Y2Kev said:You have way more programmers on a team than you do the people making higher salaries-- in this particular case, the quoted average for employees with less than 3 years experience (Guerrilla hired rapidly for KZ2) is 42k. Programmers and QA are probably the big part of the team, and testers average 26k.
Article said:PROGRAMMING
Average salary for three or fewer years experience: $65,833 or $57,913 (see explanation in text)
Average salary Across all experience levels: $80,886
I don't really see anyone in those quotes saying KZ2 will push hardware, just that it'll crush the software competition.
Omar Ismail said:Considering the technical expertise demonstrated in KZ2 you'd be hard pressed to argue it was made predominantly of "junior" programmers. And even if it was 100% junior programmers (which is absurd) you're still at $60K * 1.5 = $90K.
Suburban Cowboy said:so why does Mario Kart remain so strong yet Animal Crossing does not? AC seems to be more in line with Nintendo's new demographic than an action racing game
I'd say Mario Kart actually has a broader appeal. There are a lot of people who would feel very embarrassed to be playing Animal Crossing but would be fine with playing Mario Kart.Suburban Cowboy said:so why does Mario Kart remain so strong yet Animal Crossing does not? AC seems to be more in line with Nintendo's new demographic than an action racing game
SuperSonic1305 said:If K2 had launched March 1st and sold 619k in March NPD would it still be a flop because everyone is acting like it had 2 full months.
Well, I can't argue with that, and I'm part of the problem if I'm honest *looks at copy of Vice City stores on PSP*AniHawk said:This was the third GTA to hit a Nintendo system in ten years. I'm pretty sure the other two bombed as well. There's really no base for it on these things.
Skenzin said:Bad month for Sony. At what point is Sony going to atleast pretend to meet consumers halfway. A $299 relaunch with Killzone2 and a massive media blitz could have done wonders for the system and it's image. Could have been a huge domino effect. At what point does Sony management realize that asking people to pay hundreds more of video game system to subsidize other divisions and massive 1st party development isnt going to fly in a competitive market. It's a vicious cycle.
heres the insanity: Sony spends hundred of millions on game development for games that arent selling because, nobody can afford the system because, They can't lower the price because, of the massive development costs they spend on.
Something is severely broken with Sony upper management. Sorry I had to vent.
Nirolak said:I'd say Mario Kart actually has a broader appeal. There are a lot of people who would feel very embarrassed to be playing Animal Crossing but would be fine with playing Mario Kart.
Why do you want Sony to fail? They ARE meeting the consumers halfway. You're just failing to understand what a position they are in.Skenzin said:Bad month for Sony. At what point is Sony going to atleast pretend to meet consumers halfway. A $299 relaunch with Killzone2 and a massive media blitz could have done wonders for the system and it's image. Could have been a huge domino effect. At what point does Sony management realize that asking people to pay hundreds more of video game system to subsidize other divisions and massive 1st party development isnt going to fly in a competitive market. It's a vicious cycle.
heres the insanity: Sony spends hundred of millions on game development for games that arent selling because, nobody can afford the system because, They can't lower the price because, of the massive development costs they spend on.
Something is severely broken with Sony upper management. Sorry I had to vent.
beermonkey@tehbias said:Game programmers earn less than the average because "games are cool". It throws a whole different supply and demand situation into that segment of the software development career.
That probably plays a large part in it too. Plus the really popular Wii game probably has a great synergy with the DS title's sales.lawblob said:Nintendo still advertises Mario Kart. I don't think they do for AC
markatisu said:GTA CW will be fine, people who think DS games live and die in 30 days are out of their fucking minds as there is absolutely no proof of that going back 2 years.
Metroidvania said:Wow, somehow missed this.....
Hopefully the success of RE5 will mean another in the same general style, and not the entire series reboot that has been reported for RE6.
v1cious said:sub 100,000? sorry but that argument's not working this time. the style turned people off, pure and simple.
the real story here however, is Madworld selling below 100,000. no one can deny what's going on any more.
Suburban Cowboy said:so why does Mario Kart remain so strong yet Animal Crossing does not? AC seems to be more in line with Nintendo's new demographic than an action racing game
careful said:wtf @ Killzone
That's fucking terrible for a flagship console FPS..
Sony marketing fails incredibly hard. I see a lot of ads, but they're all pretty forgettable.
We got that box art off Amazon. :/lawblob said:I can only imagine what a disaster Conduit will be... especially if the shovelware box art I saw floating around is the real thing.
scitek said:Not only that, but it's like these people think the world is a place where brand loyalty is first and foremost. PSOne gamers are also, for the most part, of the age now where they probably don't even play games anymore, so any legacy it has on a console THAT old is completely irrelevant, anyway.
v1cious said:sub 100,000? sorry but that argument's not working this time. the style turned people off, pure and simple.
the real story here however, is Madworld selling below 100,000. no one can deny what's going on any more. expect more party games on the family fun console.
The art in the game is awful. No one is going to be impulse purchasing that thing for sure.lawblob said:I can only imagine what a disaster Conduit will be... especially if the shovelware box art I saw floating around is the real thing.
You're on GAF. You're not a normal human being. You're not most PS1 gamers.LM4sure said::lol Are you serious?!? "For the most part" PS1 gamers "don't play games anymore." OMG, that is the weakest argument I've seen on this forum in a while? That statement is RIDICULOUS!!! I started playing games on the NES and I STILL play games. But you're staying people younger than me that started playing the games on the PS1 are too old to play games?! C'mon, get real! :lol
v1cious said:sub 100,000? sorry but that argument's not working this time. the style turned people off, pure and simple.
the real story here however, is Madworld selling below 100,000. no one can deny what's going on any more. expect more party games on the family fun console.
legend166 said:Look, it's just pretty clear what Opiate is saying is right. The 15-35 male, 'violence' demographic isn't on the Wii. At all.
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Aaron Strife said:If you stupid assholes don't buy Punch-Out I'll punch your faces out.
creamsugar said:MadWorld < 70,000
Nameless said:You guys are legitimately shocked that the GTA CW didn't sell well on the Nintendo DS!? Really, GAF? Honestly, the only people I even "know of" who play GTA and own a DS are from gaming sites & podcast :lol I've never seen the two co-exist in the wild. I venture to bet most of you haven't either.
bmf said:You're on GAF. You're not a normal human being. You're not most PS1 gamers.
markatisu said:Because the party games are lighting up the charts? The mini game/party game ship sailed as soon as the market became super saturated with it