Really well? In relative terms maybe, but it's almost impossible for a game to sell "really well" on Vita.
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NPD November 2012 Results [Up6: Black Ops 2, Halo 4, Most Wanted, Assassin's Creed 3]
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Really well? In relative terms maybe, but it's almost impossible for a game to sell "really well" on Vita.
Randolph Freelander
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Because it looks like the 3DS and DS are cannibalizing each other a bit, and combined they are nowhere (and I do mean nowhere) near the DS numbers from yesteryear. 2009 was 1.7 million for NDS, 2010 was 1.5 million.
@Sales on Vita PSN wont be that great though atmost 100k if i had to predict.
Vita PSN charts are actually quite useless but well few games have done beter in DD
terrisus
Member
They don't count software which is included in system bundles. They do count the systems though.
For example, the Nintendoland copies which are sold as part of the Wii U Deluxe bundle aren't counted in the overall Nintendoland totals. Obviously the Wii U Deluxe systems themselves are counted in the Wii U number though.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Can we be reasonable? Everybody knows the Wii situation, let's not pretend we didn't see what we saw. It could have sold more. Yes, way more. It is not mere speculation unfounded in any reality to suggest that. I surmise that dern near every system released could have sold more with more supply, so we can't get too carried away. If you'd like, you could therefore argue that Wii U could have sold more given more to sell, and it would be pretty hard to argue against.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
That's not my logic. To any casual observer, to anyone who was around during those months and witnessed the hoopla surrounding the Wii, it's obvious it would have sold at least a few hundred thousand more, and you know this, but it doesn't fit your argument. I'm not going to continue on this point, it's like talking to a brick wall.
Werd!
chertipros
Member
because it is the successor to the best selling handheld of all time and it's only direct competitor is not doing much to eat away it's potential sales. Plus the numbers are down dramatically from last year but it's obvious as to why that is. But honestly IMO I'm surprised it sold so well. There were virtually no releases for the 3DS this holiday and it still sold half a million
metalslimer
Member
A million is not a few hundred thousand more. It's over double what it actually sold. I never denied the suggestion it would have sod more with more stock. It obviously would have. Your hyperbole is what I was contesting which you seem to partake in a lot in sales threads.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Well if the world ends in 15 days at least I will know that the WiiU was going to be a success.
Thank you Heavy.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Months? It was one week, and that was also probably the easiest week to track down a Wii until 2008. Wii didn't the ground being the hot item *everyone* wanted, demand was driven by word of mouth and the frenzy really started in December in the run up to Xmas.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Hyperbole would be saying it would have sold millions, not a million, which is totally reasonable. 800-900-1000k, whatever.
Kacho
Gold Member
Thanks.
Yep. Slim pickings on the 3DS this holiday season.
metalslimer
Member
That's quite a nice range
Exactly. Word of mouth about Wii Sports was the biggest driving point. The first week could have been better, but it was still one week and to take is fact that it would have DOUBLED what it did in that week as fact is something I contest.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
For both US and PAL?
Yeah. I misunderstood when i read that NPD does not track bundles.
I'd really like to see how this breaks down.
Randolph Freelander
Member
If the world ends in 2 weeks, I will grant you that Wii U probably would have sold 200 million units if it only had the chance. If the world does not end in 2 weeks, well, it might be an uphill battle.
Clearly, the Wii Us chances hinge on the world ending, so the rogue interpretation of the Mayan calendar better be right. Fingers crossed.
Aquamarine
Member
Japan's 3DS sales are outpacing the US's 3DS sales now by 150K a month... and it has only 40% of the USA's population.
But 2D Mario + Pseudo-3D Mario + Mario Kart and whatnot still do a wonder for hardware sales.
And the system is reasonably priced.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I hope we get first contact on the 21st. I want aliens to invade so every country can unite as one and put all our differences aside to fight for one common good to defend our freedom and sanctity as a species.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Huge drop for teh 3DS from last year even with the XL, NSMB, MK7, are out. Not good at all.
Wonderbook is mostly geared towards Europe i think. I´m seeing commercials on tv all the time here in Denmark.
Wonderbook is mostly geared towards Europe i think. I´m seeing commercials on tv all the time here in Denmark.
CadetMahoney
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Petrae
Member
Already comping down in your second holiday season isn't usually perceived to be a good thing, especially when the platform that you're replacing comps up. 500K is not a great number when you compare it with just shy of 800K a year ago, and with a nigh-untouchable comp of over 1.6 million units for December.
Whether it's a price issue, a cannibalization issue with legacy DS hardware and/or Wii U hardware, a weak new software slate, or a gradual migration to mobile... Nintendo must identify its challenges and try to meet them head-on. Something isn't quite right here in the US with the 3DS, and it's noticeable.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
metalslimer
Member
The black friday sales vs the rest of the month don't really look great.
At this point I think they are just going to go with the flow. Do a price drop or two and release stuff like Pokemon. If there is a fundamental problem with the 3DS itself, only new hardware can really fix that. And if its because of 99 cent games, Nintendo can't do anything about that either.
Phoenician_Viking
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Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Lol. No it has not. GT and GOW have yet to release on the system if they ever get released.
Not sure I agree with point 2. HD Twins have been down a fair amount this year. Hardware and software (partially because software releases are down)
Last years declines were all Nintendo.
Reminds me of this.
perfectchaos007
Member
The gaming industry is cyclical. They reached their former low in 2003, new high in ~2008, and 2013 may be their new new low.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Both portables are pretty fucked, the worst of it it seems that Nintendo is pretty clueless about the situation.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Nintendo dropped the ball with 3DS on BF. They needed to do price slashing bundles like 360, PS3 and Vita.
metalslimer
Member
He was including 3rd parties with Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty. Assassin's Creed is a bigger franchise that God of War and I believe Gran Turismo now.
Oh Iwata has commneted on before and definitely knows, but honestly there's not much he can do to stop the huge wave that crushing against dedicated handhelds in the west. He could try some massive pricedrop to like 99 dollars, but then they would lose a shit ton of money.
COD and AS are far bigger games then those two.
True you can't have an endless stream of record breaking systems. Hopefully the platform holders know this. Sales to gaf are bomb or greatest ever.
fabfour64xx
Banned
Bad Vita numbers, bad PSASBR numbers, and I don't even want to know LBP Karting numbers. Just flat-out abysmal numbers for Sony this month.
Can't wait for the PR spin on Vita: "It's performed to expectations."
Can't wait for the PR spin on Vita: "It's performed to expectations."
How much money did Sony spend on this again? Jesus...
Wickerbasket
Member
That COD game is an embarrassment and won't help Vita sales any.
Father_Brain
Banned
Oh, okay, so we're in the "wishing up hypothetical games that I'm assuming will exist at some point" phase. Carry on.
More importantly, since you're committing the "big console IP = big on handhelds" fallacy, it's just a tad problematic that AC and COD are both more popular on consoles than either GOW or GT are on PS3, last I checked.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
We're reaching a point were the price of the hardware is not really the problem. Nintendo is still trying to sell overpriced software while neglecting digital distribution.
Those days are over.
They should have had the NSMB2 3DS XL special edition that Japan got with the game pre-installed, and sold it for $180. Could have been a huge seller.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Not really. IIRC BF3 sold 20 million copies.
GT and GOW COO have sold over 3 million a piece so yeah.
Nor would a good COD game...
kunonabi
Member
Good question. I expected it to fall off a cliff but damn. How much was the first month for it again?
Father_Brain
Banned
Liberation's sales ought to prove that. So should RE:Revelations bombing on 3DS, for that matter.
The audience that made titles like Liberty City Stories and Chains of Olympus successful on PSP years back has moved on to other devices for portable entertainment. They're not coming back.
metalslimer
Member
But Nintendo spends a large amount of money developing said games. For Nintendo to stand a chance at competing with iOS they would need severe price slashes. Also the 3DS just isn't going to be able to compete with the hardware being what it is. It was not designed to be a multipurpose device you always carry with you. I agree some of the software needs to be a lot cheaper, and the VC is a complete joke but honestly even if they did it wouldn't do much to help them. Dedicated handhelds are on an irreversible decline.
Edit: holy shit RE6 bomba. Things are not looking good for Capcom at all right now. 600 people and 4 years for this.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
2m per NPD it's first month.
Father_Brain
Banned
Those games came out years ago. If there's still an audience for console franchises like that on handhelds, COD and (especially) AC ought to have catapulted Vita into the goddamn stratosphere. (Note: By "stratosphere," I mean November numbers that aren't historically awful for a first holiday, or that are at least better than what dead systems like GC and PSP were selling in November near the end of their lifespans.)
Gianni Merryman
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MrGame&Watch
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The main problem is that the type of consumer brain age appealed to is on the iPad and unless you bring down the overall quality of your software you won't be getting to that 99 cent price point.
I don't think putting all that software for download does much either. Most people don't want to carry around handhelds along with their phone when they go to work for example.