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NPD Sales Results For December 2010 [Up5: Some Kinect/Move Data]
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The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
What would they patch in? Better mission design?Kafel said:
Metalmurphy
Member
The problem is people talking about the future of one developer/company based solely on NPD data.RSTEIN said:
well, had GT5 had a deadline and releaased early november, maybe would have sold the same number, but it would have charted higher and that would have helped the game too. Sony's weird management and desicions made it split and chart lower in november and not charting in december. That is an example of something that a right management would have not allowed.Teetris said:
ShockingAlberto
Member
Well, not even "this game needs to be out this winter."TunaLover said:
I mean stuff like changing the date within the same month.
Because some people fail to see that there's a significant amount of games sold that are nowhere to be found in NPD's numbers. People talk about how company X didn't sell enough units to cover the development costs, for example.RSTEIN said:
If you want to talk about how a game is doing in the US, NPD's numbers are enough. If you want to talk about how a company (that is selling their games worldwide)is doing, then you can't just ignore other territories.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
RSTEIN said:
I absolutely adore GT5 but that statement is right on.
Well said.
I can't believe the Wii is still selling that many units. Makes me sick yo.
Well seeing as this is the NPD thread, let's stick to NPD numbers, hmmmmmm?snap0212 said:Because some people fail to see that there's a significant amount of games sold that are nowhere to be found in NPD's numbers. People talk about how company X didn't sell enough units to cover the development costs, for example.
If you want to talk about how a game is doing in the US, NPD's numbers are enough. If you want to talk about how a company (that is selling their games worldwide)is doing, then you can't just ignore other territories.
i like it too, but now with such a delicate IP.Maybe their only IP that is 'huge' (not anymore outside europe). I mean, TLG will sell way less but people will be pleased. GT5 has left many people somehow disappointed.
I'll give you another example of awful PD management: GT PSP. Announced before PSP launched, released in a hurry when it did matter anymore for psp owners, and with an average game.
One thing is freedom, and another is what PD has been able to do (because someone allowed them)
well, PR stuff, internet talk. everything helps or doesn't. Not that is that important, but when you are not the leader anymore, every little thing matters.
Dollar Sales
Not so hot year. Take out Move and Kinect and it's really not so hot. RDR the real standout in that top ten this year imo.
From a hardcore gamer's perspective this doesn't give much confidence at this point MS. One of the reasons last year went so well was a solid line-up all year. Should be interesting to see how they keep up this year.
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Dollar Sales Dec '09 Dec'10 CHG 2009 2010 CHG
Total Video Game Sales (New Physical Channel) $5.55B $5.06B -9% $19.70B $18.58B -6%
Video Games Hardware $2.19B $1.84B -16% $7.19B $6.29B -13%
Video Games Software (Console+Portable - New Physical) $2.57B $2.37B -8% $9.92B $9.36B -6%
Video Games Accessories $778.4MM $853.2MM 10% $2.59B $2.93B 13%
Total Software Sales - (Console+Portable+PC New Phys)) $2.67B $2.53B -5% $10.60B $10.06B -5%Not so hot year. Take out Move and Kinect and it's really not so hot. RDR the real standout in that top ten this year imo.
From a hardcore gamer's perspective this doesn't give much confidence at this point MS. One of the reasons last year went so well was a solid line-up all year. Should be interesting to see how they keep up this year.
Die Squirrel Die
Member
TunaLover said:
Heavy Rain is a risky game. The Last Guardian is a risky game. GT5 should have been a no brainer.
1) Make Cars
2) Make Tracks
3) ???????
4) Profit
It just seemed to take PD too long after GT4 shipped to get their focus on the game. IIRC they spent a year or so developing a GT4Online revision, then there was that whole GTHD fiasco of microtransactioning up-rezzed GT4 assets that went down like a lead balloon and was subsequently shelved, the on, then off, then suddenly back on and punted out the door GT PSP faffing about and I suspect that the intention for GT5 (the final version that they actually put out) had been to have all car models be up to the premium standard then they realised they weren't going to have time to reach that without extensively delaying the game yet again and filled out the numbers with the standard models.
Yeah. All you need is an SD card and an envelope and Nintendo will patch bugs for you. :lolKafel said:
http://www.qj.net/qjnet/wii/youll-h...-game-to-nintendo-to-get-through-the-bug.html
Unidentified
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As far as Sony franchises are concerned, GT5 wouldn't epitomize an "excessive budget." GoW 3 supposedly had a 50-55 million budget so they are basically in the same ball park. GT5 will likely sell much more in the long run if it hasn't already doubled its worldwide sales.RSTEIN said:
From most budget figures I see reported (which is typically of AAA games so it would be skewed), GT5's budget isn't extreme in anyway. It's probably only a third of the marketing budget alone of some games.
Megadragon15
Member
Was there data released for Move?Jtyettis said:
- Nice job ninty coming in the last min to win YTD but down YOY for Wii, but numbers are down a large amount YOY
- Great job MS this year, 360 brand still growing and selling STRONG. Coulda win it if it was not supply constrained. With kinect next year don't see this slowing down for at least a year, maybe 2.
- PS3 just plain bad, there can be no spin with GT5 (what horrible mis-managemnet) not even placing top 10! What a clusterfuck of a generation it's been for Sony. Maybe just maybe next year with all the heavy hitters coming out, we'll see growth... these titles deserve to sell more.
2011 - I see 360+kinect coming out on top of Wii. PS3 growing a bit due to exclusives and mandatory price drop. Move to be an afterthought.
sixteen-bit
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Nintendo hardware still doing gangbusters
Baki
Member
Sony saved themselves this December by having much, much better promotions and deals than in November.
My mind is still boggled by the fact that Sony had poor bundles/promotions prior to December. They should've expected that the Kinect launch month + COD: BLOPS launch month would dent them had they not prepared half-decent bundles. Sure, they can't do price drops but good bundles is well within their reach.
My mind is still boggled by the fact that Sony had poor bundles/promotions prior to December. They should've expected that the Kinect launch month + COD: BLOPS launch month would dent them had they not prepared half-decent bundles. Sure, they can't do price drops but good bundles is well within their reach.
Little Green Yoda
Member
So only 11 million before Wii2? :lol
2011 E3 reveal, 2012 release is more and more likely
be interesting to see how MS and Sony react if Nintendo does act first
yeah, yeah arbitrary numbers from PR speak
2011 E3 reveal, 2012 release is more and more likely
be interesting to see how MS and Sony react if Nintendo does act first
i don't know about the budget for GT5, i always read that PD where 100 employees and that is why it took so long.Unidentified said:
Whatever reason is the one, there has been a bad management , and they need to fix that.
i am spanish, i can't talk about US, but despite selling well here, very well, the buzz ain't what it used to be. Racing games , like fighters, are not king anymore. FPS , Mario, some casual games like Just Dance (which has been doing great in UK for a long time). I think Forza 3 didn't sell great too. So relying on a genre that is not mainstream anymore, is a bit strange.
well i guess those deals are like dropping price, more or less. And i guess sony tried to skip them in november but when saw the results had to reconsider that. They need to stay in the black as much as possible i guess.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
StarCraft 2 and WoW Cataclysm not even on there, and got beat by Halo Reach too. :lol
BoilersFan23
Member
The problem is a PS3 GT game just naturally takes a long time to create. Like I posted many times before, Kaz even said this himself:tzare said:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2007/12/kazunori-yamauchi-dishes-more-gran-turismo-5-details.ars
When it takes 6 times longer to model a car on PS3 when compared to PS2, that explains longer development time there. It wasn't really a mis-managed project, just that developing a car takes a really long time and expensive.
Also, GT3 was a huge game because there were not many simulation racers, not many great games on PS2 at the time, so it became a big thing. GT4 from what I remember didn't even sell half of what GT3 did, and GT PSP didn't really sell in NA. GT still continues to remain popular in Europe, which Sony pretty much knows themselves that's where GT sales come from.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Even if GT5 sold only one copy, as long as that copy was me, that's all that matters. That game is amazing and pretty much offers infinite content. I won't need another GT for another half a decade. Of course from a business standpoint for Sony, it was definitely a giant mess up. I'm glad WoW charted so high. It's not the best expansion ever, but it still brought back a bit of magic to the game that I thought was gone.
