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NPD Sales Results for June 2014 [Up3: All Hardware (June/LTD), Top 10 Software SKUs]
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nextgeneration
Member
Gamecrate's ltd of 360 and ps3 numbers can't be right? Typo/error?
Acheteedo
Member
Oh wow! Real numbers for once, om nom nom.
269K for PS4 is stunning, what a wildly successful console Sony have made.
197K for Xbox One would be very good in a normal month, but just following the SKU change it becomes difficult to tell the long term impact. Next month will be telling.
This just says it all about the WiiU though, complete disaster until now. If they can keep some momentum after the 140k this month then there is some hope though.
269K for PS4 is stunning, what a wildly successful console Sony have made.
197K for Xbox One would be very good in a normal month, but just following the SKU change it becomes difficult to tell the long term impact. Next month will be telling.
This just says it all about the WiiU though, complete disaster until now. If they can keep some momentum after the 140k this month then there is some hope though.
I've been saying for a while that the Xbox One is in trouble. And this is in the States where the Xbox One is doing 'okay', but certainly no better than that by any stretch of the imagination. And then you have to factor in the fact that it's an unmitigated flop in Europe too.
It's only a matter of time before third parties take note of their PS4 SKUs outselling their Xbox One SKUs at least 2:1. The Xbox One has been a bit of a flop so far in terms of worldwide sales figures - just not as big a flop as the Wii U so far - and if Microsoft don't do something they could end up having problems with third party support in a year or two.
I'm really surprised that the gaming media hasn't picked up on how badly the Xbox One is really doing...but I guess that 'Nintendoomed' articles generate more clicks than 'Microsoft d00med' articles.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
The software numbers continue to concern me, but perhaps it is just the gen 7 consoles dying extra quick like it seems to be. We'll see.
He did us a favor, but in his own special asshole way.
Looking at the Gamecrate #'s, it's just crazy. Considering how well MS was able to hold down the U.S. with the 360......seeing PS4 with a lead of 700k consoles in a 7 month period where the competition needed to retain control in that region, it's just still shocking to me.
And to think, it all started by someone saying "why would I want to live there."
He did us a favor, but in his own special asshole way.
I can distinguish from controller method. We have had a similar controller for 30 years. One generation, one company tried to change that and suddenly non-core-controller gamers bought gaming consoles. Now that all 3 consoles are again focused on core control schemes, even the Wii-U, those customers have moved on.
If the Wii-U had doubled down on waggle instead of switching to a bastardized core controller with touchscreen, they may have kept some of those waggle fans. But they didn't.
I guess you could call it a sudden new market that quickly bailed and went with phone-tablet gaming. But over the course of 30 years of console sales tracking, I still call that crowd an anomaly when it comes to console sales growth.
If you don't agree, that's fine, but I call it an anomaly.
Honestly we also have too many damned crossgen games which is more than ever before and that is also slowing adoption of new gen, so I'm not completely blaming the anomaly for lower console sales. But it will contribute to a contraction this gen.
What do you mean?
In that case, would you agree that the console market has been contracting since 2005?
BananaSprinkles
Banned
It seems accurate. The 360 was just north of 41 million and the PS3 was just north of 25 million last time I looked at the information I've saved.
165ish million PS3 and 360's were sold. I'm not sure of the PS2/GCN/Xbox numbers, but if they are indeed higher than 165 million, then I suppose so. But then you have to account for the several million Nintendo franchise fans that didn't buy a Wii because of waggle but because of Nintendo games (same people buying a Wii-U now). If we could somehow extrapolate that number of Wii buyers, probably close to the number of GCN buyers, then add that to the 160 million, that may end up as an overall growth from PS2/Xbox/GCN to PS3/360/Wii-Nintendo-fans.
Just goes to show you that games sell consoles. Really happy to see MK8 do so well, but I cannot wait for Zelda numbers to come out (whenever it releases). Depending on Toad's big outing I will have a WiiU by the holidays for that and in preparation for Xenoblade Chronicles X, Fatal Frame 5, and of course Zelda, not to mention Tropical Freeze, SMB3DW, and Devil's Third.
PS4 numbers should be really interesting once TLOU releases too since so many gamers missed out on it last gen and a lot of us will be buying it again.
PS4 numbers should be really interesting once TLOU releases too since so many gamers missed out on it last gen and a lot of us will be buying it again.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I think that the proper way to look at it is that the Vita has only sold 128K this year because support from Sony is tepid at best.
nextgeneration
Member
Ok, thanks. Wow, never knew 360's lead over ps3 was that big! That's pretty crazy.
maquiladora
Member
I love how XB1 fans are worried about the Vita
It's not worry, it's concern....
Vita sales are really bad
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
damn i was too late, the link to the article 404'd on me
That's not the reason. People in the U.S. simply do not want to walk around with a Vita to game portably. Nor a 3DS for that matter except kids. For the most part, our vanity keeps us gaming on phones in public since the stigma isn't attached.
Sony could release Demon's Souls 2 Vita and still wouldn't carve out a healthy market in NA.
Here's what I'd respond with: every generation, console manufacturers have created a substantial number of new purchasers. In at least a few cases, the percentage growth was even higher than last generation: we're talking 80-100% growth gen-over-gen, with new console consumers outnumbering longer term console consumers within a single gen.
But this will be the only generation where consoles fail to significantly retain those new customers they recently gained. Not because those new customers stopped gaming, mind you, but because the console manufacturers failed to appeal to those consumers in meaningful ways.
rokkerkory
Member
Oh wow! Real numbers for once, om nom nom.
269K for PS4 is stunning, what a wildly successful console Sony have made.
197K for Xbox One would be very good in a normal month, but just following the SKU change it becomes difficult to tell the long term impact. Next month will be telling.
This just says it all about the WiiU though, complete disaster until now. If they can keep some momentum after the 140k this month then there is some hope though.
Thanks for this chart. I don't know how some are implying it's dire straits for X1. At least just yet. They are doing decently well but do have major problems to overcome. Desperate MS can be good for us.
Ima give it a full holiday 2014 season before making any type of judgement.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I love how XB1 fans are worried about the Vita
PS4 "fans" need to be worried about how XB1 is doing. Things haven't quite crossed the threshold where PS4 can sustain next gen third party software development on its own. The longer it takes to build that install base the longer developers are going to continue to commit resources to 360 and PS3. The lat thing the console game needs is gloating.
That's definitely a very valid way to look at it. I see those new customers as so short-lived over the span of 30 years of console generations, I just have a hard time counting on that crowd as a new crop of console gamers. I see them as following a fad for a few years like Guitar Hero fans.
there's no way to actually discern who is a real gamer and isn't in the wii market. i don't even know where to begin with why that would possibly be important. i mean you would also need to separate the people who were non-traditional fans on the ps2, ps3, and 360 from more traditional fans.
TheRossatron
Neo Member
Gotta think if Microsoft don't lead in hardware sales over the holidays at some point with Halo something's amiss... amiss I say!
I'm assuming they all went to mobile.
Bornstellar
Member
Saying anything of the kind is just setting them up for failure. While the MCC is going to make me buy an Xbox One, it's not a new title in the series.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Can someone please provide actual numbers for sales of Wii U, PS4 and XB1 LTD from first year launch?
prag16
Banned
I dunno man, but I think you're making a lot of assumptions and drawing a lot of conclusions based on potentially questionable assumptions. But I guess Opiate has covered most of this.
I'll just say that I think a roided up Motion Plus might have led to even worse Wii U performance. What reason would this "anomaly" crew who already had largely moved on have to upgrade? And uptake among the dual analog faithful would have been worse than it was already.
1st Course
Member
Would appreciate it if you can do a chart like this for handhelds.
ReBurn
Gold Member
A of course not. A single game rarely propels a platform to success. It takes strong continuous support to gain and maintain momentum. Whether people walk around with a game system is beside the point.
Non-traditional fans on those other consoles didn't grow Nintendo's userbase by 100 million people. Look at the GCN, what 25 million-ish? Wii-U might be lucky to also eventually reach 25 million lifetime? Wii sold what, 120 million consoles? That's a freak thing when the competition also managed to sell 80 million each.
None of those other factors you mentioned caused a sudden 100 million spike in sales for one console for one gen.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
The issue with the XB1 has always been t's sales in the rest of the world bar the UK which the US will invariably need to prop up being it's strongest market. MS major issue is that it either needs to rectify the situation in places like mainland Europe or have it do a lot better in the US. #it's not in trouble but they still certainly have their work cut out for it.
So what if I am making assumptions? They're my opinions to have. I got called out to explain myself because I use the word anomaly. I explained my reasons. If you don't like my reasons, that's cool. But that is my opinion about why this market is seen as suddenly super unhealthy. It's not super unhealthy. The Wii was just a flash in the pan fad.
Agree to disagree.
it certainly helped the xbox 360 very late in its life, when sales exploded in the us after the introduction of the kinect.
i think it's a combined failure of all console manufacturers that they were unable to retain this expanded userbase. that's something that shouldn't have happened, and shouldn't have been written off because casuals be crazy. overall console sales are going to dip behind the ps2 generation's when all are said and done, and wind up a lot closer to the 90s era of gaming, unless something changes drastically. that's extraordinarily bad. like, imagine every particle in your body exploding at the speed of light.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Sadly, they will look at this and decide to put more into mobile.
TheRossatron
Neo Member
Very true, although Im sure Microsoft are hoping it does the trick, regardless that its not new. The fact its new on Xbox One is enough
Jimmyfenix
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Iorv3th
Member
That number could have been a little higher but it was out of stock most of the month as well.
joecanada
Member
dire straits and major problems are not the same thing, sure, but neither is a very good situation. I think most of the concern is related to how the chart is heading.... xbox is sort of heading toward the GC path more than the ps2 path now.... ps4 is holding but yet it doesn't appear likely to hold the ps2 path either...
and the Wii chart is insane so may as well throw it out lol.
Yep, I don't know what the heck Sony was thinking not re-stocking the Slim.
ArchedThunder
Banned
But look, they're about to cross streams! We should just cancel the generation right now. Come on guys, pack it up, the game industry is over.
Jimmyfenix
Member
You tried your best sorny
That's what I'm saying.
Imagine if, after the massive growth of the PS1 generation, the new gamers created at that time left console gaming and went to, I don't know, PC gaming instead. Would those consumers be considered anomalous? I don't think they would. They would just be considered consumers who entered the gaming market through consoles, then moved on to different platforms which better served their interests.
Obviously in that case, consoles managed to find a way to continue to appeal to those consumers and keep them in the fold. The console manufacturers had to create compelling games and platforms that continued to appeal to them. Ultimately, I'm saying the present situation is exactly the same, except consoles failed to keep people's interest and lost those consumers to other platforms when, in the past, consoles had managed to both create new users and keep those users in to the proceeding generations.
Shouldn't we be more concerned with Revenue the Gaming Industry pulls in as a whole than the number of console units sold? That is to say, console units sold only exist to push software and generate revenue. And what kind of cross-over has there been of PS3/360/WIi combined owners last generation because I doubt we will see anything similar this generation. And wouldn't that on it's own bring down total console sales but not necessarily impact total revenue?