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[kittenbreath]

I dont get everyone stating that the Wii U is dead. Its not, Nintendo will continue to operate and support the console for another 3 years at least. The worst thing Nintendo could do is pull a Saturn on the console. It would damage their brand forever.

The top 10 is terrible, this industry is so commercialize now. Im glad I have a Wii U for the different type of games it offers.

Wii U has 18 months of support left, maybe two years if Zelda doesn't make it out by next holiday and Nintendo is gracious enough to still release it and eat the losses. That's my biggest fear at this point.

I don't regret buying my Wii U, just as I never regretted buying my Dreamcast. But I've seen this show before and I know how it ends. There's simply no path forward.

 

[Kusagari]

no way that happens.

the vast majority of that 3.91 (?) million they''ve sold so far was within the first couple months of launch. they're around 1 million WW TOTAL this year.

at this rate, assuming sales don't go down (which is a BAD assumption) it will take 5 solid years of sales to hit 10 million. They're not going to be on shelves that long.

The WiiU is going to end up doing somewhere between the 3D0 and the Saturn, and go down as one of the worst consoles of all time.

I really doubt a system with the games Wii U has, and will get, will go down as one of the worst consoles of all time.

 

[UNCMark]

Bad Mario numbers, hopefully they stop attaching him to everything now.

I just hope Nintendo doesnt take this as a sign that they should no longer let you choose other characters to play as in a Mario game. The best part about Mario World is that I never have to use Mario.

 

[adixon]

So xbox one is "fastest selling" because no ps4 on shelves?

"Fastest selling" is actually factually incorrect, if you assume that it means "fastest selling over a comparable amount of time," which is what the words normally mean.

"Fastest selling over two different time periods" is the comparison they're making here. In order for the ps4 to have won by this metric they've invented, it would have needed to sell more than 1.6 million consoles in two weeks in the US, an amount beyond even the most crazy predictions.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

If they really do this GameCube "hold on" bullshit, I'd laugh. But they've already set precedent by turning 3DS around. They have expectations now.

Hahaha, turning the WiiU around, like the 3DS. Oh man.

 

[Floex]

Hybrid.

Portable with balls that can send it's signal to a TV via HDMI. That's the path for Nitnendo.

Basically a powerful DS that can then use the TV as a third screen, or broadcast what's on the main screen of the portable. It allows Nitnendo to focus on ONE platform and gives the devs the oppotunity to either make handheld focused OR home focused games for a platform with a healthy userbase.

Yep, being saying the same thing. This is exactly where Nintendo should look to next. Have a system that can have every team develop for it instead of splitting them across consoles.

 

[Orayn]

I really doubt a system with the games Wii U has, and will get, will go down as one of the worst consoles of all time.

Hate to say it, but Dreamcast had a killer library too.

 

[Buckethead]

Simply Wii U is being rejected by the market because it's not an interesting product.

Why is that? Who's fault is it?

And 2DS/3DS is being assaulted by the smartphones floods. But it's not about being produced by Nintendo or whatever.

The App Store launched in 2008. Yes there are R&D costs and things of that nature but the 3DS launched in 2011. Acting as if it got blindsided by some sort of technological revolution is dishonest.

Nintendo should alter their business model or modernize, maybe, possibly. Just a thought.

 

[ethomaz]

I need PS4 number

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Was just thinking this, Desperate Nintendo is the best Nintendo. These rough sales won't kill Nintendo I think. But I do hope it kicks them in the ass and wakes them up and makes them realize that what they are doing isn't enough.

Honestly the end segment of the Final Bosman this week seems to be pretty damn accurate when it comes to Nintendo and what goes through their brains.

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/ey6k9g/the-final-bosman-vgx-takeaways

Starts at around 11:20

What we're seeing now is 'desperate Nintendo' - they're throwing everything at the 3DS to make it sell and it's still relatively flat y.o.y.
People thinking there's a panic mode Nintendo just waiting to throw money all over the place are in for a grim few years.

 

[Averon]

I don't understand why people thought Mario would begin the turnaround. There were 3D Mario games on the Gamecube and that didn't do shit to turn around that console's fortune.

There always been the theory that the reason Nintendo's core franchises sold so well on the Wii was because they were carried on the casual wave Wii Sports created. I guess that theory is proving true.

 

[Eyothrie]

The sad thing is, Nintendo will probably not budge at all. They'll keep pressing on with their current strategy.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Hmm, Sony being surprisingly consistent in not giving us any NPD PR even with a good number to tout... :/

 

[AstroNut325]

This is some hyperbole.

Xbone had a good month

I agree. Almost a million in sales in a week is pretty darn good. And I say this as a person who has no interest in the X1. I'm just glad the two consoles are doing well.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

haven't seen an npd like this in ages. i love you guys.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Talk about wasting a full year head start...WTF were they thinking :O

 

[FourMyle]

Panic mode NIntendo does not exist. People kept spouting that nonsense all year and here we are at the end of 2013 with this disaster and it doesn't look much better going forward

Yep. "Panic mode Nintendo" is something that rabid fanboys made up to feel better about themselves. That shit was ALL over 4chan's /v/ in 2012. The kids on that site were making posts about how Nintendo had actually planned to have so many dead/"dormant" IPs and that they would go "all out!" during E3 2012.

Of course when that didn't happen they shifted the date to 2013, and we all know how that went.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

bye bye gamepad

It's difficult to market. It makes the system expensive. It doesn't add much to the gameplay. It cannot be distinguised from all others tablets.

One possible thing would be to return to the Wii remote. It doesn't even need to be put in pre-production, because it's still bing produced.

Drop then the price, market it as the true successor of the Wii with Mario Kart and Smash and you got a hot product everyone wants.

 

[cheezcake]

So will we be getting concrete PS4 sale numbers at all?

 

[Silky]

Notice how there's only one new IP that's in that top ten.

 

[GeoramA]

I guess all I have to say is that I'm definitely curious to see what Nintendo decides to do from here.

Changes need to be made. And they need to be made tomorrow.

 

[Dr. Feel Good]

Consider November's numbers... how badly is Nintendo going to miss there forecast for unit sales?

 

[Jarmel]

So what does Nintendo even have next year other than Smash Bros?

Bayonetta ain't gonna sell shit, same with Donkey Kong. X might make it at the tail end but I'm sure that's still in the air.

 

[Kusagari]

Hate to say it, but Dreamcast had a killer library too.

And who on Earth considers Dreamcast one of the worst systems of all time? It's almost universally in the top 10 of most lists.

 

[ZealousD]

At current trajectory, Nintendo is looking at 10 million consoles or so.

I think Smash and Mario Kart will probably help and improve things somewhat, boosting that a couple more million, so I think at the end it will outsell the Dreamcast. But it's going to struggle to hit even 15 million lifetime units. I'm personally going to guess that the game ends around 12-13 million. I don't see anything else that could conceivably help Nintendo out to get to 20 million or so.

 

[Steel]

Wii U is dead in EU. They never had any support there.
Wii U is dead in NA. No amount of Marios, Smash and Karts can save it.
Wii U is dead in JP. No amounts of DQX expansion packs can save it.

Vita on the other hand still has potential in Japan and the rest of the world (as a glorified PS4 controller)

Vita will probably top 10 million while the WiiU won't.

Vita has already topped 10 million hasn't it? Like really recently.

 

[balohna]

Hate to say it, but Dreamcast had a killer library too.

And nobody considers the DC one of the worst consoles of all time. Unless they only look at sales, and even then it's most likely in the top 50%.

 

[Hexa]

Don't we already kind of know PS4 sales?

They had 2.1 million worldwide as of December 1. 700,000 of that was Europe/Australia. The vast majority of PS4 stock in the Americas was in the US. So approximately 1.3 million I'd assume.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Notice how there's only one new IP that's in that top ten.

Thanks goodness for indie games.

 

[Moze]

no way that happens.

the vast majority of that 3.91 (?) million they''ve sold so far was within the first couple months of launch. they're around 1 million WW TOTAL this year.

at this rate, assuming sales don't go down (which is a BAD assumption) it will take 5 solid years of sales to hit 10 million. They're not going to be on shelves that long.

The WiiU is going to end up doing somewhere between the 3D0 and the Saturn, and go down as one of the worst consoles of all time.

I cannot tell if you are being serious tbh

 

[jcracken]

MS lost to Sony in its own territory, selling less consoles for the month than Sony did in 24 hrs. Keep in mind the utter domination MS had on them last year. Add in the fact the the XB1 is WAY behind in every other territory, things don't look good.

As far as the rest is concerned, you have the loss of marketshare with the XB1, the Surface is amazingly bad, and the Windows phone isn't performing well either. Pressure to sell them all off will increase exponentially after the Holidays

Please just stop already. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[Sandfox]

Hate to say it, but Dreamcast had a killer library too.

From what I've seen nobody considers the Dreamcast one of the worst consoles of all time.

 

[Kandrick]

So what does Nintendo even have next year other than Smash Bros?

Bayonetta ain't gonna sell shit, same with Donkey Kong. X might make it at the tail end but I'm sure that's still in the air.

You forgot the other big one, Mario Kart.

 

[Racer1977]

PS4 had 2 full weeks for the month of November, while the X1 only had a week. Looks like MS has been shipping more X1's in the U.S the past couple of days as well so there will be a huge difference in the month of December NPD.

Sony confirmed they sold 1.1m PS4's in 24hrs, numbers for the following seven days would be negligible with severely limited stock, as Sony geared up for the EU launch.

NA sales in December will once again come down to stock levels, but it's only one piece of the puzzle, with an EU market that's as large as NA, and a not insignificant Asian market joining the next-gen party in the coming weeks and months. As I said, the question is when will Sony's next PR hit, fairly sure they're already near 3m, so are they waiting for 4m?

 

[Boss Man]

Consider this:
Nintendo was aware of these numbers when they "revealed" Cranky. That is the type of response that they decided was needed.

 

[GK86]

Holy crap at those Wii U numbers.

 

[CCIE]

Actually I'm not a fan boy... I just take some joy in MS losing to Sony because of their stupid policies under the corporate umbrella. I think they will be fine, but they will be lucky to have 2/3 of Sony's numbers unless things don't change very quickly.

It isn't going to get any better after X-Mas either. MS needs a price drop, and the stockholders will never allow that. It should make for a very interesting next few years.

 

[Oblivion]

Why though? WiiU is 20x more appealing to me than the Wii was. It's really sad to see a console with an actual controller get punished like this.


The Wii should have been hammered like this, not the WiiU.

I sorta feel his point, though. I certainly wouldn't like to see Nintendo crash and burn, but IF they happen to be doing it anyway, might as well bring out the marshmallows.

 

[FullMetalx117]

feel bad for Nintendo but at the same time it makes me pretty happy that i'm one of the few who actually played some of their amazing like mario 3d world.

some people are really missing out.

 

[nampad]

Vita has already topped 10 million hasn't it? Like really recently.

Far from it. FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

What we're seeing now is 'desperate Nintendo' - they're throwing everything at the 3DS to make it sell and it's still relatively flat y.o.y.
People thinking there's a panic mode Nintendo just waiting to throw money all over the place are in for a grim few years.

At this point we can probably call it "despairing Nintendo".

 

[prag16]

Gaming Industry has basically become Hollywood but much worse:

And Need For Speed and WWE had releases as well this year, but they didn't end top ten.

That's a scary fucking picture. I like some of those games and it still scares me shitless in terms of where we're heading...

 

[Ashodin]

Hahaha, turning the WiiU around, like the 3DS. Oh man.

It's gonna be a tough feat, definitely.

 

[zeopower6]

Such as? It's already had P4G, Killzone, Uncharted, AC, Soul Sacrifice, God Eater, etc What other high profile titles are in the waiting? If anything Nintendo has released far fewer high profile titles for Wii U...

The power that Mario has just by being Mario far outclasses any of those games. :/

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

So what does Nintendo even have next year other than Smash Bros?

Bayonetta ain't gonna sell shit, same with Donkey Kong. X might make it at the tail end but I'm sure that's still in the air.

Mario Kart (Yeah, another Mario game...)

I expect that unlike other recent entries, this won't do much either.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Well can't wait to see what happens at Nintendo's next investors meeting then.

And looking forward to the January WiiU firesales.

 

[Totobeni]

3DS should of been more than this, it just got Pokemon and Zelda and the cheap 2DS.

 

[Jarmel]

You forgot the other big one, Mario Kart.

I'm not so sure that's going to be a huge boost.

 

[Prompto]

So what does Nintendo even have next year other than Smash Bros?

Bayonetta ain't gonna sell shit, same with Donkey Kong. X might make it at the tail end but I'm sure that's still in the air.

Mario Kart and that's pretty much it I think.

 

[Jagsrock]

They should just re-brand and re-launch the console. Most people don't know what a wii u is anyways. Just call it the "Nintendo U" add new colors, lower price to $250 + a game(3D World) and relaunch it like new.