Welfare
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Maybe if games still were on a 1-2 year dev cycle. HD has stopped that from happening.
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NPD Sales Results for December 2015 [Up1: Super Mario Maker]
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Maybe if games still were on a 1-2 year dev cycle. HD has stopped that from happening.
chromatic9
Member
With TR, 400k US. I think ~200K UK, it was said to be well over 100K after week 5. It's at 28th place in the UK top 50. Rest of Europe must be at least 100k. 700k so far and with US selling something like 2.6m Xbox's surely the TR bundle accounted for some but was only Best Buy?
In Europe they did have Amazon and Gamestop selling the official bundle, not sure what other outlets did. Rest of the world 25-50k?
With digital at 20% I can see 1million
What's very good about the UK numbers is it's pretty much half of the US sales despite them having 5/6 times the population.
In Europe they did have Amazon and Gamestop selling the official bundle, not sure what other outlets did. Rest of the world 25-50k?
With digital at 20% I can see 1million
What's very good about the UK numbers is it's pretty much half of the US sales despite them having 5/6 times the population.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Developers dont pay the bills. Publishers do.
I very much doubt they want anothe 30% jump in dev costs just yet.
How come? With the X86 structure going forward wouldn't backward compatibility/cross-gen configuration be implemented much more easily?
gundamkyoukai
Member
How are devs being held back this gen ?
The only thing i can think of is VR games but that going to take a while to become big .
On the aggregate worldwide, on all Xbox platforms it does seem likely.
Obliterator
Member
CPUs are a pretty big issue. The ones in the PS4 and Xbone are terrible
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Which has nothing to do with the point that how much earlier a console launches has nothing to do with design but everything with what the competition decides to do.
Ghost Slayer
Member
I thought we were talking about sales? If not then I'm sorry
malboroking
Banned
Increases in power come with die shrinks, which are getting smaller gains and are taking longer and longer to build production lines for. The reason previous gene were shorter was because die shrinks lead to quicker gains in power. I believe the current systems are on a 22 nm die, and the new gpus coming out are supposed to be on a 14nm die (somebody can check my numbers). This is why this Gen will last longer, in my opinion, because it is getting more difficult to cut costs on die shrinks. Maybe there will be some new technology that gets over this hurdle, who knows, but I really didn't have a problem with the length of last Gen and neither did any of my friends. If you want bleeding edge technology, you should really build a gaming PC. Consoles are hamstrung by their pricepoint.
The CPU on the PS3 was terrible for games, that didn't stop it from lasting nearly a decade.
gundamkyoukai
Member
True but i don't see how that really holding back devs right now .
At least not in a big way that you have to rush next gen .
Silent Chief
Member
In January? It will sell if it's discounted.
We're 25 months in and some people are already wishing for a next gen....... guys pls, try to enjoy a bit.
One thing that SQE needs to take into account is that the more they discount Tomb Raider in Xbox, the harder it gets to sell it at high price on other platforms when it launchs. And it was hard enough just by being a lateport
One thing that SQE needs to take into account is that the more they discount Tomb Raider in Xbox, the harder it gets to sell it at high price on other platforms when it launchs. And it was hard enough just by being a lateport
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Yeah, im really not following your point.
Launching early is not something thats predetermined. You can only announce and hope you are ahead of the other guy.
More powerful machines doesn't automatically mean that games are easier to make. Just look at this generation. PS4's time to triangle is great, but the games being made are also exponentially bigger. Third parties also have to adapt to this. That means investment into new technologies on their side. Hence, lack of really big high risk games. If they have to upgrade their pipeline every couple of games then you are liable to piss them off. Unless you want the meme to go from "PS4 has no gamez" to "Next Gen has no gamez" expect next consoles to come in timely fashion, when everyone is ready.
EventHorizon
Member
Good point. I forgot RotTR wa on the 360.
The next gen isn't going to be like a typical console generation. It'll be more like a PC getting a graphics card update and some more memory. The next gen is going to be fully compatible with current gen. The devs won't have to change anything. All games will release for current and next gen consoles, but the next gen versions would take advantage of the extra capabilities to do the equivalent of increasing the graphical settings in a PC game. You'll get better visual qualities like better AA, shadows, resolution and FPS, but the base game will essentially be the same.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Its amazing how we can see the exact 7 stages of grief, abiet at different stages, from both the Xbox and Nintendo crowd.
Both ultimately are at the point that they are saying "my company isnt winning, they should release a new console and start the cycle again"
I mean honestly...smh.
Obliterator
Member
Oh yeah I dont disagree, thats why I'm thinking 2019 its just the one part of the hardware that could be an issue for devs right now. Its the biggest bottleneck in the architecture
EventHorizon
Member
People keep forgetting that there is already a difference in capabilities between PCs and consoles that developers have to take into account. More powerful hardware would just mean that developers could bring more of the PC experience over to consoles.
You think that devs want to go broke making games for the few PC gamers that would have a PC that can play games that the PS4 can't run?
These console more like enable the games that high end PC's are getting not hold them back.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Going from getting outsold 2:1 in the US to outselling your competitor is a pretty massive swing in momentum.
Honestly, if both MS and Sony release similar systems and don't manage to mess anything up with their messaging or design, they'll probably do the same as they are now. People are locking into certain ecosystems this gen.
Honestly, if both MS and Sony release similar systems and don't manage to mess anything up with their messaging or design, they'll probably do the same as they are now. People are locking into certain ecosystems this gen.
3rdamention
Member
Well, when Greenberg talks sales, or says sales are sold to "customers" it is still hard to believe if they are sold through to the end user or retailers. He was saying this back in 2010 when Microsoft was running mad game and their PR was on another level.
Maybe their stance has changed, who knows, but he was saying then that Retailers are their customers.
DoubleTake
Member
Do we know hardware numbers yet?
CosmicQueso
Member
What if there is an iterative step between this gen and next?
That's what people thought was happening last gen.
That's what people thought was happening last gen.
gundamkyoukai
Member
True but this gen lack real BC and this gen going to have big growth in DD .
So i can see it mattering more going into next gen.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
And to a certain extent, they did. I don't think the Xbox One would have been so successful in the US without the popularity of Xbox Live.
Obviously they completely botched the launch and allowed Sony to gain an advantage. I don't think either company will manage to so badly misunderstand their core consumers like MS did and Sony the gen prior.
Obliterator
Member
I've pondered this myself. I wonder if people would be willing to purchase an upgraded console. They wouldn't even need the whole market to do it, just charge a premium for a bit better hardware for better performance and get enough consumers to upgrade for it to be worth the cost.
No idea how publishers / the market would respond though
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Carmack said last gen was powerful enough to make games for a long time.
His meaning was to concentrate on the game and not stretch your budget on visuals. This is how we end up with the order
His meaning was to concentrate on the game and not stretch your budget on visuals. This is how we end up with the order
EventHorizon
Member
The big switch of gamers from Xbox to PS4 shows that people aren't locked into consoles across generations at least in the US. I am someone who jumped from Xbox to PS and would have no problem going back to Xbox if they had the better console next gen. However I will admit that if the next consoles have similar capabilities then people will probably stick with whatever platform they are already on.
I don't know man. That is my understanding. If a AAA dev wants to set me straight then I welcome it.
I'm against it. I will probably go full PC if that happens.
I think that is why Xbone is as close to PS4 as it is in the US and UK.
gundamkyoukai
Member
One thing is for certain if they are similar most of WW is once again lock for Sony IMO.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Good result for XCX. Man the 3DS and Wii U weren't that far off from each other were they....
Hey cream. Any chance we could get some updated LTDs of titles?
Like
Yoshi's Woolly World
Youkai Watch
Major'a Mask 3D
Zelda: Triforce Heroes
Splatoon
Bloodborne
?
Also, if this is the second highest month of software sales for the Wii U behind last December, a good bit of Wii U software must have sold? Last December had Smash Wii U at over 1M right?
Hey cream. Any chance we could get some updated LTDs of titles?
Like
Yoshi's Woolly World
Youkai Watch
Major'a Mask 3D
Zelda: Triforce Heroes
Splatoon
Bloodborne
?
Also, if this is the second highest month of software sales for the Wii U behind last December, a good bit of Wii U software must have sold? Last December had Smash Wii U at over 1M right?
creamsugar
Member
LTD
Z:MM3D ~ 942
MH4U ~ 458
AC:AHL+ ~ 9
FF:F ~ 93
S.T.E.A.M. ~ 50
XC3D ~ 147
EMD ~ 20
P&D ~ 103
SMT
S2RB ~ 42
LBX ~ 33
EO2U:TFK ~ 19
AC:HHD ~ 270
Miku ~ 45
SK2C ~ 16
Z: TH ~ 312
DBZ: EB ~ 48
Chibi ~ 57
TLOL ~ 31
PSMD ~ 352
YKW ~ 195
SK ~ 27
Kirby ~ 193
MP10 ~ 633
S ~ 849
SMM ~ 944
Yoshi ~ 457
MT: US ~ 67
AC: AF ~ 63
SK ~ 23
- Not include HW bundle
- Include special editions
Z:MM3D ~ 942
MH4U ~ 458
AC:AHL+ ~ 9
FF:F ~ 93
S.T.E.A.M. ~ 50
XC3D ~ 147
EMD ~ 20
P&D ~ 103
SMT
S2RB ~ 42LBX ~ 33
EO2U:TFK ~ 19
AC:HHD ~ 270
Miku ~ 45
SK2
C ~ 16Z: TH ~ 312
DBZ: EB ~ 48
Chibi ~ 57
TLOL ~ 31
PSMD ~ 352
YKW ~ 195
SK ~ 27
Kirby ~ 193
MP10 ~ 633
S ~ 849
SMM ~ 944
Yoshi ~ 457
MT: US ~ 67
AC: AF ~ 63
SK ~ 23
Primethius
Banned
God damn Cream, you're the best!
Obliterator
Member
Wow Cream just unloading
Yacht Club Games (Shovel Knight) would be one, LoL
[edit] Creamsugar da best
[edit 2] Rodea sales for Wii U and 3DS pls
Third month. It did better in December 2014 and 2013.
People buy full price or near full price (say 20-25% off pre-orders on sites like GMG) games on PC. Just Cause 3 is already sitting at 400k on Steam.
So the whole print of Devil Third was 3k+?
What is stopping Nintendo to just do a limited Fatal Frame release? Make it 5k and it will sold out in seconds.
Also great numbers for Xenoblade 200+, I am sure that game is going to sell more.
Edit. Damn, yk did much better than I expect it. Great news! I am really enjoying it and it scratches that Pokemon itch.
What is stopping Nintendo to just do a limited Fatal Frame release? Make it 5k and it will sold out in seconds.
Also great numbers for Xenoblade 200+, I am sure that game is going to sell more.
Edit. Damn, yk did much better than I expect it. Great news! I am really enjoying it and it scratches that Pokemon itch.
LTD
- Not include HW bundle
- Include special editions
Z:MM3D ~ 942
MH4U ~ 458
AC:AHL+ ~ 9
FF:F ~ 93
S.T.E.A.M. ~ 50
XC3D ~ 147
EMD ~ 20
P&D ~ 103
SMT
LBX ~ 33
EO2U:TFK ~ 19
AC:HHD ~ 270
Miku ~ 45
SK2
Z: TH ~ 312
DBZ: EB ~ 48
Chibi ~ 57
TLOL ~ 31
PSMD ~ 352
YKW ~ 195
SK ~ 27
Kirby ~ 193
MP10 ~ 633
S ~ 849
SMM ~ 944
Yoshi ~ 457
MT: US ~ 67
AC: AF ~ 63
SK ~ 23
oh Majora's Mask 3D almost at a million? sweet. Xenoblade Chronicles 3D did kind of well too.
Obliterator
Member
Over 450k for Monster Hunter is pretty sweet. Just a couple years ago the franchise was almost nothing in the US
LTD
- Not include HW bundle
- Include special editions
Z:MM3D ~ 942
MH4U ~ 458
AC:AHL+ ~ 9
FF:F ~ 93
S.T.E.A.M. ~ 50
XC3D ~ 147
EMD ~ 20
P&D ~ 103
SMT
LBX ~ 33
EO2U:TFK ~ 19
AC:HHD ~ 270
Miku ~ 45
SK2
Z: TH ~ 312
DBZ: EB ~ 48
Chibi ~ 57
TLOL ~ 31
PSMD ~ 352
YKW ~ 195
SK ~ 27
Kirby ~ 193
MP10 ~ 633
S ~ 849
SMM ~ 944
Yoshi ~ 457
MT: US ~ 67
AC: AF ~ 63
SK ~ 23
No Until Dawn numbers?