CartridgeBlower
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...isn't that marketing's fault?
Pretty sure you just proved my point. Thank you.
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NPD March 2012 Sales Results [Up3: ME3 Total, Binary Domain]
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...isn't that marketing's fault?
Pretty sure you just proved my point. Thank you.
outunderthestars
Banned
No, the game itself is what makes it look terrible. The review scores aren't exactly setting the world on fire either.
nincompoop
Banned
So why do you think ORC sold 580k
You can try asking here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329737&page=40
(Maybe it's already answered.)
OldJadedGamer
Banned
My point was, the public doesn't know what they want until they see it.
Kenshin001
Member
Yes, because it's not a well known IP. Or a well known developer with a track record of AAA games. I'm sure it's a great game for a lot of people but that's irrelevant to the general game buying public. Even if those people were to go to the gaming sites they'd see average review scores. I've only played the demo but it seemed like a budget title to me and I have no intention of paying full price for it.
Pachterballs
Banned
are those binary domain no. LTD? HOLYSHITTTTTttttt
BOMBBBAAA
/sad
BOMBBBAAA
/sad
CartridgeBlower
Member
You played the demo and thought it felt like a budget title? Seriously?
I can understand it not being your cup of tea, but...yikes. The term "budget title" gets thrown around way too loosely.
Ogrekiller
Member
Maybe if the next few yakuza games do exceptionally well, Sega will throw him a couple million quid for his next pet project.
Yeah right.
outunderthestars
Banned
Well known IP goes a long ways.....
Kenshin001
Member
It's my cup of tea, just not a $60 cup of tea. It's a, what, 6 hour TPS, hardly unique and there are lot better alternatives on the market. The shooting felt good, characters completely generic, graphics OK, VA terrible. It was fun but nothing that made me go wow, I must have this game.
specialguy
Banned
It's one of those games I sorta, kinda kicked around buying, but never did. Like another recent example, Rage. Both didn't sell well, coincidence?
Then again I have little interest in some much bigger hits (though, that's often genre related), so obviously my tastes dont always match the market.
I might pick it up on sale, but I have a feeling I wont even do that.
I'm more a triple A guy. I'll spend 60 for a few triple A a year (EG, Halo 4 day one) and that's about it. I'd probably rather spend more time playing games I've already beat and know are loads of fun, like Crysis 2 and Gears 3.
MightyHedgehog
Member
The problem with Binary Domain is that, while it's high quality and slightly thematically different than its direct inspirations, it's still directly competing with those higher-level cinematic cover shooters (GeoW3, UC3) whose big third installments have just came out months earlier. Then, over the last three or more years, several other third parties have released extremely similar cinematic cover shooters that were cut from the same template established by Epic and Naughty Dog. All of them failed quite hard, too. The genre is simply highly competitive and the top two dogs representing it are also two of the highest budgeted series in video game production and marketing history. If you cannot keep up with the top guys in the room, you only have to look at the trail of coattails riders to see how poorly you may fare.
SolarPowered
Member
Binary Domain numbers are bad. Sega just can't catch a break.
I'm so annoyed that the Vita version got hitbox display and replay functions...
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
It's not going to win any graphics awards either. Which is part of the reason why I think mid tier budget projects would still benefit from newer hardware. Everything is going to look better than current gen at launch, even if it's mostly improvements in IQ and framerates.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Interesting that Sony completely ignore the good PS3 sales, and focus entirely on some mythical PSVita performance data.
Was posted in this thread, Vita was between 200-225k.
CadetMahoney
Member
make.believe lol
Wonder if the gap is widening or not. Alot of ppl were mentioning worldwide sales in NPD threads, but since this there doesn't seem to be any interest in bringing it up anymore.
hmmm. . . *strokes beard.*
MightyHedgehog
Member
Decent is a positive form of middling quality while it's never positive to be mediocre as I've always viewed the term as meaning 'just below average'. That's a fairly important step from one side of average to the other, I think, especially when you view your gaming experiences based on entertainment value versus price and expectation. You know, like 'was it worth the money and time spent?' That sort of difference, being right on the line.
NPD thread. The 360 is winning by a huge and increasing margin in the US. Worldwide I think the 360 is a few million ahead, but the PS3 is doing much better and probably will surpass it.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Everyone in marketing knows this simple fact: marketing is what you do when your product is no good.
Now, there is a lot of leeway in what 'no good' could ultimately mean.
Some products simply sell themselves. They create their own audience.
Ultimately, if something is uniquely special, innovative, creative... it will find an audience regardless of marketing. If a product fails without marketing, and fails with it.... well, YOU may like it, but this is indicative of the fact that this product is not design to fit the taste of the current market at large. Which granted, is a very fluid thing, but.... some people just need to accept that hey, I love this... most people do not. It's as much inherent in the core content offer as it is in the individual brand managers whose job is to 'create a unified brand message and identity for consumers.' Yadda yadda. (some people have strange expectations/definitions for what marketing is).
Now, there is a lot of leeway in what 'no good' could ultimately mean.
Some products simply sell themselves. They create their own audience.
Ultimately, if something is uniquely special, innovative, creative... it will find an audience regardless of marketing. If a product fails without marketing, and fails with it.... well, YOU may like it, but this is indicative of the fact that this product is not design to fit the taste of the current market at large. Which granted, is a very fluid thing, but.... some people just need to accept that hey, I love this... most people do not. It's as much inherent in the core content offer as it is in the individual brand managers whose job is to 'create a unified brand message and identity for consumers.' Yadda yadda. (some people have strange expectations/definitions for what marketing is).
specialguy
Banned
That's reasonably doubtful at this point even WW.
Either way I think it is a Gamecube/ XBOX comparison. It does not really matter who wins when it is so close.
The one thing you can take from it no matter who sells more units is that the 360 was a huge success, and the PS3 was not.
One lost a ton of money and an insane level of market share. The other had a shakey start, but stole a ton of mindshare and seems to have been quite profitable. One company grew and the other shrunk when it comes down to their gaming business.
CadetMahoney
Member
Remember Batman Arkham Asylum had PS3 exclusive content and sold more, but when such content wasn't money-hatted in the sequel it sold more on 360. So none of this should be surprising tbh. It's only natural to expect games like Bioshock and ME sequels to sell considerably less on PS3.
MS has a running start advantage next gen with some of these franchises if they're launch titles. PS4 will have a much better chance of all new multiplats or exclusives/
Some ppl can only get moist this way. I blame modern technology and sedentary lifestyles.
The funny thing is that Binary Domain, a western-based cover shooter, sell 100k in Japan after the first month and 20k in US.
I know it's Nagoshi's game and Japan loves the guy, but 20k in US, where there's a lot more consoles around and shooter fans of that type vs 100k in Japan is just... I don't know, paradoxical.
I remember when SEGA was expecting the game to sell between 1-1.5 million copies...
Also, other than Journey, BD is the best surprise of the year so far, so, I'm very, very sad for Team Yakuza :/
KillerMan91
Member
Considering that Sony will probably continue the same strategy as with PS2 and sell it for ages in developing countries I would say it is inevitable that PS3 surpasses X360. Of course it doesn't really matter anything for anyone so late in the gen.
specialguy
Banned
Whats to stop MS from doing the same with 360? They arguable even have an edge with a cheap no hard drive SKU...
frankie_baby
Member
However the fact it has to include a hard drive will always add a noticable chunk to productions costs meaning it has less chance of living on as a low cost console for developing countries
Yep the one thing we can take from this gen where ever it ends is that 360 has taken a large chunk away from sony and has almost flipped the mind share in the usa and uk.
It's a shame but it was inevitable.
1. New IP
2. Not really that good
3. Japanese game set in Tokyo
4. 500th cover shooter in the last year
5. Horrendous cover art + marketing failure
It was never going to sell, although 20k is shockingly bad.
I was expecting bomba for Binary Domain but 20k? holy fuckballs that's half what crazy niche RPGs sell. I guess it was the death note for Sega America, well it's a good game but they're better off not trying to appeal to america, hopefully they'll know their audience better next time
electroshockwave
Member
Well that's depressing.
KillerMan91
Member
They don't have same kind of distribution network as Sony because unlike Sony they are not hardware manufacturer outside of X360. Sony sells all kind of shit in these countries so it's easier and cheaper to distribute consoles compared to MS and Nintendo.
specialguy
Banned
Meh, we'll see.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Not even Big Bo could save Binary Domain. 
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Looking at that list, I'm surprised Tales of the Abyss made 6th on the 3DS chart! It did better than either MGS3 or Tekken.