Captain Smoker
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Price reduction, as important as several heavy hitters.
*to sustain the sales without big brands.
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NPD Sales Results for November 2014 [Up3: NPD Data Error, AC:U #5]
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*to sustain the sales without big brands.
Tertullian
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I have serious doubts about that. Hitting double digit prices didn't help the GameCube that much. If the market doesn't see the Wii U as desirable, no reasonable price drop is going to have more than a marginal effect. If people just don't want it, the thing would have to be $49 to sell like gangbusters.
Wii U will always be a niche product. I knew that going in and am perfectly happy with the experiences I get out of it.
Honestly I don't know what anyone at this point is expecting from them. The console's not "dead" as its still making a profit for Nintendo. They'll continue to support it for a couple more years then move on. Anyone thinking they were gonna ride the tidal wave of Wii with the rise in mobile gaming is delusional. It just wasn't going to happen.
Honestly I don't know what anyone at this point is expecting from them. The console's not "dead" as its still making a profit for Nintendo. They'll continue to support it for a couple more years then move on. Anyone thinking they were gonna ride the tidal wave of Wii with the rise in mobile gaming is delusional. It just wasn't going to happen.
I would more than wager, I would basically guarantee it.
as for the gap closing. they would have to keep the acu type bundle console and 2 games for 350 to keep closing the gap. I don't think they want to do that. I think they will keep the 350 price but no games included. but it wouldn't happen by February, probably closer to april or may. if that ws to happen in both US and UK, Sony would probably drop to 350 also.
Edit: just noticed on that you can still buy the day one edition on amazon. that seems odd for a year after release.
biggersmaller
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That 'meaningless pissing contest' is consumer mindshare during the holiday shopping season. It's not the end-all-be-all, but it really matters. Even selling at a loss, netting customers at the early stage of a platform's lifecycle is more profitable than ever before. 5-7 years of buying accesories, membership fees, and more profitable online games.
As a personal anticdote, on Thanksgiving I had a brother-in-law and a friend scouring the ads for the best X1 sale. These two guys (and others like them) are video game trend setters for their more casual group of COD/Madden friends. As a PS4 owner, I did nothing but encourage them. There are great deals and it's a great system.
Deadly Joker
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I expect Sony will wait until Gamescon to announce a worldwide price drop. I expect a price drop to $299 like they did in 2009.
You seem to disregard December which is usually 2x November sales. I do agree that February seems like a stretch, and much depends on the pricing post-Holidays. If the price stays, I wouldn't bet against parity around the time of E3 (unless Sony does something in response).
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cboat sacrificed himself for the greater good of this thread. It wouldn't have been this interesting without the shyamalattwist.jpg.
Imagine if cq and cs had waited a couple more hours to appear...
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cboat sacrificed himself for the greater good of this thread. It wouldn't have been this interesting without the shyamalattwist.jpg.
Imagine if cq and cs had waited a couple more hours to appear...
I'm inclined to believe he was semi-trolling.
7-10 would have been an accurate ratio, I think he put a "k" in there to troll the thread. Which was deemed unacceptable, and understandably so.
True but to go from 100 mil sold one generation and then maybe hitting 15 mil the next generation is one steep drop. Nobody would of thought that would of been the case and it would be fair to think Nintendo's next console after the Wii could hit 30 mil?
I think MS will out sell Sony by 300k in Dec, so gap come Jan could be around 400-500k.
Phat Michael
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Lol no.
alexandros
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$299 is, I feel, way too low. $349 with a pack - in should be enough.
SargerusBR
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MW3 making 9 million sales on first month is so undeserving
Woah COD decline massively.
Graphics Horse
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See!?
The drop is getting flatter
Looks like a consistent 1.5m drop per year to me. I give it 3 years before they start launching with negative units.
As long as it is not just the second console for which only a few selected games are purchased.
Or purchased by ultra-price-sensitive gamers that only buy used games.
Seeing how PSN Store gift cars are sitting on the top 3 Amazon spots of yearly rankings and how a shitload of DS4s sold on BF the "quality of the purchaser" is probably an important factor, not only the quantity.
Deadly Joker
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Sony never drops the price by only $50. At least last gen, they never did.
From $599 to $499
From $499 to $399
From $399 to $299
BattleMonkey
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MS has Dec on lock as well, still lowered price and now they are tossing in free games of a person's choosing? And Sony is doing nothing but tossing out "meh" bundles. MS is tossing everything at getting ppl to buy, Sony kinda needed to not just sit back and watch their lead go poof.
TheOnePercent
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They have had one quarter of profit after three years of losses. Let's not count our Amiibos before they hatch. Also, like in Nintendo's previous generations, I suspect their handheld is contributing more to the bottom line than the console side.
Opus Angelorum
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MW3 was riding the success of the return to form Black Ops.
Yeah, the big hurdle for Sony seems to be that their GTA5 Black Friday bundle is sold out at every major online retailer, and in limited availability at brick & mortar stores.
Meanwhile the Assassin's Creed Bundle is still in full force everywhere.
IndoAssassin
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The high rankings of PSN store cards on Amazon can be skewed by the fact that it's one of the most convenient places for non-Americans to fund their US PSN accounts.
Everything going as expected.
The WiiU didn't have the number of great games needed to make a dent.
The price drop gave a temporary momentum to the Xbone.
Free prediction for December:
The dust falls back on the ground, and PS4 goes back on top, partly because the GTA bundle.
The WiiU didn't have the number of great games needed to make a dent.
The price drop gave a temporary momentum to the Xbone.
Free prediction for December:
The dust falls back on the ground, and PS4 goes back on top, partly because the GTA bundle.
I'd say closer to 7m NA. If XB1 has a Dec on par with Nov like it did last year, that's 6.2m~ US alone. As a rule of thumb the rest of NA is about 10% of the US, so 600k~. 6.8m sell through, 7.4m shipped~
UK + Americas will easily surpass 8.3m sell through by 2015.
BruceLeeRoy
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Got to say I am really happy HMCC is the 10th spot. Hopefully it doesn't even show up next month.
He trolled the thread with news would that would get the most response here (MS under performing).
I was here for his golden age of insider info but those days seem to be over. All his info seems to just want to shed a bad light on Microsoft
Shame I can't do it. When ever I order PSN on Amazon it messes up and I have to call them to cancel it.
Unless they have plans to ship a ton more of those bundles and sell at the same price, not gonna happen.
I'll sending this post to Nintendo so they can change their pr statement
biggersmaller
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I'm certain the number of XB1 sold in Nov to PS4 owners or used game hunters is insignificant. Most will be gifts or 360 owners already accustomed to an online marketplace. MS will profit from those units over the next 5-7 years.
Nameless
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Yeah it will be interesting to see who bought those Xboxes. How many were sold to 360 owners who were always going to upgrade to a One and simply couldn't resist pulling the trigger early at fire sale prices?
In November, the #10 slot probably still represents millions of units sold. It's only one slot below Assassin's Creed, a massive franchise spread across 2 platforms.
It's probably the best-selling Xbox One exclusive since Titanfall. It may have performed even better than Titanfall.
alexandros
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There's a first time for everything. A $100 drop is unnecessary, although it would really put the hurt on Microsoft.
Nope. Did 660k~ which is worse than Titanfall and Destiny.
Still an impressive showing for a collection but it could have done better if it were not for all the .... shit.
Surprised about no PR now being beyond "nearly 10M shipped".
Graphics Horse
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1.5 mil UK sounds possible, but again, they are currently 5 million in USA, probably 5.5 with Canada, but with December's sales yet to be counted. if they only stock 6.5 million by year end, there will be none left for January. I'd say 7m would be at the low end. Rest of world doesn't need to be that high as there's not many places that are buying it in large numbers.
Yeah I can't see them going to $299, far too low. I can't even see them reducing price yet, they will give it a few more months.
I hope that Xbox One price drop isn't going to be temporary, or I fear for their future the other 10 months of the year. All temporary price cuts do is push sales forward. This is begging to have an even weaker pre-season, because the console at $399 has lost all value.
A $100 drop is what they did with the PS2, and next year such a price drop would align with the PS2's price drop in terms of time as well.
And I don't think they will start this gen! A drop from $399 to $349 will interest nobody. They will just say: "Wasn't it more or less at that price last holidays with all the bundles?".
crimzonflame
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I think MS has all the momentum and now they got the word of mouth going. I expect MS to overtake Sony in the US and UK by February.
Deadly Joker
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Exactly. I suspect they'll stick with the same pricing strategy that hepled them win the PS2 generation.
Luckydog
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I call BS. We as consumers can't say the XBONE isnt a good value proposition and then complain when they make it a good value proposition...
CONSUMER: "The XBONE is too expensive for the hardware that's in it, no way I'm buying it at that price compared to PS4"
MS: "No problem, we will remove the Kinect, drop the price, and add some games. Let's sell some boxes!"
CONSUMER: "I can't believe MS had to drop the price and give us games to get it sold, what a bunch of losers!"
Come on, the salt is unbelievable. Consumers spoke, the value prop wasn't good, MS listened (at least for the holiday) and gave you a better value prop. There are more than enough games to keep you busy, and there are great games confirmed and expected in 2015. They cant change the hardware, it is what it is. They changed what they could to make it more appealing. ENJOY IT!
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