That is why they paid for Tomb Raider exclusivity
I don't think it can be a system seller, even here in Europe.
I am afraid this deal is going to hurt the game more than help the console.
That is why they paid for Tomb Raider exclusivity
That is why they paid for Tomb Raider exclusivity
I don't think it can be a system seller, even here in Europe.
I am afraid this deal is going to hurt the game more than help the console.
Looks like it. I don't think its really that bad of an idea. The majority of their yearly sales happen in a 2 month period.
Microsoft should bundle TR with every Xbone from its release until the end of the year, I'll be pissed if it bombs & Square cans the franchise.
PS4 ~193k
XB1 ~153k
WiU ~64k
360 ~40k
PS3 ~35k
Wii ~8k
It's not like Microsoft has a choice - they killed their internal studios so their output is low and probably expected that after initial wave of exclusives that TV/sports and 3rd party games will carry them forward in second year.
They'll use the same play they did with Assassin's Creed. Pricecut to $299 with Tomb Raider 2013 and Rise bundled in.
If anything, they more than likely expected that (positive) buzz of Halo MCC would continue on during the first half of this year -- Release dates are planned many months in advance.
Xbox One will have an onslaught of games during the second half of the year to the point in which I'm still trying to figure out how they will fit everything in so it will have a proper release and not get overshadowed.
Most of TR's sales came from Europe on PS3, it's a pretty big franchise in EU, the only question is whether its big enough that people would buy a console for it.
When I say non-event I mean I seriously - like seriously - doubt it's going to move enough consoles for MS to make any real noticeable difference. Particularly in Europe. Most people in Europe are simply going to wait for it to hit PS4/PS3.How many units did Titanfall sell? TR sold on average 1.2 million per platform (6 million overall on 5 platforms), & the majority of TR sales were on Europe where Xbox was never strong. But I see it selling around ~3 million if Microsoft gives it the push it deserves, I really hope MS doesn't screw it up because I loved the reboot & I don't want the franchise to die.
I don't agree with it being a non-event though, TR is big mostly in Europe, it might move a few Xbox Ones there
Not when it is common knowledge the game will also be arriving on the more popular/desirable console a little further down the line.
Not when it is common knowledge the game will also be arriving on the more popular/desirable console a little further down the line.
from a little earlier in the thread
Not when it is common knowledge the game will also be arriving on the more popular/desirable console a little further down the line.
Common knowledge? I doubt the fact that the game will be an Xbox timed exclusive is common knowledge to the mainstream audience right now -- thinking many won't find out until around the time that game releases.
Common knowledge? I doubt the fact that the game will be an Xbox timed exclusive is common knowledge to the mainstream audience right now -- thinking many won't find out until around the time that game releases.
Edit: I see you are talking about Europe though... Maybe different there as the series is more popular in that territory.
SE won't can the franchise and they will launch definitive edition back to PS4/PC and continue the next game from here as multi.Microsoft should bundle TR with every Xbone from its release until the end of the year, I'll be pissed if it bombs & Square cans the franchise.
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Most of TR's sales came from Europe on PS3, it's a pretty big franchise in EU, the only question is whether its big enough that people would buy a console for it.
Someone is going to say enough is enough with the bleeding of the money eventually.A single season in a single market (and bleeding money)
Compounded by that Uncharted can easily satisfy that specific itch until Tomb Raider's exclusivity deal ends and you may have the perfect storm of poorer than expected sales.
There was enough of an uproar surrounding the game that I'd be surprised if it isn't by word of mouth when it eventually nears release date
i doubt people know about the exclusivity deal.
''not playing tomb raider on my playstation?are u crazy'' something like that
Most of TR's sales came from Europe on PS3, it's a pretty big franchise in EU, the only question is whether its big enough that people would buy a console for it.
Common knowledge? I doubt the fact that the game will be an Xbox timed exclusive is common knowledge to the mainstream audience right now -- thinking many won't find out until around the time that game releases.
Edit: I see you are talking about Europe though... Maybe different there as the series is more popular in that territory.
Common knowledge? I doubt the fact that the game will be an Xbox timed exclusive is common knowledge to the mainstream audience right now -- thinking many won't find out until around the time that game releases.
Edit: I see you are talking about Europe though... Maybe different there as the series is more popular in that territory.
As far as tomb raider, people know about it, we been talking about it since the summer and I'm pretty sure a lot of us talk to people off line as well right.
I think GAF often grossly underestimates general market awareness of trends or how it learns from past experience. I'd hesitate to speak to US but in Europe I'd expect bulk of market to either figure it'll come to later PS later 'cause in Europe the view is most MS exclusives are merely temporary or they'll go "what" close to launch when they see Xbox only and at that point they'll pick up message on the deal "having a duration".
The European market learnt last gen to buy it's preferred brand (PS) and be patient. As an aside that's part of the issue with MS strategy outside US. The market has learnt a behaviour that doesn't actually work in MS favour. IMHO MS really, really needs to invest in XB1 only full exclusives and make damn sure they stay on XB1 if it want's to have any hope of improving outside US.
Either way history indicates it's unlikely people are going to blindly assume TR is full exclusive and buy an Xbox for it so I think we're all talking around more unlikely options vs the likely option - it won't make much difference as a timed exclusive.
No way to be sure until after the fact of course.
from a little earlier in the thread
January sales.Such low numbers... :|
That's the crux of it more broadly. Personally I still see MS smuggling in consumer domain in terms of devices. Their DNA is so based on being market leader and having broad reach as a result.This also impacts next-gen. Sony will want to make sure they never give MS a huge headstart again, because they know they have the brand value (very strongly outside of the US and at least decently in the US) to compete strongly head to head.
Conversely, I think MS' only option right now with any possible Xbox two would be to try and force a headstart - eg with stacked memory GPUs coming soon they could do a repeat of the 360 and short shift this generation.
But by any objective metric other than simply 'are we beating PS4', Xbox one is doing well, which would lend itself to not being cut short.
Tricky situation for MS really. They should probably ride it out and build value ready for next gen
SE won't can the franchise and they will launch definitive edition back to PS4/PC and continue the next game from here as multi.
With Uncharted 4 releasing on PS4 around the same time and RotTR getting a PS4 release at some point in 2016 I don't see many people buying a whole new console for just one game.
The exclusivity moneyhat for RotTR is a waste of money for MS, it is not a franchise that will change perceptions of their console. One of the reasons it did so well on PS3 was because Uncharted as a franchise prepared the ground so well for action games among the user base. There are no major TPS/action game releases on XB1 to prepare the ground for RotTR like Uncharted on PS3.
If RotTR shifts significant hardware in Europe it will be a massive shock.
People are talking about if TR would have an impact in european sales, but IMO, MS is in a situation where they should start thinking if even Halo 5 is going to make decent sales, after the MCC and the incredibly low image of Xbox brand at this moment in Europe
from a little earlier in the thread
So last January I'm guessing PS4 was at about 240kPS4 ~193k
XB1 ~153k
WiU ~64k
360 ~40k
PS3 ~35k
Wii ~8k
This also impacts next-gen. Sony will want to make sure they never give MS a huge headstart again, because they know they have the brand value (very strongly outside of the US and at least decently in the US) to compete strongly head to head.
Conversely, I think MS' only option right now with any possible Xbox two would be to try and force a headstart - eg with stacked memory GPUs coming soon they could do a repeat of the 360 and short shift this generation.
But by any objective metric other than simply 'are we beating PS4', Xbox one is doing well, which would lend itself to not being cut short.
Tricky situation for MS really. They should probably ride it out and build value ready for next gen
Someone is going to say enough is enough with the bleeding of the money eventually.
PS4 ~193k
XB1 ~153k
WiU ~64k
360 ~40k
PS3 ~35k
Wii ~8k
Most of TR's sales came from Europe on PS3, it's a pretty big franchise in EU, the only question is whether its big enough that people would buy a console for it.
I don't understand the 'XB1 Minimum' in the title. OP says it sold more than last year (?).
I don't understand the 'XB1 Minimum' in the title. OP says it sold more than last year (?).
Someone is going to say enough is enough with the bleeding of the money eventually.
I'm sure their intention originally was not to have to cut the price so much and offer all these fire sale type deals.
I would love to see the money spent/losses in an attempt to thwart Sony.
Money loss due to price cuts
Money loss due to Tomb Raider deal
Money loss due to giving away games with bundles
Money loss due to giving away LIVE..
Does that continue? I just picked up a Xbox 1 last Saturday , it came with two free Assassin's Creed games for $350. I much rather got a kinnect bundle for $350 but what are you going to do.
So last January I'm guessing PS4 was at about 240k
360 and PS3 so near. Look like both are collapsing. I thought PS3 will collapse much faster then 360
This also impacts next-gen. Sony will want to make sure they never give MS a huge headstart again, because they know they have the brand value (very strongly outside of the US and at least decently in the US) to compete strongly head to head.
Conversely, I think MS' only option right now with any possible Xbox two would be to try and force a headstart - eg with stacked memory GPUs coming soon they could do a repeat of the 360 and short shift this generation.
But by any objective metric other than simply 'are we beating PS4', Xbox one is doing well, which would lend itself to not being cut short.
Tricky situation for MS really. They should probably ride it out and build value ready for next gen
it means we know the minimum amount of sales they achieved this year. last years numbers +1 unit.
If I understood correctlly:
It's the best January ever, so it sold a minimum of 140k units.
from a little earlier in the thread
I don't think Uncharted is the reason TR sold well on PS3, the vast majority of past TR's sales came from Playstation platforms, I think it sold best on PS3 because the franchise is popular in a territory that prefers Playstation.
Or maybe because it wasn't dudebro enough.
360 and PS3 so near. Look like both are collapsing. I thought PS3 will collapse much faster then 360