Apophis2036
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Do we have rough US numbers for Knack and Killzone Shadow Fall ?.
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NPD Sales Results for December 2013 [Up2: Xbox One/360 HW, 3DS top system of year]
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Do we have rough US numbers for Knack and Killzone Shadow Fall ?.
Aquamarine
Member
Yes.
If you pay for NPD you get all of NPD. Though you really aren't suppose to reveal anything but very basic information.
Was the figures the cumulative LTD or is it solely for December NPD?
shinra-bansho
Member
Hmm...
Is Greenberg referring to 2013 or December with his numbers? I assumed 2013.
ethomaz
Banned
I guess the shared numbers are LTD, no?
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Sad that a mediocre Crytek game outsold these 3.
I believe Aaron numbers are LTD, not december.
theprodigy
Member
it almost has to be doesn't it, otherwise the Xbox One attach rate doesn't match up
December 2012 at 460K.
travisbickle
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Not as big as I thought it would be (xbox sales), especially if Sony's statement is true that if you add the 2 months together they are leading.
graywolf323
Member
that seems a bit nuts, shouldn't DR3 have charted if it really sold that much in December? I wonder if Greenberg is somehow including digital sales for first party titles
edit: nvm realized he meant LTD not just December
oconnomiyaki
Member
I don't know why the split around first-party vs third-party is surprising. The PS4 exclusives weren't very good. So people were obviously more likely to pick up third-party games with the PS4. Most people I know picked up Battlefield and Assassin's Creed and a few people bought NFS. On the Xbox, there was Forza and Dead Rising and even Ryse had it's fans. There's only so much money to go around, so if someone picks up Forza or Dead Rising, that's likely one third-party game they aren't getting.
Aquamarine
Member
Oh, he may be referring to 2013 LTD with those figures. I'm not sure which is right.
statham
Member
good numbers.
Does anyone have DR2 launch numbers? I'm curious how much being an exclusive hurt the DR3 numbers; those are better numbers than I was expecting, though.
Thats 2M, 500k more than the 1.5M claimed.
If only december, doesn't fit in 1.5m first party LTD.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Concept + marketing + system launch hype can do wonders!
Pretty sure Bayonetta and Metal Gear Rising have sold over a million.
shinra-bansho
Member
It's possible that it's December, I think. It would just mean a lot less third party games sold. Although I think it's more likely that the numbers are LTD.
Checking again, the 1.5M claim doesn't specify LTD or December. So in theory it could be either?
I thought they were LTD
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
?
All of those games, especially Devil May Cry, drastically sold higher than 430 k. Maybe not wonderful 101....
Wait, you're being sarcastic right? Man I can't tell anymore in NPD threads.
theprodigy
Member
4.8 million SW/1.8 million HW=2.67 attach rate
add in digital and bam, 2.9
so definitely LTD
edit: well I suppose he could have switched halfway, but I really doubt it
Penguins&PolarBears
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Huh? How?
We know a little bit about which games sold better from NPD order:
CoD, BF4, and JD'14 sold better on XBO in 2013. (The 3 best selling games of December). He doesn't mention Just Dance so we know it's not a complete list of games.
LEGO and Skylanders may have also sold better overall on XBO since they beat the PS4 versions in December. We know at least six 3rd party games sold better on XBO last month.
Metalingus5150
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I wonder how much the Xbone outsold the PS4 by.
Off Topic: The thing I like about this thread is that I can't tell who is serious and who is joking
Off Topic: The thing I like about this thread is that I can't tell who is serious and who is joking
So, that makes it 7million+ in Japan and US. We didn't any PR on reaching 10 million before the end of 2013 right?
Steverulez
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I took them as ltd in US retail. All 3 will obviously be higher (hopefully much) with Europe and digital sales added in.
Also we can work out what zoo tycoon did roughly from Aaron's numbers but I'm in bed so haven't been bothered to work it out.
So over 460k for december 2013, I think it's ok-ish for Wii U standarts, hopefully Nintendo deliver some other goods for next ND.
Sons Of Anarchy
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Version 3.0
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I wonder if there's any disparity in digital sales percentage due to the lingering distrust over the DRM backlash. I can't speak on it personally, because I limit my digital (with DRM) purchases, and have for years.
That means that these percent of US Bone owners bought them at retail, more considering digital:
Dead Rising 3: ~40%
Forza 5: ~36%
Ryse: ~34%
What are the usual percentages?
graywolf323
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do the math, Greenberg posted both LTD sales on software overall for both systems and then for exclusive titles
Huh? How?
We know this already from NPD order:
CoD, BF4, and JD'14 sold better on XBO in 2013. (The 3 best selling games of December). He doesn't mention Just Dance so we know it's not a complete list of games.
LEGO and Skylanders may have also sold better overall on XBO since they beat the PS4 versions in December. We know at least six 3rd party games sold better on XBO last month.
Because he gave total retail sales and total 1st/2nd party retail numbers.
A simple Total - 1st/2nd party gives us the numbers for third party
Duxxy3
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Eh, Bayonetta and MGR:R had some legs to them and went over a million. With rising on the PC, that figure will only increase (PC releases have very long legs).
Come back in a few months and see how ryse is selling.
oconnomiyaki
Member
Huh? How?
We know this already from NPD order:
CoD, BF4, and JD'14 sold better on XBO in 2013. (The 3 best selling games of December). He doesn't mention Just Dance so we know it's not a complete list of games.
LEGO and Skylanders may have also sold better overall on XBO since they beat the PS4 versions in December. We know at least six 3rd party games sold better on XBO last month.
Well we know that NFL fans are still mainly on Xbox. That answers that question from before.
There's a baseless stereotype we can have now: Xbox fans like football, PlayStations fans like basketball.
Huh? How?
We know this already from NPD order:
CoD, BF4, and JD'14 sold better on XBO in 2013. (The 3 best selling games of December). He doesn't mention Just Dance so we know it's not a complete list of games.
LEGO and Skylanders may have also sold better overall on XBO since they beat the PS4 versions in December. We know at least six 3rd party games sold better on XBO last month.
PS4/XB1 share of Just Dance and Skylanders sales was not that big.
Lovely especially for luigi.
Pretty good sales all around but the fact that december was still down 2% in spite of all of this is a bit worrying. This industry , despite all the hype right now is on the decline. The real question is how far down will it go , have we hit rock bottom or is it going to slide another 2% this year ?
I'm still hoping that XB1 sales slow down very quickly so the system gets a much needed price drop. Or a nice bundle deal, I don't expect such a thing until May or so but I'd love to see some good old fashioned SNES VS GENESIS style competition here. Right now the people buying either console probably decided to do so months ago and mostly are just following the brand - they owned a 360 so they are buying an XB1, they owned a PS3 so they are buying a ps4, etc.
Also interesting that xbox one owners are buying almost 3 games each- looks like 1 first party, 1 3rd party and 1 digital only game for each owner on average.
I'm still hoping that XB1 sales slow down very quickly so the system gets a much needed price drop. Or a nice bundle deal, I don't expect such a thing until May or so but I'd love to see some good old fashioned SNES VS GENESIS style competition here. Right now the people buying either console probably decided to do so months ago and mostly are just following the brand - they owned a 360 so they are buying an XB1, they owned a PS3 so they are buying a ps4, etc.
Also interesting that xbox one owners are buying almost 3 games each- looks like 1 first party, 1 3rd party and 1 digital only game for each owner on average.
lowhighkang_LHK
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NPD tracks online retailers right? Its only digital that they can't track?
Apophis2036
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If I was Iwata I would be delighted with WiiU selling more than 460 000 units for December tbh. I don't see a lot of people bringing up the fact that WiiU was going up against PS4, Xbone, their unreal marketing campaigns and extremely cheap PS360 bundles yet WiiU still managed to have it's best ever month.
People can compare WiiU hardware numbers against Gamecube and Wii all they want but in 2002 MS were no way as strong in the videogame industry as they are now and obviously Wii was a once in a lifetime 'fad' which will never be repeated by Nintendo.
Going on their current position in the market and it's current price of $299, people should expect WiiU to track behind Gamecube because MS have a much larger slice of the market.
Puppet Shadow
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Well, the 360 had a higher attach ratio, so it wouldn't surprise me if the trend continues this gen even if the PS4 manages to outsell it month to month (though I think January XBox One will again come out ahead).
I'm pretty surprised Greenberg gave actual Sony numbers, not just percentages. I think that's a first.
That's probably for WW. Aaron figures are for NPD.
Randolph Freelander
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Math. He posted a spread of 4.8 to 4.2 for overall software. Then 1.5 to 0.6 for first/second party.
Don't get me wrong, the software advantage overall is actually impressive, given we know PS4 leads hardware overall.
Aquamarine
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If it's LTD:
November:
Dead Rising 3: 212K
Forza Motorsport 5: 185-200K
Ryse: 185-200K
December:
Dead Rising 3: 314K (526K total)
Forza Motorsport 5: 257-272K (457K total)
Ryse: 231-246K (431K total).
November:
Dead Rising 3: 212K
Forza Motorsport 5: 185-200K
Ryse: 185-200K
December:
Dead Rising 3: 314K (526K total)
Forza Motorsport 5: 257-272K (457K total)
Ryse: 231-246K (431K total).
Chobel
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Huh? How?
We know this already from NPD order:
CoD, BF4, and JD'14 sold better on XBO in 2013. (The 3 best selling games of December). He doesn't mention Just Dance so we know it's not a complete list of games.
LEGO and Skylanders may have also sold better overall on XBO since they beat the PS4 versions in December. We know at least six 3rd party games sold better on XBO last month.
Simple math:
PS4: Everything 4.2, exclusive 0.6 so 3rd party 3.6
XBO: Everything 4.8, exclusive 1.5 so 3rd party 3.3