nincompoop
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Do we have any idea how Tales of Graces sold?
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NPD March 2012 Sales Results [Up3: ME3 Total, Binary Domain]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Um, no? And certainly not everyone in marketing knows this because you're using the term too loosely here. 'Marketing' can encapsulate an enormous amount of functions and initiatives - packaging, viral, TV advertisements, social media, even product development in some firms - so making a generalization like this is pretty non-specific.
shinra-bansho
Member
Known sell-through put them pretty much the same worldwide in the 2011 calendar year; but 360 shipments exceeded PS3 shipments by around 0.8M.
Based on the known sell-through MS probably overshipped/retailers over-ordered in CY11 Q4.
Sell-through estimate for US+Japan Q1 was posted earlier in the thread. Europe (or rather UK+France+Germany+Spain) won't be known until Nintendo fiscal report.
I think he was strictly referring to the advertising function of marketing, and even then what he said isn't entirely true.
Company's use advertising when they want to increase the awareness of a particular product or service.
If a company feels their target demographic is already aware of their game exists (or is to be released shortly) then less money will be spent on advertisements. (TV, WEB, PRINT etc..)
Colonel Mustard
Banned
He's also forgetting the consumer acceptance sequence, which requires marketing/advertising for its first step. (Awareness)
Rated-Rsuperstar
Member
I bet Yakuza Dead Souls sold just as poorly as Binary Domain. The only one Sega can blame is their self. How is someone suppose to know a title exists if you don't market it in anyway possible.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Here we go again. What were you expecting from these two? 500k a piece?
They are both niche titles, Binary Domain was never ever going to do well. B-tier TPS's have never done well.
Yakuza has been milked dry. Three games in three years is too many for a series that has a small fan base like that.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
The Binary Domain sales are heartbreaking.
AcceptableGhost
Member
First they have to like, get a PC release date out there.
Japan should just stop trying to make shooters.
Vanquish is pretty much the ceiling on this. If a Japanese company can make a shooter that amazing and still sell like shit, what hope does a B or C title like Binary Domain have?
Vanquish is pretty much the ceiling on this. If a Japanese company can make a shooter that amazing and still sell like shit, what hope does a B or C title like Binary Domain have?
Easily especially with the much quicker sales on PC. Although this is one of those special console bombs so maybe it will be slashed quicker.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Not really true. Resident Evil sells like gangbusters now.
I want to know the answer to this as well. I don't think I'll like the answer I'll get though.
I'm never going to be able to play Xillia in English huh?
Pachterballs
Banned
sega should make it a DLC/psn/XBLA game - itd net them some money if promoted right.
Hey, I doubt it did worse than Binary Domain!
I dunno....I've seen a large contingent of fans online boycott Graces f because its not Vesperia on PS3.
Boycotts never work. They are empty threats.
CadetMahoney
Member
I believe Sony doesn't allow numbers out if they don't want to. NPD hasn't been the same for a long time now. Guesswork, rumors and ppl using PRmath.
famousmortimer
Banned
Sony never releases numbers for npds. They only release milestone numbers.
And even if the vita sold 5 units it wouldn't be DOA. It's possible for fortunes to turn around. It's happened in, like, every generation.
And even if the vita sold 5 units it wouldn't be DOA. It's possible for fortunes to turn around. It's happened in, like, every generation.
BishopLamont
Banned
Really now.
Pachterballs
Banned
3DS was almost dead til they did the price drop
ps3 turned around once they cut down the console to slim and dropped the price
ps3 turned around once they cut down the console to slim and dropped the price
BishopLamont
Banned
3DS wasn't almost dead, PS3 didn't "turn around".
What ? They released the psv numbers last month. They always release ps3 numbers .
No they didn't.
Really now? PS3 went from almost being dropped by third parties to best selling system for a few years in a row.
Pachterballs
Banned
you're wrong on both counts. but of course, if you're going to be that uninformed. whatever.
They said in a npd press release they had sold 1.2 million worldwide since launch and people did the Math.
BishopLamont
Banned
Oh boy really now. You have any evidence to suggest that? Best selling system? Where? Byzantine?
So do you think Vita is almost dead too? Sales increase as a $600 console drops price. What a surprise.
Maybe for you. I hold strong to my boycotts and I know there are others like me too.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
I'm not forgetting anything...
It's a famous quote by Edwin Land, which evidently people are 'forgetting.'
I suppose couch analytics win though.
/thisisneogafdude
It's a famous quote by Edwin Land, which evidently people are 'forgetting.'
I suppose couch analytics win though.
/thisisneogafdude
Yeah and then there was that incredible GC turnaround, and the N64, and the Saturn, and the Dreamcast.
CrankyKong
Member
I miss the glory days of 2007
What does that have to do with the post you quoted?
Extremely hard to deny that the PS3 and the 3DS situation has improved since they first released.
BishopLamont
Banned
Improve doesn't mean a "turn around", and it surely doesn't happen every generation as he said. Doesn't the fact that he says the 3DS almost died ring the bias alarm?
Improve and turn around is essentially interchangeable though. Also, "dead" may be stretching it a bit but its hard to deny that the 3DS's release was underwhelming, to the point that Nintendo felt it was necessary to slash the prices to get the ball rolling.
Btw, the person who mentioned the 3DS and PS3 isn't the same person who posted that consoles turn around every generation.
Jex
Member
There's a difference between "not doing well" and "terrible". SEGA's marketing team is clearly at fault, to some extent. Truly terrible box art doesn't help either.
BishopLamont
Banned
Turn around implies its fortunes changed, improve is nowhere near that. I mean the price drop on GC would've improved the situation, but you wouldn't say it was a turn around. Sure the 3DS' performance was underwhelming, but its not a surprise when it lacked a killer app, but to say it was nearly dead is a big exaggeration.
Yeah he didn't say that it happens every gen, but he mentioned that the PS3 experienced a turn around.
It did. Its probably one of the biggest turn around for a console I can think of.
BishopLamont
Banned
How? Its still getting outsold by the 360, the situation improved over time, but that has more to do with support not getting cut and the decline of Wii.
The 360 was selling roughly on par with the PS3 for most of the gen, would you say the 360 experienced a turn around aswell? How about the Wii? Is that also a turn around?
It released a year after it's competitor with at a high price with a lack of compelling software, poor online infrastructure, and just a myriad of other issues all impeded on its growth initially. Didn't help that it wasn't selling like the 360 and they were selling at a loss. Had it been any company but Sony the system would of been a failure.
Can you honestly compare the PS3 of 2006 to the PS3 of now and not say that's a turn around?
shinra-bansho
Member
To work out how much it had sold outside of Japan.
It didn't reveal at all the number of units sold in the US.
That was info gleaned from gaf posters.
Likewise PS3 numbers aren't given, they're calculated and thus are +/- 11K this month anyway; around the same margin around Vita numbers this month. The PS3 wasn't mentioned at all whatsoever in PR - yet that has no bearing on how it did this month, which was relatively well.
frankie_baby
Member
The 1.2 million thing was about as acurate as a certain site with a z on the end