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NPD Sales Numbers for November 2008
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EmCeeGramr
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I HAVE MAKED A POLITICKAL CARTOONING FOR THE VIDEOGAMES
Why are people attacking CheSpace? He made it very clear that his position was his own, and that of his close friends.
It is common for Wii owners to say "It's just your opinion" when a PS3 or 360 owner insists that the Wii has no good games and OMG how could anyone like it. And those Wii owners are correct: it is just their opinion, and clearly many people disagree with that sentiment. Likely the majority of people, if not specifically on this website.
So why is it not okay for someone to return the favor? CheSpace doesn't personally enjoy many of the game Nintendo is making these days. And that is just his opinion. It's aggravatingly hypocritical to insist that your opinions be recognized while belittling the opinions of others.
It is common for Wii owners to say "It's just your opinion" when a PS3 or 360 owner insists that the Wii has no good games and OMG how could anyone like it. And those Wii owners are correct: it is just their opinion, and clearly many people disagree with that sentiment. Likely the majority of people, if not specifically on this website.
So why is it not okay for someone to return the favor? CheSpace doesn't personally enjoy many of the game Nintendo is making these days. And that is just his opinion. It's aggravatingly hypocritical to insist that your opinions be recognized while belittling the opinions of others.
Saint Gregory said:
Perhaps Wii Motion Plus? I also, think they realized the crossover appeal of Mario Kart Wii and decided to let that be one of the big Holiday pushes. Also, Animal X and Wii Music are major pushes...ads everywhere. Those are Big Wii games this quarter. They just aren't that big to GAF.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
icecream said:
JRPG's stopped being "in" in the West after the original Playstation.
icecream said:
*looks at Nintendo DS*
I am aware that the DS doesn't light JRPG's on fire either but they on average do sell better then their console counterparts (even if it isn't by a very large margin).
That saying it just isn't JRPG's that aren't selling like they use to in Japan it's pretty much serious gaming in general. The Japanese developers have to learn that it IS NOT the console of choice that is the problem it is themselves. Looking at the charts over the years sales of pretty much serious games in general in Japan have dropped significantly. To me the obvious answer is how games share the same style, presentation, and similar gameplay as they did the beginning of last generation. I mean yes many DS titles in Japan are innovative but those are usually low budget titles and aren't really considered epics. What most Japanese developers are doing is either playing it completely safe by staying even more conservative or formulaic or try and go toward the (as this NPD shows) already over-saturated Western market. Personally I think it would be just mere common sense to look at successful breakthrough franchises such as Monster Hunter or new kind of Persona series to see how they found success and observe their gameplay designs. But instead it seems that they are just staying more conservative, to me anyway.
Busaiku said:
FE Wii sold far better then Fire Emblem GC.
AniHawk said:
2009 line-up.
BishopLamont said:
Muramasa will probably do as good as Odin Sphere (expected a bit less then Odin Sphere'd LTD in Japan). If they could market it right it could pull out pretty respectable sales.
Mad World however will probably perform similar to No More Heroes. It's pretty much a stylish violent game with an off-putting art-style targeted toward a niche market.
Sadist said:
Yeah, that's the other thing. They released so many games in the first year that pretty much all their development teams wiped out at the same time. There hasn't even been anything big for the DS since Zelda (RTG was an unexpected hit, but aside from that, nothing).
Saint Gregory
Member
Please, please don't tell me that's what he meant... please.BishopLamont said:
That's more in line with what I suspect happened but they didn't delay Wii Music which I can imagine would have benefited greatly from M+[Nintex] said:
BishopLamont
Banned
Because that's the only thing he says? After awhile, it does get annoying.Opiate said:
chespace said:
Stop trolling. For the 4 casual titles you keep mentioning, they released Metroid Prime 3, Galaxy, Excite Truck, Fire emblem, Wario Land Shake It, Mario Kart, Mario Strikers, Brawl, Battalion Wars ii, Twilight Princess and some others I forget.
Nintendo releases 5 non traditional games and all of a sudden they are only doing stuff like wii fit/music/sports/play?
The goggles, take them off
BravoSuperStar
Member
EmCeeGramr said:
boiled goose
good with gravy
Sadist said:
i think just having fatal frame 4 and disaster in the US during the fall would have been enough...
Those would not be huge games, but enough for the core gamers to have something to buy during the holidays...
I honestly believe there has to be a reason that there was not more during the fall.
I think that nintendo probably realized that they would be big no matter what and wanted to let a lot of new, less core owners by the console during the fall.
then maybe they are going to try to increase momentum in 2009 with a lot more core titles and a bigger install base to sell them to...
Summarizing:
If you are going to sell the same number of consoles no matter what you release, then why release it now?
Normally, these opinions come with snide comments like "Nintendo only knows how to please the casuals with Wii Fit/Sports/Play/Music and they forgot about the hardcore". In other words, they say those are the only games developed by Nintendo these days. Which is false of course.Opiate said:
It's perfectly fine if you don't like the Wii. But, as always, people take these comments out of proportion. And that's just plain tiresome. And done to death.
BLaZiN PRopHeT
Member
Fularu said:
Just wondering but didnt his post say as of late? You know meaning recent games.
Saint Gregory
Member
That could also be the answer to the question I asked but if it is Nintendo has already become twice as arrogant as the Nintendo of the '80samtentori said:
Exactly. That's why I also dislike all the comments regarding Nintendo and the games they produce/publish. I know the ending of 2008 was horrible, but I think it's just plain stupid to allready forget (or rather, ignored intentionaly) the games they gave us which were all great and fueled your gaming needs.AniHawk said:
Sadist said:
You can't have nothing at the holidays (or arguably for the last half of the year) and not have gamers be upset about it. I mean come on - people are defending a lousy end of 08 with TWILIGHT PRINCESS.
Gaming is very much a 'what have you done for me lately' industry, and Nintendo hasn't done much for me lately - and that sentiment is echoed by others as well.
BishopLamont
Banned
Maybe you shouldn't be angry at Nintendo, but at third parties instead? Nintendo gave us all they could for the last two years. Expecting even more is ridiculous, good games take time to make.Chrange said:
Chrange said:
This doesn't stand up to logical scrutiny, though. It's as if Nintendo is ascribed magical powers that prevent other games from selling. Why does Sony not have this power? Before this generation, many analysts assumed the PS3 would win this war even with a 600 dollar price tag, because the Playstation brand was so strong. In comparison, Nintendo's last system sold just over 20 million. Not only that, Sony is producing more games per year, and spending more money in making those games. And yet, no one seems to suggest Sony is a problem for third parties.
Why is this a problem that's unique to Nintendo? What intrinsic property do Nintendo games have that no other game maker has? For example, if I were to put a game on the PS3/360, I'd be competing against Call of Duty, Metal Gear Solid, Gears of War, Halo, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Grand Theft Auto 4, and many others. Companies seem to be willing to compete against the best that Konami, Epic, Bioware, Bethesda, Rockstar, Sony, Microsoft, Activision, and Ubisoft have to offer. Compete against all of them simultaneously. Why is it possible to penetrate this market, but it is apparently impossible to break in to the Wii market?
This logic continues to baffle me. Again, it seems like people think Nintendo is magical.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
AzureJericho said:
With sales like that the franchise is DEAD.
Valkyria has no future.
Opiate said:
I wonder that too.
It's even weirder than that, when you think about it: most successful Nintendo games are already genre kings with no serious competition or are unique anyway. It's not like you'd face too much competition from Nintendo releasing an FPS, an RPG, or every goddamn genre that's popular on most platforms. Hell, some developers are able to compete successfully with Nintendo in genres that Nintendo basically owned. Rayman Raving Rabbids has been quite successful, despite Nintendo's long-standing Mario Party series.
BishopLamont said:
I have no clue why people blame NINTENDO for third parties not doing AAA on the Wii. It's like people think that if Iwata made more of an effort to take the president of Konami out to lunch, then something like MGS4 exclusivity would have been a sure thing. It doesn't fucking work that way. Third parties do their own thing, they have their own plans, and the main reason they don't seem to be supporting the Wii (at least moreso for Western games) is mainly cause of the differences in tech between Wii and the other consoles. The notion that they don't do it because it's a casual games only machine, different market, Nintendo games sell too much, etc. is nothing but damage control.
edit: oh and what Opiate said.
BishopLamont
Banned
Pikmins!Andrew J. said:That's because Nintendo is magic.
Is there any other explanation for how good Super Mario Galaxy is?
Didn't mean it that way. It's what Anihawk said and I do agree with you. The Wii should have had a bigger title (or, a title for us at GAF to play and shut up I guess) but Nintendo's top studios didn't have anything. And when I see the interviews with NOA, they were expecting third parties to step up. Only mistake they made this year imo. Thet took a gamble and it turned out bad.Chrange said:
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Any indication if Silent Hill Homecoming was a successful venture for Konami?
Chrange said:
Yes why should 3rd parties even try. Even Ubisoft came out and said 3rd parties can do good on the Wii. Capcom and Sega already know this. Majesco can thank the software sales on the Wii and DS for saving them from closing up shop. Yup ,let THQ and the rest that are trying build up a fanbase win out instead of crying because they blew it this year like EA. At least trying and crying about it is better than not trying at all.
Money left on the table will be picked up by someone.
Eteric Rice
Member
I just want to confirm this as I'm talking about it on another forum.
Wii software is currently outselling 360 software, right? I mean, even in terms of third party software. It's just more spread out rather than focused on a few titles.
I don't want to look retarded, that's why I'm asking. :lol
Wii software is currently outselling 360 software, right? I mean, even in terms of third party software. It's just more spread out rather than focused on a few titles.
I don't want to look retarded, that's why I'm asking. :lol
timetokill
Banned
Sadist said:
It turned out badly for third parties only. Nintendo left the door open to the hottest club around and nobody else even wanted to get dressed for it. Next year I expect the bouncers will be back, and the third-party bitching will continue.
Also, I'm pretty sure one of Nintendo's top studios was working on Wii Music. Miyamoto has said many times that they put their top teams on the Wii line of games.
Because people seem to think that only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo consoles and nothing else ever will. You see enough posters on GAF everyday who still use this argument, even in sales threads, where facts will them otherwise.Opiate said:
And of course, the popular argument: the core is allready there on the 360 and PS3; why risk it on Wii when Wii Fit/Wii Play/Mario Kart etc. top the charts? People don't think beyond the top 10 sales.
BishopLamont
Banned
We don't know, that chart we had did show Wii third party outpacing 360 third party, but that was for like the first 12 months or so. It's guaranteed that Wii does sell more software overall though, I wouldn't be surprised if Wii third party software continue to outpace 360's though. Either way just stick to Wii selling more software overall then 360 if you want to be safe.Eteric Rice said: