QuantumZebra
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Pretty much this. PS4 has a lock on the global market, its not even close.
Then PS4 beats Xbone in its home territory?
Not the end for MS, but it certainly means the Xbone will be a far less relevant console than the 360 was.
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NPD Sales Results for June 2014 [Up3: All Hardware (June/LTD), Top 10 Software SKUs]
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Pretty much this. PS4 has a lock on the global market, its not even close.
Then PS4 beats Xbone in its home territory?
Not the end for MS, but it certainly means the Xbone will be a far less relevant console than the 360 was.
Haint
Member
You also have to consider probably 75-90% of U owners also own a 3DS, which is itself awash in 2D character platformers. Nintendo have milked the genre worse than AC or CoD at this point, so perhaps it's time they start under performing.
SwiftDeath
Member
And another one;
Averaging out, the PS4 is selling exactly 1.5 times more than the bone in NA, which is ironically the spec differential as well.
lol that graph is something else. Using XB1 sales as the unit of measurement. That's hilarious and insightful. But mostly hilarious
360 gamers are really satisfied.
Final Verdict
Member
I hope so too. They are a very talented studio. Would love to see them flex their creative muscles with a new IP.
I don't know. If Titanfall month couldn't do it, and price drop month couldn't do it, I don't think any month will surpass PS4. Certainly not an Alien Isolation/Evolve/Sunset Overdrive month.
Maybe Halo 5 month?
I think something crazy and unexpected would have to happen for Xbone to surpass PS4 in monthly sales at this point.
are you really comparing an entire genre to 2 heavily produced series'?
Bitanator
Member
With the Vita hopefully being restocked now, do you think the pent up demand will have an effect on sales in the next couple months? Or will Sony only replenish shit amounts until the holiday's in hopes that their secret weapon(Minecraft Bundle if it happens) will help jump start the breathless device?
Will a new marketing push with that Marcus Rivers kid send it to a respectable holiday season.
Will a new marketing push with that Marcus Rivers kid send it to a respectable holiday season.
I wasn't part of this discussion before but this post has me curious. What's the difference between gaming being technologically driven and movies not? How are things tested, tried, failed, succeeded in a way that's different than the film industry?
Are you saying that gaming is an industry in which what does and doesn't result in success is still largely being figured out, whereas film isn't? And if so, what about films that break the typical mold of what either is or isn't successful?
I'm not trying to argue with you about this here, I'm just genuinely interested, since I don't know that much about video game marketing or film marketing.
Aquamarine
Member
An incredibly high 51% of Nintendo 1st-party software revenues was realised on the Wii U this month.
Compare that to last month's 57%, and April's 20%.
Compare that to last month's 57%, and April's 20%.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
What? The original TLOU was at like 1.8m several months after release right? TLOU PS4 isn't going to suddenly sell gangbusters all of a sudden. I think there's no way it beats the 1st month numbers of Watch Dogs and MK8, although I think it'll do well for an enhanced port. The game came out last year and the two audiences for this game are folks who didn't have a PS3 and the game who now have a PS4, or the small percentage of people who'd like to play an enhanced version after owning the original.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Much better than one would expect.
In regards to 3DS SW H1 sales, it seems Nintendo omitted that part from their press release. Is it slightly behind comparatively to last year if you don't mind me asking?
Dat thirst
And another one;
Averaging out, the PS4 is selling exactly 1.5 times more than the bone in NA, which is ironically the spec differential as well.
How is that ironic?
SwiftDeath
Member
Again I think XB1 outselling the PS4 any month until probably a true big hitter like Halo 5 seems unlikely, but its certainly not impossible.
So that's versus the 3DS right? And 1st party titles on that system?
Metalingus5150
Member
I'm calling it now. PS4 wins every month for the rest of the year.
What would you like me to compare it against? Obviously a lot of market conditions are different, do you think time adjusted past numbers are that good of an indicator going forward?
Multiple assurances (including from Microsoft) that spec differential wont decide the outcome (or people dont care!).
Deputy Moonman
Member
A multiplayer-only game was doomed before it started and a kinectless unit is not technically a price drop. Everyone keeps bringing out the Titanfall card, but I think the game in particular is not a strong arguing point. If Respawn had included a strong campaign to compliment the multiplayer part of the game, I think it could have done much better. We'll never know though.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
theprodigy
Member
come on, where's my "everything in multiples of Vita" chart by now
Aquamarine
Member
Total software revenues Nintendo accrues as a publisher. So against DS, Wii, and 3DS 1st-party titles.
SwiftDeath
Member
Nah comparing against XB1 is perfectly fine. I just find it funny is all. Reminds me of what prodigy was saying.
But then it would always be "IT"S OVER 9000!"
lol
:'(
Right that's what I meant just didn't qualify it properly. Good for Wii U, Bad for 3DS
travisbickle
Member
Dat thirst
MS must have thought they had a chance coming out of Christmas, "according to the data, if it carries along the same trajectory it has been, we could match sales by March."
makingmusic476
Member
I dislike labeling the $399 SKU as a price cut. It wasn't a cut. It was an unbundling of hardware to allow a lower entry price point. The official MSRP of the Kinect bundle remains unchanged.
I think we could see some form of a real price cut as soon as this holiday. Maybe a $399 Kinect bundle. It is then that we might see Microsoft pull ahead.
Of course, it'd probably be brief, given Sony could easily react. Sony has historically been highly competitive on price in the console space, so they could do a counter price drop. PS2's 2002 price cut to $199 was arguably completely unnecessary, yet they went ahead and did it. Even the incredibly hard to manufacture PS3 got a $100 price cut shockingly fast, though out of desperation moreso than a reduction of costs, despite what throwing out BC allowed.
I think we could see some form of a real price cut as soon as this holiday. Maybe a $399 Kinect bundle. It is then that we might see Microsoft pull ahead.
Of course, it'd probably be brief, given Sony could easily react. Sony has historically been highly competitive on price in the console space, so they could do a counter price drop. PS2's 2002 price cut to $199 was arguably completely unnecessary, yet they went ahead and did it. Even the incredibly hard to manufacture PS3 got a $100 price cut shockingly fast, though out of desperation moreso than a reduction of costs, despite what throwing out BC allowed.
makingmusic476
Member
Only a new Halo has a shot at stopping this train.
Aquamarine
Member
Dat thirst
Here are the growing LTD differences visualised in hard data form:
PS4 + XBO approximate LTD differences:
As of November 2013: 229,000
As of December 2013: 184,000
As of January 2014: 314,000
As of February 2014: 324,000
As of March 2014: 384,000
As of April 2014: 469,000
As of May 2014: 589,000
As of June 2014: 661,000
Given the current rate of PS4 + XBO expansion, I'd say PS4 will be ahead of XBO by a million by the time we'll enter the 2014 Holiday season.
Dragonborn
Member
Word of mouth man. Those 1 million extra people The PS4 has on X1 by then will be trying to get their friends on the same consoles. I don't see the X1 ever being number 1 unless there's another $100 proce cut (and assuming Sony doesn't react)
Isn't the rift also enormously larger when you factor international install base?
no disrespect but have you been sleeping in a cave since the launch? You haven't noticed all the moves MS has been doing to sell more Xbox Ones? It's obvious there is a problem moving Xbox One consoles.
And who knows how well the Destiny bundle will do. Also if there is a Ps4 GTA5 bundle like with the ps3, than Sony has the holiday in the bag.
SwiftDeath
Member
A whopping 15,000
Dragonborn
Member
Well, the X1 is completely dead outside the UK so yea, the WW gap must be in the millions now (maybe 4 million? )
A GTAV bundle would just be overkill, haha. I still want it to come out in October to see what games suddenly get delayed.
Aquamarine
Member
It's quite disappointing because Vita is squandering its short-term sales potential. If Sony wasn't so horrible at restocking this month that figure wouldn't have to be so low.
Bitanator
Member
that makes it look like more than just saying 15K. Hell spell it out Fifteen Thousand and then it looks even bigger
It's Dead
Dat Mario Kart thirst. It should be the 2nd best selling Wii U title on the US already, right?
(A bit funny how the best 3 selling Wii U games have Mario in the title haha. Mario never disappoints)
Dat thirst
And another one;
Averaging out, the PS4 is selling exactly 1.5 times more than the bone in NA, which is ironically the spec differential as well.
That's not irony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2krXq8fw90
That's a coincidence.
SwiftDeath
Member
See that intrigues me. I have always thought of Sony as potentially having the best distribution chain of the three considering consumer electronics has always been their main thing. Do you think maybe it could be retailers not accepting them because they're not selling? Or sony phasing the Vita out in the US?
Haint
Member
Nintendo's brands specifically, yes. You could transplant any character into their left to right, World 1-X to 8-X template. It's not at all dissimilar from AC or CoD. Note I referenced Nintendo specifically with the milking comment, not the genre in general, though a lot of it does fall into the same trappings.
ramoisdead
Member
Congrats for Tomodachi Life and Wolfenstein. I think I'm getting both as soon as this weekend is over.
You could, sure, but you'd be erroneous in doing so...
Duxxy3
Member
Right now I am giving November and maybe December to XB1. I'm expecting that a halo bundle, along with 360 users upgrading for advanced warfare, will push sales. I think the 360/PS3 port of COD will be bad enough that it will push the fanbase to current gen.
Aquamarine
Member
With Sony's introduction of PlayStation TV and their focus on cloud services like PlayStation Now, you honestly have to wonder sometimes.
I know Sony cares about Vita's existing install-base since they buy so many games but, in terms of enticing new customers, the introduction of the Vita Slim 2000 SKU in the USA has been extraordinarily haphazard.
DidntKnowJack
Member
I'm starting to believe in the 3rd console curse.
Ok, not really but you have to admit it's kind of weird.
Ok, not really but you have to admit it's kind of weird.
SwiftDeath
Member
Curious if SCEA does anything for Vita's minecraft release because it has the potential to bump it up a little. I honestly don't think they care anymore
Final Verdict
Member
Yeah, it is an uphill climb for the Xbone, and September will likely be a slaughter for them with Destiny coming out...
I don't know...
Will be interesting to see if Microsoft would just stand by and allow X1 to lose NPD for the entire year...
I don't think that has happened since the OG Xbox days.
Now those are healthy hardware numbers.
The problem hasn't been the PS4. The problem, so far, has been that the second and third place consoles have been particularly weak. The Wii ended up being a relatively weak first place system in unit sales LTD, but that was fine because the second and third place systems were relatively strong. The PS4, in turn, may end up being a moderate-to-strong first place system, but if the second and third place systems fall off the face of the earth, that still would represent dramatic contraction for the home console space overall.
The problem hasn't been the PS4. The problem, so far, has been that the second and third place consoles have been particularly weak. The Wii ended up being a relatively weak first place system in unit sales LTD, but that was fine because the second and third place systems were relatively strong. The PS4, in turn, may end up being a moderate-to-strong first place system, but if the second and third place systems fall off the face of the earth, that still would represent dramatic contraction for the home console space overall.