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[Zerodoppler]

Kizuna and Arc Rise Fantasia are both coming out soon.

Are those supposed to be system sellers for the RPG crowd?

 

[HK-47]

The Wii is WIDE OPEN for a good, high-budget JRPG. Wiiiiiide open. And not trash like the FFCC nonsense, which they've already shown to not fall for.

Maybe a JRPG with a cast of characters that would be recognizable to a wide American audience....

Too late in the game

 

[HK-47]

Monster Hunter 3? Dragon Quest X?

Spoiler

Kingdom Hearts 3?

Sorry DQ and MH are not gonna be big here.

KH3 wont be on any system this gen.

 

[Eteric Rice]

Too late in the game

Not in Japan, in the US maybe. RPGs haven't found a suitable console in Japan yet.

Well, aside from the DS of course.

Tales of Ten might be our first real idea of what it can do, maybe.

 

[FateBreaker]

KH3 wont be on any system this gen.

Haha.

 

[MotherFan]

Quoted for so much damn truth.

Remember that even in the "golden days" of JRPG's, games were bombing left and right. Why do you think Parasite Eve moved from JRPG to action game? Why do you think we haven't got any "Chrono" games since Chrono Cross?



So true, I was happy to find out that Vesperia and Valkyria, two of my favorite games released so far this gen had no price collapse and are being harder and harder to find.

How is it good that the high quality RPGs are hard to find? Does this not mean less people will play them and get into the genre?

 

[jett]

Looking at some old NPD data...it seems Sega's Dreamcast games sold better than Sony's PS3 titles. Lulz.

 

[creamsugar]

DQ5 22,000
Big Bang Mini 9,000 (LTD)
Retro Game Challenge 7,600

 

[Grampa Simpson]

DQ5 22000

I'm not part of the problem on this one. I hope that this doesn't mean bad things for a VI localization.

 

[Johann]

I believe you because the proof is in the pudding, I can't argue back.

With that said, I THOUGHT it was because of sales that they changed Parasite Eve from an RPG to an action game, but apparently I am wrong. Now I am scratching my head because they changed the formula and a legion of fans were irritated (such as myself).

I missed my crazy maxed out guns in PE1.

Square wanted to cash in on the survival horror fad that was going around the time.

They even got a guy who worked on Resident Evil to work on the game as the lead designer. I thought it was very stupid for them to radically change what was a hit franchise into a more 'me-to' survival horror game.

 

[BishopLamont]

Nintendo and SE has alot of work if they want to make DQ popular in the west. Does anyone have DQ7 or 8 numbers?

 

[Eteric Rice]

I'm part of the problem right now, won't be in the future. Just so many games out. :O

Also, Sqare-Tax.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

DQ5 22,000
Big Bang Mini 9,000 (LTD)
Retro Game Challenge 7,600

and so, the so-called "real gamers", "hardcore gamers", or what have you, FAIL again.

 

[botticus]

I don't mind being part of the $40 DQ problem, but I cannot be blamed for RCG. Hardly unexpected though.

 

[Fuzzy]

I'm part of the problem right now, won't be in the future. Just so many games out. :O

Also, Sqare-Tax.

$45 CAD.

 

[Fularu]

I bought DQV and RGC, I have yet to buy BBM but will do shortly

 

[Johann]

Nintendo and SE has alot of work if they want to make DQ popular in the west. Does anyone have DQ7 or 8 numbers?

Magicbox via RPGFan has DQVII at 200,000 units in the US. Take it as you will.

A press release for DQ8 said 430,000 shipped to the US by December 2005. It launched at 84,000 in the November 2005 NPD.

 

[timetokill]

Maybe it won't be "KH3" but I can't fathom the execs at Square-Enix wanting to pass on the BUCKETS of cash they would make putting a Kingdom Hearts game on Wii. If it was KH3 it would be even more massive.

Think Disney might appeal to the expanded audience? I have a feeling it might.

 

[Linkup]

Magicbox via RPGFan has DQVII at 200,000 units in the US. Take it as you will.

A press release for DQ8 said 430,000 shipped to the US by December 2005. It launched at 84,000 in the November 2005 NPD.

Magicbox uses chartzzz

 

[donny2112]

Magicbox uses chartzzz

Older stuff may be okay. Anything in the last few years I wouldn't trust. It's enough of a problem to take the extra effort to find another source for just about anything from Magicbox, though.

 

[d+pad]

Maybe it won't be "KH3" but I can't fathom the execs at Square-Enix wanting to pass on the BUCKETS of cash they would make putting a Kingdom Hearts game on Wii. If it was KH3 it would be even more massive.

Think Disney might appeal to the expanded audience? I have a feeling it might.

This. Both SE and Disney are all about where the money's at, and as such I'd be amazed if some kind of KH game isn't announced for the Wii this year. Not doing so would be extremely stupid on their part.

Of course, I think it's stupid that Nintendo has thus far decided against making an actual Wii Sports sequel (NOT Resort) or 2D Mario for Wii, so it's entirely possible/probable that SE and Disney will follow the same path...

 

[Clever Pun]

DQ5 22,000

my purchase won't show up until march NPD, but this makes me sad

 

[BoilersFan23]

Only ?, I don't think that's to bad for a new IP tbh, if it's done 500,00 in NA then I bet it's done at least that in the EU as well so there's your million.

Edit - Wiki : "The game went on to sell more than one million copies in ten weeks, and become part of the European best-selling Platinum Range of titles"

From what I remember in 2007, the majority of Uncharted's sales came from Europe, so I definitely expect it to be over 1 million.

SCEA just doesn't drop first party game prices (unless the retailer chooses to). The only time they've dropped the price universally is when they release a game as a GH. I see the price of Uncharted dropping to GH, but not until August (SCEA tends to release new GH they publish in July/August).

 

[Lightning]

Isn't Uncharted GH in Europe though? It's not bundled here where I live but you can buy it cheap.

I can also recall Naughty Dog reporting that it was selling a lot better in Europe than it was in the US.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Man, I'm really bummed/annoyed at the low sales of pretty much everything I like.

I'll be back when RGC2's localization is announced.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

My only hope is that Raiden Fighters Aces if and when it ever releases breaks 20k.
I would be flat-out amazed if that happened.

 

[shykyoichi]

KH3 wont be on any system this gen.

It's SE and Disney's loss.

 

[timetokill]

It's SE and Disney's loss.

That really would be one of the dumbest decisions in game industry history if KH3 isn't made sometime during this generation.

 

[A Black Falcon]

My only hope is that Raiden Fighters Aces if and when it ever releases breaks 20k.
I would be flat-out amazed if that happened.

Looking at those Wii sales of Shikigami 3 and Ultimate Shooting Collection (first week only in that case, but still), yeah, I wouldn't exactly bet much on that.

Maybe sales of these games would be slightly better on 360 than Wii (because they are a hardcore genre), but I'd need to see some 360 shmup sales numbers to know. But I think it's just an unpopular genre here, sadly.

I mean, how well did Raiden 3 sell on PS2? Not too well I'd bet.

 

[Pachael]

That really would be one of the dumbest decisions in game industry history if KH3 isn't made sometime during this generation.

Quick! To the Nomura-phone!

 

[Busaiku]

Looking at those Wii sales of Shikigami 3 and Ultimate Shooting Collection (first week only in that case, but still), yeah, I wouldn't exactly bet much on that.

Maybe sales of these games would be slightly better on 360 than Wii (because they are a hardcore genre), but I'd need to see some 360 shmup sales numbers to know. But I think it's just an unpopular genre here, sadly.

Going by the sales of shmups in Japan, it doesn't seem that bad.

Shikigami 3 is probably close to 3k on 360.
Raiden IV didn't do much more than 6.2k and Aces 4.9k.

Ikaruga couldn't have done more than about 7k on the GC.

There are some that did a lot more, and/or maybe some titles I don't know of that did better, but for the most part, it doesn't seem too bad compared to Japan.

 

[Lightning]

The only way I see KH3 appearing this gen is either a new development takes the game or Versus XIII is cancelled. Other than that, I really can't see it.

 

[Eteric Rice]

The only way I see KH3 appearing this gen is either a new development takes the game or Versus XIII is cancelled. Other than that, I really can't see it.

Unless this gen lasts a long time.

I suspect Nintendo will refuse to change consoles anytime soon, when they can simply upgrade and change the Wii.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Looking at those Wii sales of Shikigami 3 and Ultimate Shooting Collection (first week only in that case, but still), yeah, I wouldn't exactly bet much on that.

Maybe sales of these games would be slightly better on 360 than Wii (because they are a hardcore genre), but I'd need to see some 360 shmup sales numbers to know. But I think it's just an unpopular genre here, sadly.

I mean, how well did Raiden 3 sell on PS2? Not too well I'd bet.

20k is perfectly reasonable I think. The reviews should be good(aside from complaints about lack of online co-op) and the hardcore market will be all over it.

Hell I actually think Shikigami 3 would have performed better on the 360 than the Wii(it certainly did over in Japan). I guess it was cheaper for Aksys to localize just the Wii version though. =/

 

[AlphaTwo00]

My only hope is that Raiden Fighters Aces if and when it ever releases breaks 20k.
I would be flat-out amazed if that happened.

There's some hope: It's total budget territory ($30 in Canada), and it's Valcon who's publishing it, which means it's going to be dumped straight to the bargain bin in WalMarts, which, for a game like this, might be a blessing in disguise.

 

[shykyoichi]

Unless this gen lasts a long time.

I suspect Nintendo will refuse to change consoles anytime soon, when they can simply upgrade and change the Wii.

Haven't you heard? This gen lasts for a decade. :joke:

I don't think SE will pass up the opportunity to make KH3. Possible that XIII Versus is nearly finished

Spoiler

(for 2010)

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[Lightning]

Unless this gen lasts a long time.

I suspect Nintendo will refuse to change consoles anytime soon, when they can simply upgrade and change the Wii.

I can't see Microsoft or especially Sony holding out that long personally. I suspect Sony/Microsoft will be releasing new consoles 2011/2012 but time will tell I guess.

Also, all 3 systems could make claim that KH3 should be on their platform. KH3 has every chance to be multiplatform. It wouldn't surprise me but Square's release schedule is such shit that it matters not anyway.

 

[Eteric Rice]

I can't see Microsoft or especially Sony holding out that long personally. I suspect Sony/Microsoft will be releasing new consoles 2011/2012 but time will tell I guess.

Also, all 3 systems could make claim that KH3 should be on their platform. KH3 has every chance to be multiplatform. It wouldn't surprise me but Square's release schedule is such shit that it matters not anyway.

I don't really know if it'll matter that much what MS and Sony do. I could see them stretching the Wii out for a looong time, just having it evolve as it goes.

At least until new technology is pretty much mandatory.

 

[Lightning]

I don't really know if it'll matter that much what MS and Sony do. I could see them stretching the Wii out for a looong time, just having it evolve as it goes.

At least until new technology is pretty much mandatory.

Well I disagree. I really can't see Square devoting such resources, money and manpower into Crystal Tools and getting the Kitase/Nomura teams fully versed in the PS3/360 tech just to make 1 game each. That really wouldn't make much sense, no way would that justify the creation of Crystal Tools so it is highly possible that if FFXIII/Versus XIII are successful that Nintendo fans hope for KH3 Wii exclusive are just not going to happen.

 

[AniHawk]

Well I disagree. I really can't see Square devoting such resources, money and manpower into Crystal Tools and getting the Kitase/Nomura teams fully versed in the PS3/360 tech just to make 1 game each. That really wouldn't make much sense, no way would that justify the creation of Crystal Tools so it is highly possible that if FFXIII/Versus XIII are successful that Nintendo fans hope for KH3 Wii exclusive are just not going to happen.

Why not just modify what they had for the PS2?

 

[cw_sasuke]

Well I disagree. I really can't see Square devoting such resources, money and manpower into Crystal Tools and getting the Kitase/Nomura teams fully versed in the PS3/360 tech just to make 1 game each. That really wouldn't make much sense, no way would that justify the creation of Crystal Tools so it is highly possible that if FFXIII/Versus XIII are successful that Nintendo fans hope for KH3 Wii exclusive are just not going to happen.

Crystal Tools are Wii-compatible.

 

[Lightning]

Why not just modify what they had for the PS2?

They could do that. I really can't see Nomura being at all happy with that. I can see a big spin off without the main team if it comes to that.

 

[Infernal Monkey]

Big Bang Mini 9,000 (LTD)
Retro Game Challenge 7,600

 

[Neo C.]

DQ5 22,000

Shame on you, Americans, shame on you.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Shame on you, Americans, shame on you.

On the bright side it's on track to beating DQIV.
Unfortunately DQ is apparently still small-time in America.

 

[Firestorm]

$45 CAD.

This is the reason I have yet to buy Chrono Trigger DS. I refuse to pay $45 for a DS SNES port.

 

[Firestorm]

Two or three name brand ones would be good enough to put a RPG fanbase on the Wii. Or at least turn attention to it.

Um, if the RPG fanbase isn't there already, what would put it on there? Star Ocean and Tales are high profile as far as RPGs go. Not high profile games, but for RPG fans I'd say they are. 360 still doesn't have a significant fanbase.

Unless you mean "Nomura games" or "Final Fantasy + Kingdom Hearts".

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

They could do that. I really can't see Nomura being at all happy with that. I can see a big spin off without the main team if it comes to that.

Stranger things have happened.

Seriously.

 

[grandjedi6]

ToV: 107k
ToS DotNW: 106k

You tell me.

Ahahahaha, and there were so many people who mocked me for suggesting that DotNW and Vesperia were close in sales and that there was a possibility that Vesperia had sold a little more so far.

For reference this means Vesperia is the 2nd best selling Tales of game in the US while DotNW is the 3rd. Pretty good for the franchise if you ask me

 

[MotherFan]

They could do that. I really can't see Nomura being at all happy with that. I can see a big spin off without the main team if it comes to that.

Too bad for him? What's the team going to do, refuse? Anyway, I think DQ X going to the wii is going to be a factor in where KH goes. DQ is always bigger than FF in Japan and with it on the wii alot of the fans will have one (especially since the wii install base there is much bigger than the HD systems combined.) There really is no reason to put it on the HD systems except pride, especially since Crystal Tools works on wii.