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NPD Sales Results for February 2015 [Nintendo Numbers, Majora's, MH4, ~XB1]
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Killroyskbg
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Joke post? Have to be joke post.
Steverulez
Member
Yeah, it does sound a bit too early for a MGS5 bundle but it really depends on how desperate Sony is to stay competitive in November and December, now that Uncharted 4 is delayed
Phoenician_Viking
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LOL. It´s like people ignore all the software that is listed.
"Home console hardware declined 5 percent as gains in eighth-generation console sales could not offset the 41 percent loss in dollar sales of seventh generation hardware,” NPD analyst Liam Callahan said."
Last Feb it was:
360: 114K
PS3: 103K
In terms of PS4 pricing, Sony will do price cuts based on what is best for their worldwide sales trajectory. They don't need to really worry about competing with MS because people will be buying the PS4 to play the best versions of COD, AC, MGS etc.
MS on the other hand will suffer from some diminishing returns as they won't replicate the impact of last November where the price of entry was close to half what it was at launch(considering bundles). I guess they could go for $249 bundles this year, but then they'll get the diminishing returns the next few years.
Long before Minecraft does apparently. That game just won't die.
Do they not include operating costs in any capacity in the reports?
In any case, any statement about money lost or gained from XBone is a tale from a derriere.
Birgitte2004
Member
Every time Microsoft has a big game people immediately jump on the "bundle" band-wagon.
Why?
Do people not realize the point of big games is to actually make money off the game? And that by bundling it you immediately lose some of that?
I understand some bundles will happen. But if every single game they make of note gets bundled you are seriously killing profits, and for what? So that your next game will get bundled too?
Why?
Do people not realize the point of big games is to actually make money off the game? And that by bundling it you immediately lose some of that?
I understand some bundles will happen. But if every single game they make of note gets bundled you are seriously killing profits, and for what? So that your next game will get bundled too?
Goodacre0081
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Pachter agrees with you
http://gamingbolt.com/microsoft-des...g-matters-more-to-them-than-short-term-profit
They themselves have set that precedent, look at Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive.
It is all speculation right now but let me weigh in. I think that 343i lost a lot of credibility with the release of MCC so i for once will wait with a day1 purchase of H5 (big fan here) , TR will not make a big impact if it will be not well advertised as MS "exclusive" - general opinion of a game that is available on all platforms. When Sony does not bring any exclusives to the table it will not change much. My theory is that this holiday season will be under the banner of Star Wars , anything to do with that brand will bring sales and the company who scores a deal with EA on exclusive content for Battlefront(if it releases this fall) will have the upper hand. Nov, Dec will belong to Star Wars, so i think it would be wise for MS to release new Halo and TR before that period.
I think it is very possible that we'll get some type of console version of 4U, even if it is only a mildly upgraded port of 4U. If Revelaitons 1 made the jump from 3DS to console, so can Monster Hunter.
Monster Hunter's 3rd Generation consisted of (I hope this is complete):
Monster Hunter 3/Tri (Wii)
Monster Hunter Portable 3rd (PSP)
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate/G (3DS, Wii U)
So far the 4th generation only has 4 and 4 U/G. As for 5, god only knows. It will probably won't come out until 2016 or 2017. Given that, I think it's definitely possible that they will try to stretch out 4 for another few releases. I think we might get one more 3DS release, with that release also coming to consoles in some form. The relative success of those releases will probably dictate what they do with the series going forward.
/wild speculation
zomgbbqftw
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Not at the division level:
https://view.officeapps.live.com/op...Assets/Downloads/FY15/Q2/MSFT_FY15Q2_10Q.docx
Page 31 of this report shows the gross margin for the gaming division, but on the page below they only show the operating profit for the whole consumer division which includes Windows licences sold to consumer channels so is completely useless.
There is no way of judging whether Xbox makes or loses money.
Not 358k?
JoeyJungle
Banned
wtf PS4 is already a quarter of the LTD sales of the PS3?? That's nuts!
hodayathink
Member
And, IIRC, Microsoft's Android payments go into the division that they put Xbox and Surface in, so that alone could buoy the division into profitability even if the products aren't doing that well.
The 290k is trivial compared to the 2.7 million copies MH4U already sold in Japan. Even more so when you consider that 4U is essentially an expansion pack to MH4 vanhilla, which has already sold 4.1 million copies.
The Order is a disaster and MH4U is a mega hit.
Losing Uncharted 4 is a big blow, but Uncharted 4 was never really a 2015 game, so Sony has had a long time to prepare for this. Surely they have something up their sleeves?
Personally, I think a price cut worldwide would make sense, and before anyone counters this with "bububut it's selling like hotcakes" then I'd like to remind them that PS2 dropped price when it was also selling like hotcakes.
It was announced as 2015 in the E3 trailer wasnt it?
I'm aware. But lol at that.
Great news for Monster Hunter!
To start with MH is essential an action RPG series (by loose definition) and this one actually has a fairly robust story. Beyond that, there are thousands of items that all needed to be translated/renamed. The head of localization ran a blog leading up the game's release and this is one of the topics he mentioned.
/Randomness
Ironically, it has more text than most RPGs (although maybe not DQ titles).
To start with MH is essential an action RPG series (by loose definition) and this one actually has a fairly robust story. Beyond that, there are thousands of items that all needed to be translated/renamed. The head of localization ran a blog leading up the game's release and this is one of the topics he mentioned.
/Randomness
Final Verdict
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Yeah, I agree, MS will almost surely drop to $299, and I think it will be an official WW pricecut, not just for the US.
Alright!! Your on!
But just remember, limited deals don't count.
Also, interesting about SSO numbers.
I wonder if it would have sold about the same as TO 1886 for it's first month if it would have had the same amount of days tracking....I wouldn't be surprised if thier LTDs end up very similar.
Last gen was going in slow motion with the exception of the Wii, it took nearly twice as long for PS360 to not even reach what PS2 achieved in 5 years.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Late responding to this...but I'd love some of what you are "dabbling" in if you think Bloodborne will clear 500K in the US first month. For comparison, Evolve across 3 platforms sold 500K....It will be lucky to sell more than The Order.
vpance
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If it did make money they'd probably separate it out. So I guess we should infer the opposite.
I don't know, dude. The 342K figure I got is from this thread and was calculated by other posters. I don't know how to get the numbers from the pie chart myself. Feel free to try it yourself if you know how
IndoAssassin
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I predict that by the end of the year the gap between PS4 and X1 in America will be between 300-500k. Unless PS4 drops price which I highly doubt.
Cthulhu_Steev
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This is what I don't get - if you use the TV HDMI-in doesn't the console have to be always-on and connected to Live even if you're watching TVTVTV? So they collect numbers Live access even if the user is watching The Price is (Just About) Right?
Thanks, that's helpful.
Yo what's this from?
Let's not spoil the thread with whimsical Pachter quotes.
FF Seraphim
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In the US? Who knows, worldwide.. harder to gauge without knowing European numbers since Sony exclusives tend to do better over there.
I guess it's already being heavily rumored and suggested here that Sony already has a partnership with EA with Battlefront.
I think if that's the case Sony really doesn't need an exclusive this holiday even though I'm sure they will have one.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Halo and Tomb Raider won't sell better than CoD and Assassin's Creed. Putting the weight of the world on those two franchises is misguided.
Microsofts warchest is much bigger than Sony and Nintendo.
Their warchest is MUCH smaller than Apple. Not nearly as comparable.
Final Verdict
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I don't know. I think that they will boost X1 sales significantly, but as far as 'saving' it.....well first of all it doesn't need saving in the US or UK....it is mainly the rest of the world that it struggles in, and so if we are talking about the rest of world, then I think that no, these games will not make a big difference at all.
But as far as the PS4 not having anything to combat it....I have a feeling that Sony has something big up it's sleeve...
I find it interesting though how thier spring lineups are seeming stronger than thier fall lineups....
This year we have BB and The Order, and possibly Tearaway for summer...
And for the Fall, the only thing we know that we might get is Until Dawn, and maybe Deep Down?
And next Spring we will have Street Fighter V and Uncharted 4....just think about that for a minute or two...
Let's not forget that TR is also on 360, which doesn't really help. Halo 5 will certainly move units though.
Final Verdict
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Agree. It only has like one week of tracking, so ~200-250k would be considered very good for them I think.
I had to hunt for it too.
Its a Sony Bravia Commercial of all things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU-6aBxnQQM
The lack of applicable sound effects and music make it a utterly terrible ad.
qa_engineer
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So is the Order an actual sales disaster or is that just GAF hyperbole?
Yeah hyperbole IMO. It sold well all things considered.
I'd have to see worldwide numbers to determine where it stands.
Spieler Eins
Member
I'm not sure you'd want a game with 5 years of big budget development and sumptuous marketing barely charting above some Japanese niche title.
Steverulez
Member
Well without knowing how much it cost and needed to make to break-even/earn a profit its hard to know that for sure. I'd describe it as "ok" personally, not necessarily bad, or good.
hodayathink
Member
At this point, unless it's doing absolutely spectacularly (i.e. GTA 5), gaming companies are obfuscating the numbers even if they're good. For example, see Activision with Destiny sales, or EA with Titanfall sales.
Nightengale
Member
Regarding The Order, we don't know.
Even if Sony greenlits a sequel, we won't necessarily know.
Shu Yoshida once said that only 4 out of 10 games are 'profitable', and even amongst the profitable ones, the big hitters are the real money makers that make up for the losses of the 6 other games.
Even if Sony greenlits a sequel, we won't necessarily know.
Shu Yoshida once said that only 4 out of 10 games are 'profitable', and even amongst the profitable ones, the big hitters are the real money makers that make up for the losses of the 6 other games.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
Wild speculation indeed...
I just don't see where this is coming from and if feels more like port begging/wishful thinking to me.The series did good here in the US for the longest time but it's still nowhere near the millions it sells day 1 in Japan and simply put Console versions of Monster Hunter don't sell well enough in Capcom's eyes to justify making one not to mention Capcom already said its not happening (for MH4U) so the dream was dead before it began.