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This probably doesn't count the copies that were returned back to retail after buyers found out the game is an RTS.

 

[chubigans]

I'd actually appreciate if you did, as it illustrates, combined with Zealous' post, the wide variety of expectations for the title.

You're free to do so. I wasn't one of them!

Ah, ok then.

There is no chance KZ2 will make top 10 in March.

...well that's really all I could find. :lol

Most predicted a 10th or 9th place finish for Killzone 2 in March.

 

[Blame!]

For a long time, I even believed this game DO NOT need huge market promotion.

At least it had great hype ever.

yes the greatest hype ever.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Few old quotes I dug up from an older NPD thread.

There's no way in hell Halo Wars outsells Killzone 2 right? Even with the license, it's a fairly generic (imo based on demo) RTS vs. a graphics first FPS.

I think KZ2 will crush Halo Wars.

What's the best an RTS game has ever sold on a console? Even a mediocre FPS probably could put up better numbers, and KZ2 hardly looks mediocre.

KillZone 2 will possibly sell more than MGS4 did, with the right advertising push at least.

there's a chance it could do better than MGS4 did in later months too if we do get a price cut in march. that'd give it another bounce in sales i'd expect.

i think it iwll blow most anything out of the water in Feb, outside of SF4. then we will really see it start to do well in march, even against RE5.

this game has that FPS appeal similar to games like COD and halo. no reason why it can't perform.

 

[chris0701]

If K2 had launched March 1st and sold 619k in March NPD would it still be a flop because everyone is acting like it had 2 full months.

It is still not on the COD4/5 level for 620k sales in one month.

 

[J-Rock]

It's a shame sony spent so much money on kz2 just to back it up with shit advertising.

How much did they spend to make it? I never heard.

 

[DeadlySchnauzer]

I can't believe the amount of "yeah, KZ2 did pretty good" stuff I am reading here. This was a hugely hyped, supposedly hardware moving, exclusive first party game that has been in development for a long time.... and only sold a bit over 500K in the US in its first 6 weeks.

Yes 500K is not a complete flop, but there have been numerous 3rd party games in the last year on both PS3 and 360 that have easily outsold KZ2 in the same time frame... thats not good news for Sony first party development.

 

[Stop It]

Few old quotes I dug up from an older NPD thread.

Now that's just stamping the poor guys heads into the mud, they already got called out once.

*Looks at names listed*

Oh, these are different, hah.

 

[Meier]

Sony probably spent a million bucks on GAF advertising alone. I've never seen the same ad more in such a short period of time in my life.

 

[professor_t]

Few old quotes I dug up from an older NPD thread.

Dylan you son of a bitch.

 

[postaboy]

How much did they spend to make it? I never heard.

I read somewhere it was $40 million

 

[FirstInHell]

Few old quotes I dug up from an older NPD thread.

Wow. Those quotes really put it into perspective.

Time and time again this has been the case for most of the major PS3 releases. The next big release just around the corner is going to start to push hardware, but it never comes to fruition.

I really think that just like the Wii is attracting a different demographic than the 360, the same is the case for the PS3. Remember, when the system was in its infancy it attracted a lot of movie buffs due to it being the cheapest option for a Blu-Ray player. Those people are not buying games. Also, now that Blu-Ray players have come down in price it is having less of an impact on the month to month hardware sales.

 

[chubigans]

Wow. Those quotes really put it into perspective.

Time and time again this has been the case for most of the major PS3 releases. The next big release just around the corner is going to start to push hardware, but it never comes to fruition.

I don't really see anyone in those quotes saying KZ2 will push hardware, just that it'll crush the software competition.

 

[biggkidd32]

For a long time, I even believed this game DO NOT need huge market promotion.

At least it had great hype ever.

Really? I remember GTA4, MGS4, and even Halo 3 garner more hype.

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

Killzone 2 sales are no greater than the marketing push put behind it. That is whats troubling about the numbers

 

[Fafalada]

People GROSSLY underestimate development and marketing costs.

Well you grossly overestimate what people in game industry are ACTUALLY paid.

 

[Dirtbag]

wow just caught up on the thread from about 10 pages back.. quite a few casualties :lol

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Double-edged sword.

I totally know where you're coming from. On the one hand, Madworld doesn't really appeal to me either, so, do I want it to succeed and have third parties the same kinds of games? Not really, because chances are those won't appeal to me either. On the other hand, the more variety on the system, the less pigeonholing on the industry's part. The Wii more than any other system has been suffering from a preconceived idea of what demographics own one, what Wii owners want, what they don't want, etc. If a wide variety of experiences can thrive on the system, it sends the message that there's avenue for innovation and exploration and, of course, sales success.

But again, I don't necessarily want the Wii to become just a Wii with its fair share of hardcore games, as they appeal to me less and less and won't save the industry any more on the Wii than on the PS3/360. I want the boundaries of the medium to be pushed further, and not only by Nintendo. And more than anything else, I want more games that show effort and love from the developers, not the current shovelware festa and consumer disdain.

It's a shame really. I have very specific tastes that really can only be catered to by a console with a diverse library. Currently, the only system I see fulfilling those needs is the DS (OMFG Ace Attorney, Castlevania and EBA/Ouendan trio of awesomeness), with the Wii a distant second. Now that I finally have a PC that's up to scratch, I can get my primal UNF UNF UNF GRAFIXZ fix as well (though up to now, the only game I absolutely had to have was Bioshock).

My problem is that I don't like the shooters, sports games, racing games, fighting games or console RPGs (though I LOVE RPGs on the DS) that seem to dominate "hardcore gaming" these days, so I find that the majority of the major releases on consoles aren't really aimed at me. I've never tried horror games, so I can't comment on those, but the fact is that the genres that appeal to me are as niche as hell. I NEED a console with a diverse enough library to hold all the wacky/interesting games I like to keep me going.

I want gaming that will appeal to ME, damn it! When the DS came out, I knew it was the console I was waiting for and I had (and in many ways still have) high hopes for the Wii as well. I want "core" third party games to succeed on the system because it raises the probability that I'll be able to find my console equivalent of Ouendan. Is that too much to ask for?

 

[LM4sure]

RE5 on PS3 got crushed by the 360 version! Wow, twice as many sold on the 360! The RE series STARTED on the PS1, so this is really embarrassing.

Those Killzone 2 numbers are not good....are they?

 

[Deleted member 17706]

RE5 on PS3 got crushed by the 360 version! Wow, twice as many sold on the 360! The RE series STARTED on the PS1, so this is really embarrassing.

Those Killzone 2 numbers are not good....are they?

The numbers are great if you don't put things into perspective.

 

[Averon]

wow just caught up on the thread from about 10 pages back.. quite a few casualties :lol

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Thank god this guy is one of them. His blatant trolling was so annoying.

 

[chris0701]

Really? I remember GTA4, MGS4, and even Halo 3 garner more hype.

I could not recall there was one game that earned so much gifs/accailm for visual/threads around forums like KZ2 in this generation.

 

[scitek]

I really think that just like the Wii is attracting a different demographic than the 360, the same is the case for the PS3. Remember, when the system was in its infancy it attracted a lot of movie buffs due to it being the cheapest option for a Blu-Ray player. Those people are not buying games. Also, now that Blu-Ray players have come down in price it is having less of an impact on the month to month hardware sales.

I think you're dead-on about that. I bet tons of people use it as a DVD/Blu-Ray player before a gaming machine.

Also, with regards KZ2's sales, people are comparing its sales to other games that released during the holiday season. That practically negates any points made using that information. Especially holiday seasons WITHOUT a recession vs. a mid-spring IN a recession.

 

[chubigans]

RE5 on PS3 got crushed by the 360 version! Wow, twice as many sold on the 360! The RE series STARTED on the PS1, so this is really embarrassing.

Don't tell me you still believe this. Did the dozen of other PS-born multiplatform titles that sold way better on 360 totally fly by you?

 

[sixteen-bit]

no sf4 is sadface

 

[PhoenixDark]

So what's the next generation winning, unstoppable, sure win, gonna sell a billion copies PS3 game?

 

[evilromero]

Does every American own a copy of WiiPlay yet?

 

[scitek]

Don't tell me you still believe this. Did the dozen of other PS-born multiplatform titles that sold way better on 360 totally fly by you?

Not only that, but it's like these people think the world is a place where brand loyalty is first and foremost. PSOne gamers are also, for the most part, of the age now where they probably don't even play games anymore, so any legacy it has on a console THAT old is completely irrelevant, anyway.

 

[FateBreaker]

If someone gives me SO4 March numbers, I will love you forever, and so will my dog.

 

[creamsugar]

MadWorld < 70,000

 

[Visualante]

Pity about Killzone.

 

[Scottlarock]

wow just caught up on the thread from about 10 pages back.. quite a few casualties :lol

I haven't read every thread, maybe thats why I don't understand half of these bans. what is a no-no that will get you banned?

 

[AniHawk]

Does every American own a copy of WiiPlay yet?

10 million down, 290 million to go.

 

[Psychotext]

PSOne gamers are also, for the most part, of the age now where they probably don't even play games anymore, so any legacy it has on a console THAT old is completely irrelevant, anyway.

Yes, we're so old and crusty now that none of us game at all. Arthritis in the hands you see... plus it's hard to see the screen these days through the cataracts.

/checks birthdate

!

 

[Averon]

So what's the next generation winning, unstoppable, sure win, gonna sell a billion copies PS3 game?

InFamous, unfortunately.

 

[AniHawk]

MadWorld < 70,000

NMH Redux

Except this had an advertising campaign.

 

[Arpharmd B]

RE5 360 had to clear a 400k spread to outsell the PS3 version between JP-US.

It did. And I'm very happy that it's over 2 million between just Japan and USA.

Worldwide it could close in on best selling RE in franchise history. PC version hasn't even been released.

 

[starsky]

I'm surprised at KZ2 numbers. In Australia, that's the only game I've seen advertised on TV. Since 2009 I never see any other games, but KZ2 ads I've seen at least 3 times.

 

[Nirolak]

Not only that, but it's like these people think the world is a place where brand loyalty is first and foremost. PSOne gamers are also, for the most part, of the age now where they probably don't even play games anymore, so any legacy it has on a console THAT old is completely irrelevant, anyway.

That's not really true. The massive spike in the sales of games targeted at older audiences is strong evidence that the average age of gamers is increasing. The 100 million copies of the Sims franchise sold so far aren't all selling to 12-17 year olds by a long shot. Most of the people on games like World of Warcraft aren't especially young either due to the payment models. The sales of games like Empire: Total War and slow paced WRPGs aren't exactly wrangling the young crowd either.

 

[bigtroyjon]

Well you grossly overestimate what people in game industry are ACTUALLY paid.

what someone is paid isn't nearly the same as the cost to the company. If people in this industry are getting any kind of benefits, those along with SS, medicare, workmans comp and unemployment will almost double the cost to the company compared to just the wages.

 

[C- Warrior]

Good sales for MLB 09 The Show.

Not only does it set the bar for baseball games, but it also sets the bar for sports video games in general.

In fact, I really think in terms of quality MLB 09 The Show should have outsold RE5. Shit, I usually don't even like sports games.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

MadWorld < 70,000

that ain't good at all.

 

[ghst]

i'm always surprised at the correlation between those who think game a is sweet, golden nectar dripping from the beards of the gods, and those who think borderline mediocre sales for game a are "respectable/good numbers!".

personally i'm fuming at the seams that more of you oiks don't buy some of great pc games that slip under your cheeto-dust encrusted radars each month.

get mad, goddamn.

 

[Eteric Rice]

MadWorld < 70,000

Source?

 

[HK-47]

All I have to say is hell yes, Frillen was banned, fuck off.

Oh and the numbers are interesting too.

 

[The Faceless Master]

wow, the show really showed up!

scott steinberg redeemed, i know i laughed at his statement.

RESIDENT EEEEVVVIIILL!!!!

... shoulda called GTA Chinatown Party

 

[Beer Monkey]

Man... if Madworld needed to sell 2 million to make a profit, how many copies would KZ2 have to sell to break even?

Nobody actually believes this.

Actually, this is exactly the kind of topic we need to see Pachter and company discuss on that Gametrailers thing that gets dragged out for four weeks.

 

[schuelma]

MadWorld < 70,000

Disappointing if true- it should have done better than NMH.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Ouch Chinatown wars only did 89,000

GG DS owners. G FUCKING G.

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[shuri]

MadWorld was pretty average..