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[Version 3.0]

Yes people have some crazy spin going right now to think the hardware sales right now are normal and indicative of a new console gen.

Right now 360 and PS3 should be selling like crazy regardless of a new console gen starting soon. That would be a normal console transition.

Yes, exactly. Re-posting because it got lost in the shuffle a few pages back:

In the August prior to the 360 launch, the PS2 sold 252k, the Xbox sold 136k, and the all-but-abandoned Gamecube sold 49k.

In the August a year later - 360 already out, and PS3 and Wii on the way - the PS2 sold 262k, the Gamecube sold 41k, and the Xbox had already been pulled from the market.

The next August - all 3 new systems already on sale - the PS2 sold 202k. And it did better than 96k in August for two more years.

96k is shit. It's not the hype for new systems killing sales. It's the age and price of the old ones. The new consoles should've been here 2 years ago, and the current ones should be <$100.

 

[Sandfox]

Looks like a lot of people are saving for the next gen consoles.

I kinda doubt it.

 

[allan-bh]

I suspect Pikmin edged out Lego City's first month. That 180k prediction is probably pretty close.

It would be a very solid performance. Pikmin 2 opened with 133k.

 

[antonz]

Splinter Cell itself is a bomba. Yes morons in the industry will use it to judge the Wii U but doesn't change the fact the game on all platforms bombed and the franchise itself is more or less being run into the ground.

Its sales across all 4 platforms is lucky to be in the 200-250k range.

 

[w1gglyjones]

Looks like a lot of people are saving for the next gen consoles.

People buying next-gen systems this holiday would already own a PS360.

 

[Bowler]

Sony participates when their numbers aren't shite.

Ah... I just have never seen a pr response from sony in regards to the npd's, like ms.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

We'll never know, but I wouldn't expect it to be in the top 30 for Sept. Seems like a game destined for a sub 50k opening.

over/under Anarchy Reigns?

Spoiler

 

[Freezie KO]

Looks like a lot of people are saving for the next gen consoles.

I'm not sure if the correct reaction to low video game sales across the board is to say "Well, people are really excited about more video games."

 

[gigantor21]

Anyone else get that sinking feeling that the early roaring success of nextgen platforms will be followed by less than stellar sales? :/

Infamous Second Son and Titanfall should keep them from plummeting as hard as the WiiU did after Christmas. But I don't expect rip-roaring numbers in most of 2014--not when there simply won't be much to play and the current-gen consoles will still be a major factor next year.

But that's the best you can expect when you don't have another Wii or PS2 on your hands.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Holy crap, 96k is the best?

8 years, man.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

$100 million down the drain for Disney for sure, crazy amount of money to push into this IP so late in a console life cycle.

Dat Lone Ranger curse.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Does sony ever participate in this?

They will once the PS4 does well, which is should. If the XBox One gets beat Microsoft will shift the focus to the XBox 360 or talk about something else.

 

[Version 3.0]

Ah... I just have never seen a pr response from sony in regards to the npd's, like ms.

I thought they did one every month, too. If they've skipped months, I didn't notice. But they only cite actual figures when they're good. Otherwise it's just "strong" and "momentum" and such.

 

[darkside31337]

$100 million down the drain for Disney for sure, crazy amount of money to push into this IP so late in a console life cycle.

Dat Lone Ranger curse.

Skylanders sold 100k in its first month.

They have barely supported the thing at launch, pretty much all of their big IPs will be coming out down the road.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Disney Infinity is #3 with ~300k sales. Pikmin 3 is at #10, is ~180k likely? I don't really know, just seems that the difference between #3 and #10 would be greater.

I probably don't remember correctly, but LCU did around 120K, right? Between that and maybe 140 seems in the realm of possibility.

 

[Raist]

I thought they did one every month, too. If they've skipped months, I didn't notice. But they only cite actual figures when they're good. Otherwise it's just "strong" and "momentum" and such.

They haven't for ages.

 

[Visualante2]

$100 million down the drain for Disney for sure, crazy amount of money to push into this IP so late in a console life cycle.

Dat Lone Ranger curse.

Maybe the toys will make the money back?

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Numbers should start improving again since the bigger games are now coming.

 

[Road]

Yes, exactly. Re-posting because it got lost in the shuffle a few pages back:

In the August prior to the 360 launch, the PS2 sold 252k, the Xbox sold 136k, and the all-but-abandoned Gamecube sold 49k.

In the August a year later - 360 already out, and PS3 and Wii on the way - the PS2 sold 262k, the Gamecube sold 41k, and the Xbox had already been pulled from the market.

The next August - all 3 new systems already on sale - the PS2 sold 202k. And it did better than 96k in August for two more years.

96k is shit. It's not the hype for new systems killing sales. It's the age and price of the old ones. The new consoles should've been here 2 years ago, and the current ones should be <$100.

It's not an easy comparison:

In August 2006 PS2 was nearly 6 years old had sold only 34.5 million units.
In August 2013 the Xbox 360 is nearly 8 years old and has sold 39.5 million units. (not to mention price)

It's really impossible to draw any certain conclusion about what current console sales mean for next-gen.

Edit: Just realized you're comparing it to PS2 in 2005. Makes it even worse. =P

 

[Saty]

Splinter cell bomba.
Xcom the bureau bomba.
Lost Planet 3 bomba.

 

[Busaiku]

$100 million down the drain for Disney for sure, crazy amount of money to push into this IP so late in a console life cycle.

Dat Lone Ranger curse.

It's not even the holiday season yet.
You guys are judging it way too early.

 

[w1gglyjones]

$100 million down the drain for Disney for sure, crazy amount of money to push into this IP so late in a console life cycle.

Dat Lone Ranger curse.

Christmas hasn't come yet

 

[pieatorium]

Yes, exactly. Re-posting because it got lost in the shuffle a few pages back:

In the August prior to the 360 launch, the PS2 sold 252k, the Xbox sold 136k, and the all-but-abandoned Gamecube sold 49k.

In the August a year later - 360 already out, and PS3 and Wii on the way - the PS2 sold 262k, the Gamecube sold 41k, and the Xbox had already been pulled from the market.

The next August - all 3 new systems already on sale - the PS2 sold 202k. And it did better than 96k in August for two more years.

96k is shit. It's not the hype for new systems killing sales. It's the age and price of the old ones. The new consoles should've been here 2 years ago, and the current ones should be <$100.

1. look at the sales in 2011 to compare to a 2005 market as far as time on market for consoles is concerned
2. There is no ps2 this gen the market is more split

 

[Nirolak]

$100 million down the drain for Disney for sure, crazy amount of money to push into this IP so late in a console life cycle.

Dat Lone Ranger curse.

This is a pretty standard launch for a game like this judging by Skylanders.

As toys, they sell steadily (though often off the charts) except during the holiday.

 

[ascii42]

8 years, man.

The PS2 sold 144,000 in August of 2008. That's with its successor having been on the market for nearly 2 years, and the 360 having been out for nearly 3 years.

Hell, it still sold over 100k in August 2009!

edit: But as people have noted the market is more split.

 

[The Elite]

FFXIV was in its debut week correct?
Pikmin3 was three or four weeks weeks covered in Aug?

Yeah. I think FFXIV showing up on this list is very impressive. Surprisingly so.

 

[B.O.O.M]

Sony participates when their numbers aren't shite.

Not true. They didn't do them even when PS3 did some solid numbers. At this point it's more about not number 1 so why bother rather than anything else

 

[Mory Dunz]

Yes, exactly. Re-posting because it got lost in the shuffle a few pages back:

In the August prior to the 360 launch, the PS2 sold 252k, the Xbox sold 136k, and the all-but-abandoned Gamecube sold 49k.

In the August a year later - 360 already out, and PS3 and Wii on the way - the PS2 sold 262k, the Gamecube sold 41k, and the Xbox had already been pulled from the market.

The next August - all 3 new systems already on sale - the PS2 sold 202k. And it did better than 96k in August for two more years.

96k is shit. It's not the hype for new systems killing sales. It's the age and price of the old ones. The new consoles should've been here 2 years ago, and the current ones should be <$100.

This.

 

[-MB-]

Looks like a lot of people are saving for the next gen consoles.

The people who gonna go out and buy a system at launch, are the kind that already had a ps3/360 for years ( and I assume a majority of those got either close to their respective launches as well). Obviously they aren't going to buy current gen systems now.

 

[Nibel]

Like squeezing blood from a stone

 

[antonz]

This is a pretty standard launch for a game like this judging by Skylanders.

As toys, they sell steadily (though often off the charts) except during the holiday.

Disney is in this for the long haul for sure. They will have their exclusive packs etc that will drive numbers. You can see how many people are excited over Apprentice Mickey and Disney knows it and will keep stuff like that coming.

 

[Poimandres]

Oh man... highest selling console couldn't even break 100K. I wonder how low the Wii U and Vita numbers are?

 

[Cess007]

The PS2 sold 144,000 in August of 2008. That's with its successor having been on the market for nearly 2 years, and the 360 having been out for nearly 3 years.

Hell, it still sold over 100k in August 2009!

I don't think that neither 360 or the PS3 are (or have the dominance) what the PS2 was; nor they have their kind of library. Also, the PS2 wasn't like $150 or $99 at that point?

 

[gigantor21]

Yes, exactly. Re-posting because it got lost in the shuffle a few pages back:

In the August prior to the 360 launch, the PS2 sold 252k, the Xbox sold 136k, and the all-but-abandoned Gamecube sold 49k.

In the August a year later - 360 already out, and PS3 and Wii on the way - the PS2 sold 262k, the Gamecube sold 41k, and the Xbox had already been pulled from the market.

The next August - all 3 new systems already on sale - the PS2 sold 202k. And it did better than 96k in August for two more years.

96k is shit. It's not the hype for new systems killing sales. It's the age and price of the old ones. The new consoles should've been here 2 years ago, and the current ones should be <$100.

This is hardly a normal console transition, though. The PS2 was a monster, and the PS3 had a horrific launch. Why else would Sony have been trumpeting those sales in the wake of the Wii and 360? Meanwhile, the Xbox was only on the market for 4 years and the Gamecube for 5. Plus the Xbox and PS2 were WAY cheaper by the time their successors came out.

It's not an apples to apples comparison at all. The current gen has been collecting dust in a way that the last gen consoles didn't, and there are no $100-$150 HD twin models out. Shitty numbers were inevitable IMO.

 

[Dlacy13g]

Well Sony probably wont price drop anytime soon given they are bringing out the 12GB PS3 for $199 to the U.S., a price drop to other sku's would end up competing with themselves as much as it would with the competition.

I think the 360 is prime for price drop but MS seems so very unwilling to do that. So its hard to say, but a $50 holiday price drop would make sense for them. Those looking to buy a 360 at this point are not likely to be also looking at the Xbox One as an option.

WiiU I believe had a price drop already...but if they didn't...they need one as they are going to quickly become the more expensive current gen console and the vastly under powered next gen console...

 

[shandy706]

Yes, exactly. Re-posting because it got lost in the shuffle a few pages back:

In the August prior to the 360 launch, the PS2 sold 252k, the Xbox sold 136k, and the all-but-abandoned Gamecube sold 49k.

In the August a year later - 360 already out, and PS3 and Wii on the way - the PS2 sold 262k, the Gamecube sold 41k, and the Xbox had already been pulled from the market.

The next August - all 3 new systems already on sale - the PS2 sold 202k. And it did better than 96k in August for two more years.

96k is shit. It's not the hype for new systems killing sales. It's the age and price of the old ones. The new consoles should've been here 2 years ago, and the current ones should be <$100.

How many years was that into the PS2's life.

Did you consider that?

 

[Version 3.0]

It's really impossible to draw any certain conclusion about what current console sales mean for next-gen.

That's not what I'm saying, I'm not predicting anything. I'm saying that people are definitely not passing on current consoles with the intent to buy the new ones.

I realize it's a fast-and-dirty bit of data, with plenty of room for error, but that one thing I can say with absolute certainty. Sales of current consoles are bad for other reasons, not that one.

 

[ascii42]

I don't think that neither 360 or the PS3 are (or have the dominance) that the PS2 was; nor they have their kind of library. Also, the PS2 wasn't like $150 or $99 at that point?

Yeah. PS2 dropped to $99 in 2009, prior to that it had been $129 for a couple years I think.

 

[slit]

Like others, I am kind of surprised Pikmin charted.

 

[Killing_Joke]

$200-$300 for current gen systems is insane. How are base models NOT $99 after 7-8 years? I know PS2 didn't hit $99 till 2009 but that was a totally different beast.

I wish we can get a breakdown on which SKUs are actually selling.

 

[mr stroke]

$100 million down the drain for Disney for sure, crazy amount of money to push into this IP so late in a console life cycle.

Dat Lone Ranger curse.

DIsney will do fine. It will continue to sell for months along with all the toys.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Like others, I am kind of surprised Pikmin charted.

Eh when number 3 only sold 294k, Pikmin 3 could be up there with 100k or less.

 

[B.O.O.M]

This is hardly a normal console transition, though. The PS2 was a monster, and the PS3 had a horrific launch. Why else would Sony have been trumpeting those sales in the wake of the Wii and 360? Meanwhile, the Xbox was only on the market for 4 years and the Gamecube for 5. Plus the Xbox and PS2 were WAY cheaper by the time their successors came out.

It's not an apples to apples comparison at all. The current gen has been collecting dust in a way that the last gen consoles didn't, and there are no $100-$150 HD twin models out. Shitty numbers were inevitable IMO.

Yep it's not a black-white situation to do a direct comparison of. PS3/360 regular models needed to be $199 'last' holiday season

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Lost Bomba 3
XCOM: Bomba Discounted

Spoiler

(kill me)

Splinter Cell Bombalist for Wii U

Spoiler

(why)

 

[Version 3.0]

It's not an apples to apples comparison at all. The current gen has been collecting dust in a way that the last gen consoles didn't, and there are no $100-$150 HD twin models out. Shitty numbers were inevitable IMO.

That's exactly my point, sorry if I was unclear. This gen has gone on too long, with prices too high.

 

[antonz]

Lost Bomba 3
XCOM: Bomba Discounted

Spoiler

(kill me)

Splinter Cell Bombalist for Wii U

Spoiler

(why)

Splinter Cell bombed across all platforms. Its performance is terrible

 

[BlackJace]

Lost Bomba 3
XCOM: Bomba Discounted

Spoiler

(kill me)

Splinter Cell Bombalist for Wii U

Spoiler

(why)

Bomba Planet 3
The Bomba: XCOM De-listed
Splinter Cell: Clearance List

Equally bad, I know.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

This is a pretty standard launch for a game like this judging by Skylanders.

As toys, they sell steadily (though often off the charts) except during the holiday.

But Skylanders didn't get the initial up front investment like Infinity had. Those sales aren't too bad for your average game...but Infinity is like the 2nd most expensive videogame ever made (though I think GTAV just kicked it down a spot or so).

 

[jwhit28]

I expect PS4 and XB1 to have huge launches, but I hope the success is sustained. I have a weird feeling we will be hearing bad news sales wise the whole next generation.

 

[Branduil]

The issue is that just releasing new consoles isn't going to solve the problem of no currently-supported consoles in the mass-market price range.