I also loved how he forgot Persona. Also one niche title won't move the needle much but what about 10... or 100? At some point a platform that doesn't need all but the biggest Japanese titles, indies day and date etc. will "die" a death by a thousand cuts.
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I also loved how he forgot Persona. Also one niche title won't move the needle much but what about 10... or 100? At some point a platform that doesn't need all but the biggest Japanese titles, indies day and date etc. will "die" a death by a thousand cuts.
DriftingSpirit
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You adjusted your original statement of the X1 "getting Japanese games developed for it" by adding "more popular in the west".
Which is it? Are you saying the X1 is getting the most popular Japanese games?
I disagreed with your original statement because I was including everything Japanese. I wasn't limiting it to how big or small or popular the title was. In that regard, the PS4 blows the X1 out of the water and then some.
Welfare
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How well does Persona do in the US?
The Mad Draklor
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That number is US-only and it actually sold 200K because the 180K figure did not count the Mark of Mastery Edition.
That is if the split will be 80/20. I don't think there's a single JRPG that's coming out on the XB1 between now and FFXV, meaning that the system has no means to grow its JRPG fanbase. Meanwhile, I can easily name you several JRPGs that are coming out the PS4 in the same timeframe.
I don't even know how to respond to this. Your post is kind of dumb. FFVII is timed exclusive to PS4 cause Sony paid for it. Who knows what platforms it could come to later on.
We can judge it by other games if you want. How about all those DS remakes that all bombed one after the another?
No I'm not. I just understand (what some of you don't seem to) that the importance of Japanese games in a Western marketplace has kind of faded in recent years.
Ghost Slayer
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P4G (Vita game) shiped 700k worldwide on Dec 2013 (including digital sales), no clue about US sale.
Overrall, the series top 6 million worldwide.
The Mad Draklor
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Less relevancy =/= Irrelevancy
Yes, you are. If a game is irrelevant in the west, then publishers wouldn't want to release their games in the west because no one would buy them. While several Japanese games do not put up impressive sales numbers, they still have relevance because there are consumers who do buy those games.
I didn't adjusted anything, first statment is a simple fact, japanese publishers are developing for the console, never said "all".
Hmm okay let's see
-Dark Souls: Bloodborne a spiritual successor to the dark souls series was exclusive to PS4 and proceeded to outsell both previous entries on consoles.
- Resident Evil: the next entry has yet to be announced
-Final Fantasy: somehow the single biggest success in the series gets a remake that is exclusive to PS4 and that doesn't matter because reasons.
-Kingdom Hearts: there are no previous KH games available on the Xbox platform and a rerelease of previous titles are releasing exclusive to PS4.
-Street Fighter: Perhaps you've been living under a rock for the past year but in case you didn't know SFV is exclusive to PS4
-Tekken: Currently there has been no word whatsoever of Tekken 7 releasing in anything except PS4 and maybe PC. All indications are it will not be coming to XB1.
- Dragonball Z: LOL at you thinking this is relevant but Dragon Quest, Star Ocean, and so many others aren't.
-Metal Gear: the last titles did release on XB1 but the software split was staggeringly large. So even your "relevant" games are selling a pittance in the XB1
- Naruto: both this and Dragonball sales are a fraction of the sales of the other franchises I've mentioned but somehow these are more "relevant." Mmk then
Yea that list isn't exactly making the point you want it to. Your mental gymnastics are staggering to watch.
Better question: Have they shown anything but high-end PC performance and runtimes of the game? Because at this point, I am wondering exactly what the end product is going to look like on either console.
No I'm not.
Last time I'm responding to you. A niche game can find success at 50k units sold. And that's perfectly fine. But that doesn't make it a relevant title in a marketplace dominated by much much larger sharks. A Dark Souls title sells a million copies in the US? That's relevant. Disgaea 5 selling like 30k? Not so much.
Wait, that duscae thing wasn't on Xbox?
Ghost Slayer
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Tekken 7 is coming to PS4 and XB1. PC is the one won't get it for now
It was but it runs worse than PS4 (not that PS4 version is better lol)
The Mad Draklor
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Fixed for more accuracy. Absolutely hilarious that you only focused on the "Yes, you are" and jumped the gun.
Keep in mind it's also likely that the split can be larger than 80/20 in favour of the PS4.
So, doesn't matter because you are saying? One thing is not receive a game because the publisher doesn't want to launch, other is a hardware maker achieve a deal for the game. Same thing for SF V that is a pretty viable tittle for Xbox One.
This is news to me. Do you have a source for this?
If you think sales projections and potential profitability on the competing platform didn't have anything to do with the decision to make an exclusivity agreement I don't know what to tell you. Of course they did.
I think his point here is that this remake's omission isn't based solely on market realities or considerations but on one publisher paying to keep it exclusive for some undisclosed amount of time. Of course, the fact that it would sell 70/30 or 80/20 on PS4/X1 is likely a contributing factor in the deal being made to begin with but the decision to make it exclusive wasn't done in a vacuum and only observing the market trends, it was done because a big bag of cash was put on the table.
The fact that its not permanent exclusivity tells us a lot about the deal, and it seems to pretty much just be Fantasy Tom Braider of 2016/2017.
The thing is if your console is very viable a title wouldn't get lifetime exclusivity in the first place because the lost sales on that console would be too big for the other platform holder to pay for.
It's why Tomb Raider is a timed exclusive and not lifetime.
Oh good lord. Let me break this down for you.
Bloodborne was a Sony/FROM partnership. Dark Souls 3 was announced for Xbone by the by.
What's your point? Franchise sells pretty well in the West.
Are you being purposefully obtuse here? The game is (timed) exclusive to PS4 cause Sony paid for it. Why do you think Tomb Raider was timed exclusive to Xbone? Hint: It wasn't because they just felt like it.
I already weighed in on 2.whatever. It'll be a niche seller at best. Might even bomb.
Another Sony exclusivity deal. Are you not reading what I'm writing?
Nope. Tekken 7 has been annouced for Xbox One. Try again.
Xenoverse sold a fuckton more in the West than any recent Dragon Quest or Star Ocean title.
I'm not arguing software split. What are you even talking about?
I said Naruto was a maybe. But I am pretty sure the new Naruto will outsell Star Ocean 5 in the West.
I've made my point perfectly clear. Your posts are filled with biased and inaccurate information.
FFVIIR isn't lifetime exclusive as far as I am aware, is it?
You know a game called Titanfall?
The Mad Draklor
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Arcade and PS4 versions are the only ones that are confirmed. This isn't to say there won't be an XB1 version, but so far, it has not been officially confirmed.
EDIT: Nevermind. There actually is confirmation.
Ghost Slayer
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Here you go
http://gematsu.com/2015/10/tekken-7-coming-ps4-xbox-one
Edit: actually, you're right. The game isn't officially announced for XB1
http://shoryuken.com/2015/10/27/tekken-7-heading-to-playstation-4/
It also hasn't been announced for anything else yet.
At the time EA definitely thought the PS4 wouldn't be that viable of a console for fps much less a console period. Remember they thought MS was gonna eat Sony's lunch or whatever.
Sure, but it wasn't being stated or announced as permanent exclusive, it was being announced as "first on" or "debut" or whatever the exact purposefully obfuscating jargon was. The marketing is clear in its attempt to give as little information as possible on the terms of the exclusivity, hence why I called it the Fantasy Tom Braider of 2016/2017, or whenever it comes out.
Welfare
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And XB1 is getting DS3 and it was even announced at the MS E3 conference.
When it does get announced, it won't skip the XB1.
It's timed and Sony could've very likely paid for that.
I think there was some sort of deal SE and Sony made during the PS2 era and that's why those games can't come out on other platforms besides PS. That's also why FFX/X2 isn't on XB1 or Steam, but Type 0 is. Heard it on here.
Paid exclusive that has been repeated multiple times that if it weren't for Sony paying upfront, the game would be years away.
It is coming to XB1, but currently nothing for PC
This is the US dude. Dragon Ball probably sells more here than those.
Fair point. It still sold a fair amount of units though.
In the US? I doubt this.
The Mad Draklor
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From what I understood, Sony didn't want the details of the PS4's specs to leak, so the company wanted Respawn to make Titanfall for the Vita.
I've had this same argument with Nintendo fans who think NX will be a huge success in the West cause it'll have Etrian Odyssey or whatever. These niche Japanese games don't do much in the West. Xbone missing out on some of these games ain't a big deal. I doubt anyone at Microsoft is crying over it.
tbf, doesn't dbz handily outsell those specific 2 in the west currently, if xenoverse got to 2.5 mil WW while only doing around ~300k (iirc) combined in Japan?
Exactly.
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Regarding Final Fantasy VII, has there been any info on the terms of the deal between SE and Sony? I scanned the thread and did a quick Google search, didn't find much. And I agree, Vena, the popularity of the franchise with the Sony/PS brand made this entire thing pretty natural.
I'd actually be curious as to with whom you've had such an argument because the last time this was brought up, it wasn't to somehow "succeed" but to carve out a niche based on domestic market strength and attempt to use that in the west. If anything, Pokemon and other major franchises would be the reason globally... aka first party titles.
Indeed. The closest DQs were DQIX and DQVIII but those are off by at least a million outside of Japan (~1 million in the west total for the DQs). And Star Ocean is nowhere near even that.
Nealand Liquor
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Since the ps4 and xb1 combined are up 47% over the ps360 during the same timeframe, I'd like to see, and at the same time would hate to see, a list showing major game releases over the same timeframe. I have a feeling it would be stark contrast between the generations.
Ghost Slayer
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FFX/X-2 HD is already on SteamDB and KH 3D is on Nintendo platform that has nothing to do with Sony but the remaster version only comes to PS4.
Explain me this strategy.
Yeah Nintendo's own franchises will be much bigger sellers than most of the 3rd party stuff.
The original plan was launch on PS4 later, that changed because Microsoft paid more money.
At the time they announced the new deal (late october 2013) anyone in the industry knew that PS4 would have a better launch.
NipplesAndToes23
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Results not that surprising, though I hoped at least one Wii U game would be in. Call of Duty, 2K, Madden, and Fifa are what I expect at the top during the holidays. It's been a while since I've been in one of these threads.
Actually XB1 has never been mentioned by name. All that was said was that it was releasing on multiple platforms which many then assumed meant an XB1 release.
This is the only statement they have given indicating any release other than PS4. many assumed this meant XB1 but there has been no official confirmation that is the case.
Edit: LOL looks like you already corrected yourself. So never mind.
Welfare
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That same SteamDB update had HL3. I will not believe it until SE actually announces it.
And what PS2 KH game is on Nintendo?
demigod
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What, I thought DBZ and Naruto are really popular in NA. Pretty sure they outsell Star Ocean and probably DQ.
Ghost Slayer
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Aren't we talking about KH 2.8?
The strategy of carving out a niche? Well it'd basically be the 3DS (strong domestic market, healthy to strong western software market for niche Japanese titles) just without Nintendo being split between two platforms in their output, hence the actual strength of the platform wouldn't be from said niche but from Nintendo's own considerably more relevant output.
I don't think just having niche Japanese titles would be the strategy... that's the 3DS already and it clearly hasn't propelled to the stars.
So, you think home platforms means PS4 and Wii U, or maybe PS4 and NX?
Welfare
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That's only for the PS4. Oh wait that's 3D only. I thought it had more KH games with it.
Well shit.
The Mad Draklor
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The problem is we're speaking in relative terms. We can objectively conclude that DBZ and Naruto are more relevant or more popular, depending on your word choice. However, that isn't to say that Star Ocean and DQ are irrelevant because people's criteria for relevancy/irrelevancy are different and subjective. For instance, my criteria for relevancy is that there is enough consumer interest for a game to be localized.
Ghost Slayer
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And that's what I am talking about. KH 3D HD, KH3 prequel and Chi movies are only coming to PS4, not X1, irony when KH3 is coming to X1. Make you wonder SE give up on X1
Edit: oh I just saw your edit. Ignore this then
I think PC is also considered a "home platform" since they specifically did not say the word for "console" in Japanese and I think that it certainly hadn't been confirmed for XB1 as others said it had.
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