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NPD January 2013 Sales Results [Up7: Wii U 57K (CNET), Vita ~35K, PS3 201K]
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Synth_floyd
Banned
They sold 57k in 5 weeks. But since a normal month is 4 weeks then the true "monthly" rate is 46k.
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ZombieFred
Unconfirmed Member
46,000 in five weeks? That's more less than 10k a week itself. God fucking damn.
Nintendo panic mode engaged!
Nintendo panic mode engaged!
At this point, I don't know what Nintendo can do for the next 6-8 months to bounce back. It seems like they're going to pull these numbers until something worth buying comes out.
This will not come to fruition unless Nintendo goes down completely, that's if they go down.
This will not come to fruition unless Nintendo goes down completely, that's if they go down.
AranhaHunter
Banned
I thought this was interesting:
JP numbers (MC)
Week 1
WiiU - 67083
Vita - 33309
Week 2
WiiU - 20715
Vita - 11088
Week 3
WiiU - 16654
Vita - 9036
Week 4
WiiU - 13746
Vita - 9748
Week 5
WiiU - 12959
Vita - 9596
January 2013 Japanese numbers
Wii U - 131157
Vita - 72777
January 2013 NPD numbers
WiiU - 57k (~11.4k per week)
Vita - ~35k (~ 7k per week )
Japan is a much smaller market than the US, yet both Vita and WiiU sold way better in Japan than in the US, greater than 2>1. We know the Vita is dead and I don't think Sony gives a damn, but the WiiU is not far behind. That's really worrisome for the health of the platform in the west.
JP numbers (MC)
Week 1
WiiU - 67083
Vita - 33309
Week 2
WiiU - 20715
Vita - 11088
Week 3
WiiU - 16654
Vita - 9036
Week 4
WiiU - 13746
Vita - 9748
Week 5
WiiU - 12959
Vita - 9596
January 2013 Japanese numbers
Wii U - 131157
Vita - 72777
January 2013 NPD numbers
WiiU - 57k (~11.4k per week)
Vita - ~35k (~ 7k per week )
Japan is a much smaller market than the US, yet both Vita and WiiU sold way better in Japan than in the US, greater than 2>1. We know the Vita is dead and I don't think Sony gives a damn, but the WiiU is not far behind. That's really worrisome for the health of the platform in the west.
TheDrowningMan
Member
46,000 in five weeks? That's more less than 10k a week itself. God fucking damn.
Nintendo panic mode engaged!
No, read it again.
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ZombieFred
Unconfirmed Member
Oh thank goodness. I thought it was then going have to chart showing that America sold less Wii Us than Japan does with the Vita in a week!
MafiaMusic
Banned
It seems clear that Microsoft has the most momentum going into next gen. Well, in NA at least.
...What is this article trying to communicate with the 46k number? Especially considering it's just an estimate based upon taking 80% of the 57k number.
They also mention a 4.1 tie ratio for Wii U. I thought our last number was 1.9. How?
Wii U is 2 years too late, The industry is NOT in trouble and 300k 360s in January proves this. People want to play, they just don't want Wii U. Everyone has a tablet or smartphone. Why would anyone want a low end one tied to a underpowered console with no games? Nintendo screwed up and unless they drop to $200-$249 by e3 its over. They will be CRUSHED by MS and Sony this fall.
The question now is who wins next gen? Sony seems to be aiming for the hardcore and MS seems to be playing off of LIVE along with a more balanced approach. We as a collective may not like it but with Nintendo losing the casuals and Sony NOT having the same appeal toward casuals with LIVE and Kinect, MS may just take next gen surprisingly.
The question now is who wins next gen? Sony seems to be aiming for the hardcore and MS seems to be playing off of LIVE along with a more balanced approach. We as a collective may not like it but with Nintendo losing the casuals and Sony NOT having the same appeal toward casuals with LIVE and Kinect, MS may just take next gen surprisingly.
They're trying to compare it to 2007 (they say as much)
WrenchNinja
Member
If this January was 4 weeks like in 2007, then it would be 46k. Isn't that it?
Yeah, I don't understand this. Do they talk about this specific month or about LTD? I can perfectly believe 4.1 tie ratio for January, not at all for November + December + January.
I agree with your overall point about Japanese sales being healthier, but remember that those January numbers are skewed by the first week of January being one of the largest Japanese sales weeks of the year.
Snitches get stitches.
DeFiBkIlLeR
Banned
If MS target the casual crowd, they'll eventually come unstuck just like Nintendo.
Casual gamers are whores, they'll just go with anyone for the latest thrills and gimmicks, but they get bored easily and quickly and will abandon you in the end.
Nintendo is discovering this with the WiiU.
The casual crowd has been gone for years now. Nintendo left the core audience hanging for the entirety of the Wii life cycle so why would we go back to them after that? What compelling reason have they given us? Wii Fit U, Pikmin 3, Nintendoland, and the HD refresh of a game released in 2003? Fuck off Nintendo. Nintendo needs new IP and old IP reinvention not the crap they've been trying to shovel onto us repeatedly. How many New Super Mario Bros XYZ games can we stand before saying "Enough" and moving elsewhere?
I would assume they were talking about the month. Given that Wii U software sales were < $15m, that seems like a reasonable tie ratio for the month with the console selling only 57k units.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Yeah, but if all the rumors are true, they're going to try their hardest to kill that momentum. Next 6-10 months is going to be some interesting shit, that's for sure.
AranhaHunter
Banned
A price drop won't do much IMHO. I'll copy what I said in another thread:
A price drop by itself is not going to fix the WiiU's problems. Like it or not, Nintendo will have to compete with PS3/360 AND Orbis/Durango. Based on what we know and is rumored, the WiiU will be closer in power to the former rather than the latter. PS3 and especially the 360 are way overdue for a price drop. In America, Nintendo needs to try to catch the 360/720, in EU, and to a lesser extent, Japan, it needs to catch the PS3. I think we'll see the PS3 drop to $199/EU199/Y19,990 and maybe $169/EU169/Y16,990 for the 12GB version. We'll probably see the 360 for $149/EU149/Y14,990 as well. I don't see Nintendo dropping the WiiU's price to $199, but even if they do, they might not be the cheapest alternative to the leader in each market.
They need games, but considering how NSMBU didn't really sell consoles, I'm not convinced a Zelda WW HD, SSB, MK, Mario 3D, WiiFit U will either. They will definitely help and will be big sellers, but won't reach the statuses of their predecessors. I think Nintendo needs to come up with something new but we'll see, MK7 and NSMB2 definitely sold a lot more than I thought they would, even if they didn't reach the numbers of their predecessors on the DS.
Good point, but even if we completely ignore the first week, the WiiU and Vita still sold better in Japan than in the US, with one less week. And I would put healthier in quotations, sales there are not really healthy either, it's just not as horrible as here due to it being a much smaller market.
Nah. Those casuals are sucking up "entertainment". Look at 360 and it's LIVE numbers. People moved from the Wii to 360. U offers almost nothing in comparison. As long as 720 offers a nice jump and a great price and takes the entertainment thing up a notch they'll do fine. Ps4 will have to be a generational leap above plus match LIVE of this gen to even matter.
Console wars is GAF at its finest, purest, most distilled form.
Just want to say that I agree. From earlier in the thread.
I seriously doubt that whatever the 720 will offer in terms of entertainment will warrant an upgrade for the casuals. They'll be perfectly satisfied with what the 360 offers.
Can Crusher
Banned
What can Nintendo do?
Changing the box and "re launching" the system with a new marketing campaign is the only short term action they can do right now.
Clock is ticking and I don't think waiting for other consoles to enter the mix before doing it is the right course of action.
Changing the box and "re launching" the system with a new marketing campaign is the only short term action they can do right now.
Clock is ticking and I don't think waiting for other consoles to enter the mix before doing it is the right course of action.
Beer Monkey
Member
Nintendo needs to do Ambassador Redux. By summer, slash the price ($50 doesn't cut it) and give free shit to the early adopters.
This should have been done with the Vita last fall. Too late.
This should have been done with the Vita last fall. Too late.
well, the "re laucnh" with the Mario games and MH in japan did help the 3DS I guess they just need to do something like that again
I know it seems crazy, but I think the $50 PS+ program is kind of that for PSV. You get a bunch of games free right out of the gate, for less than the cost of two PSV games. Also free PS3 games, if you have one.
I'm not saying it makes sense to us but I bet it makes sense to someone inside Sony.
(And, yes, to play those games you then have to buy a bigger memory card, more than likely. So awful.)
Saint Gregory
Member
GAF isn't often right (especially when it comes to Nintendo) but we called it on the name confusion. You would have thought the 3DS name confusion would have made them reconsider the Wii U branding but they still went ahead with it.
The best course of action for them now without completely embarrassing themselves is to just drop the Wii brand entirely and rebrand the system as the Nintendo U. It's short and easy to communicate and won't force them to do an absolute rebrand of the entire game line.
Who at NCL thought it was a great idea to extend the branding of a dead console? Certainly not the millions of consumers who bough the Wii in 2009-10 and then had an unsupported platform by the next year.
The best course of action for them now without completely embarrassing themselves is to just drop the Wii brand entirely and rebrand the system as the Nintendo U. It's short and easy to communicate and won't force them to do an absolute rebrand of the entire game line.
Who at NCL thought it was a great idea to extend the branding of a dead console? Certainly not the millions of consumers who bough the Wii in 2009-10 and then had an unsupported platform by the next year.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This is exactly why people need to be fired.
Beer Monkey
Member
They should have sent every registered owner a 16GB card last fall. It's gotta cost them like $10 to make tops, but now we're getting into 'Ambassador' territory.
Rayman Legends is making more sense now. If Nintendo can repair this situation like they did with the 3DS, Ubisoft *will* sell more units this fall, despite current fan outrage. I'm sure Ubisoft had a very good idea as to just how soft the hardware sales are.
Tallshortman
Member
This is pretty week analysis. This is exactly what people were saying about how all PS2 owners were guaranteed to jump to PS3. Some did but many either didn't buy a console or went to another console. It doesn't work that way, only the core audience is very likely to "jump" with a company to the next gen. Casuals have been proven to be easily attracted by any side. There will be plenty of those who will stay on 360 as long as COD and Madden come out on it.
I think it's both. It's unappealing to most in the know and the stragglers they could hope to get are all confused because "what the fuck is this system about exactly?"
Saint Gregory
Member
I hope that you mean unappealing in that it has no game library because if I see one more poster equating console power with console success I'm going to scream and then everyone in my office is going to look at me funny.
I think both are true.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I don't think the name is good, but I can't imagine it's anywhere near as big a problem as the price and lack of software.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Perhaps this sort of thing is why the '3rd console curse' usually happens.
Console 1: it's an experiment! We don't know what will happen.
Console 2: everyone loves us! It wasn't a fluke! We're unstoppable!
Console 3: what happened? We did the same thing three times in a row, isn't that what you want? What do you mean something else attracted your attention?
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
WiiU
Vita
Both consoles have 4 letters.
In Japanese, 4 means death.
COINCIDENCE?!?!
Vita
Both consoles have 4 letters.
In Japanese, 4 means death.
COINCIDENCE?!?!
;P
unappealing as in 1) it has a bare software library 2) it offers little to nothing above current consoles with much larger libraries, support, and lower priced.
mercenar1e
Member
software was only at $15 million? if this keeps up what are the chances of strong 3rd party support? lol prob none
I feel as if it's more of lack of marketing and software. If they had compelling software and was marketed well then it would be doing a ton better than it currently is. The name is shitty and kind of does a disservice to the console.
There wasnt much hope to begin with.