year for a portable system in the US is enough, assuming a good attach rate.
Agent Icebeezy
Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
People actually wanted a PS3
Yes, my $599 went into a Gamestop register on PS3 launch date.
If that was true, then why aren't we seeing more 3rd party support for the Vita?
I'm doing the same. I have a few physical vita games, but mostly going digital now because I'd rather not switch carts. Would never attempt this on any Nintendo platform though, can't stand their backwards online systems and tying game purchases to systems instead of an account.
Agent Icebeezy
Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
All of my PSV games are from retail
Virtua Tennis 4
Lumines
Fifa Soccer
Wipeout
Hot Shots Golf
MLB The Show
Persona 4 Golden
Assassin's Creed Liberation
Modnation Racers
I did download Playstation All-stars for it, but that is only because I bought the PS3 version for that to happen.
metalslimer
Member
To make Vita's software sales anywhere near good, the digital sales would have to be well over 50% of sales. We have gotten no indication of such things. Also, if the real world behaved how Vita did anecdotally, the system would be on its deathbed. How many digital games a person buys on here has little to do with overall sales
Edit: I'd hate to see 3DS sales if NSMB2 hadn't made it out this year.
Edit: I'd hate to see 3DS sales if NSMB2 hadn't made it out this year.
worthwhile for Sony
But I see your point. Nonetheless, I don't see much difference with the 3ds support 3rd party, non-japanese wise.
I just don't see the appeal for 3rd party mobile game companies developing for either system when the market on iOS and--to a lesser extend--Android is soooooo much larger.
but whatever. Even if vita and/or wiiu fail, I'll enjoy whatever games the systems have to offer.
There Is? Where have you been? Lol
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
Why would Vita owners buy digital software when the memory cards are so cost prohibitive?
Are more pricey games(like the SE titles) really selling well enough on iOS and Android to warrant that?
cuz you can delete them and redownload them whenever you want. You can even transfer them to your PC or PS3 if you want the space on your vita, but don't want to redownload them in the future. Besides, 16 gigs for $40-50 will let you have 5-10 games on your device at one time.
They want all their games on 1 cart is the reason. They are willing to pay a premium for this.
Mutanthands
Member
...and this is why it was stupid for Sony not to pay to have Angry Birds on the Vita. Idiots.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
Still sounds like a bad deal. And what if I want to play more than one game on a trip? Plus the games are hardly ever on sale and you can't sell your games used.
I think the mythical digital Vita games sales are dubious at best. It really doesn't make much sense.
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This can't be a big market.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
People are not even comparing it to last gen. The 3DS sales fell 21% from last year. That´s very bad if you include NSMB2 and the 3DSXL that launched this year.
Nobody's saying there's this huge amount of digital sales, but they aren't non-existant. For example, LBP Vita has 3,300 ratings in the NA store (you have to buy the game on the PS Store to rate it), and there's no way even half of the people that buy it will rate the game.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
Might take awhile. The PS2 was at ~46 million before it stopped getting tracked by NPD.
Well he admitted he may be delusional lol and he didn't say there was a huge amount of sales, just that there's enough to keep support afloat, which would very well be the case.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
And people said that CODBO won´t sell hardware. It´s not big but it´s pushing the Vita.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
yup. It's like having a downs kid, you love him and hope he can make a go of it, but you know he is never going to be president.
I think it's safe to assume that right now most Vita owners are probably enthusiasts and would be more open to DD than the casual consumer market that buy into a system later on in a console's life.
bigtroyjon
Member
Anyone got that graph of US console sales that Microsoft gave out the beginning of 2012? Had everything on it all the way back to N64/PS1
I would figure most vita owners who are PS+ members would be doing this eventually. Just wait for a sale like I did. The savings from the PS+ games basically paid for the card for me.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
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You don't have to take out Japan for the 360 to be the best selling console in the west. Japan by being in the east means it isn't included.
edit: I've imbibed, but that sentence regardless of intoxicants was amazing.
TheNatural
My Member!
To be fair, last year had Mario Kart 7 and Super Mario Land 3D come out. This year had a lukewarm received Paper Mario game come out.
Holiday 2013 will obviously be better though, with Pokemon and Metroid Dread out in October, Majora's Mask 3D Master Quest and Super Mario 3D Land 2 coming out in November, and Smash Bros 3DS coming out in December.
my guesstimations
2012: 38m
2013: 42m (4m, down 1.3m YOY) Though perhaps less, it has a strong Q1/Q2 and an actual price cut may steady sales. That or it might do nothing.
2014: 44.5m (2.5m) PS2 managed this 3 full years after 360 debuted
2015: 46.2m (1.7m) 10th anniversary =P They should cut to $99 at this point, and do one last batch of bundles to push it over the edge and overtake.
2016 and beyond: 47m (1m~)
In its full 7th year the 360 has just done 5.3mill, in PS2's full 7th year it did 4m.
Then after that:
8th: 2.5m
9th: 1.8m
10th: 730k
11th/12th: 300k~
That's with battling new consoles for much longer than 360 will be at that point in time. I don't see why 360 can't continue to maintain higher than PS2 sales in the same timeframe.
please, real games like SMTIV are better than those fake games.
But we don't live in a perfect world where Atlus is king and every thing they touch sells 20 million units.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Persona 4G selling between 50k-100k copies in the US so far is actually pretty good. It's been out for less than 2 months and if I'm not mistaken, that puts it on track to sell as well or better than the PS2 Persona games did here.
TheNatural
My Member!
Sorry, forgot the long in development exclusive Final Fantasy VII 3D remake as well.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
And Nintendo handhelds have a much smaller pool to pull from.
It might have sold a million + but in Nintendo history... that low of sales in December is usually relegated to their consoles. We can see the market has changed... so what can be done?
Or are we on the spiral of doom for dedicated gaming handhelds?
creamsugar
Member
Some LTD title count, not include console bundle or special ed
3rd party
360
>5M = 4 (cod)
>1M = 63
>0.5M = 151
Wii
>5M = 2 (jd2&3)
>1M = 30
>0.5M = 96
PS3
>5M = 2 (cod)
>1M = 29
>0.5M = 76
All
360
>5M = 5
>1M = 78
>0.5M = 175
Wii
>10M = 2
>5M = 10
>1M = 51
>0.5M = 127
PS3
>5M = 2
>1M = 36
>0.5M = 99
3rd party
360
>5M = 4 (cod)
>1M = 63
>0.5M = 151
Wii
>5M = 2 (jd2&3)
>1M = 30
>0.5M = 96
PS3
>5M = 2 (cod)
>1M = 29
>0.5M = 76
All
360
>5M = 5
>1M = 78
>0.5M = 175
Wii
>10M = 2
>5M = 10
>1M = 51
>0.5M = 127
PS3
>5M = 2
>1M = 36
>0.5M = 99
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Yeah it seems pretty decent. The PS2 one didn't do a whole lot over 100k.
Passing in the US only.
Do we really need next gen? The answer is no. Its yes for us hardcore gamers, who are tired of the same things all over again. In reality this gen could had continued for another 3-4 years. The general public seam to be satisfied with what they have now. Its the developers that are complaining, and seem to be in a blind illusion that extra power will give them divine inspiration. In 3 years will probably be playing the same repetitive games, but slightly more prettier.
I wish they would do this with the WiiU. Even though I know certain games will come out it would still be nice to see them. I have a feeling they will show more once we get out of the launch window...unless that was just all talk because they really didn't have anything. I still have a feeling they will blow us away at E3 and show what the console can really achieve compared to the upcoming ones...Maybe thats their plan. Anyway, I didn't contribute to this NPD but I got 4 games for the new year
Yes we do. It's funny how much this flip flops month to month on the basis of NPD numbers. Wait till April when 360 is doing 150k in a month and the tide will turn again!
Can Crusher
Banned
Answer is hell yes. People can drop 600 dollars every 2 years on a phone or a tablet, but they want to keep their consoles for the rest of their lives?
Nah. Wii U performance isn't an indicator of what the other 2 will sell.
TheNatural
My Member!
Too much hyperbole in this post. The only doom is relegated to companies thinking there isn't a definite price ceiling for handhelds. GBA debuted at $99. DS Lite was $130. They sold ridiculous. It's only recently that ridiculous pricing has come into play. There's a reason why the original DS is still selling well despite being dead: its because you could buy DSi's on sale for $89 at many retailers this holiday.
The only thing that needs to be rethought is what companies keep jamming into their system. Adding another $50 or $60 to a price of a handheld for a touchscreen, two screens, camera, 3D, gyro, or whatever else needs to be seriously rethought. A modestly powerful Gameboy reboot with the basics at $125 would destroy everything in it's path if Nintendo had some common sense, and that's the truth.
StreetsAhead
Member
I wish they would do this with the WiiU. Even though I know certain games will come out it would still be nice to see them. I have a feeling they will show more once we get out of the launch window...unless that was just all talk because they really didn't have anything. I still have a feeling they will blow us away at E3 and show what the console can really achieve compared to the upcoming ones...Maybe thats their plan. Anyway, I didn't contribute to this NPD but I got 4 games for the new year
If they talk about games now, come E3 there's no surprise and there's not as big a potential for hype. Wait until E3 and show off (if you have it) amazing stuff, you can at least try to fight against the 2 new consoles, even if you risk being drowned in a hype storm.