Right, I forgot about this.
I meant as much as other mgs games, sorry for the confusion. It's soon for that of course, what I'm trying to say is that the game will keep crawling for some time.
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NPD Sales Results for November 2015 [Up3: Combined Hardware For PS4 + XB1 + Wii U]
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Right, I forgot about this.
I meant as much as other mgs games, sorry for the confusion. It's soon for that of course, what I'm trying to say is that the game will keep crawling for some time.
Yes, MGS 4 sold just under 1 million on first month.
That's actually pretty decent
The problem is that MGS has no legs, first month is a pretty big part of the total.
MGS4 didn't have digital sales and US Steam sales of V were about 200k first month going off of Steamspy. I don't think that MGS5 was a smash hit given the budget, but it probably did more in its first month in the US than the fourth game did. MGS4 just benefits from being 100 percent retail.
Yeah. Although I did remember correctly, it's been slightly more popular in EU. They announced 1M sold after one week. But yeah, 5 platforms vs 1...
It did perform better significantly than 4 in the UK first week though, 170k vs 120k.
Surely, but MGS 4 is a PS3 exclusive. MGS V first month in US is disappointing even including digital and Steam because are 3 platforms (or 5 including the little contribution of 360 and PS3).
Looking at the September NPD thread, MGSV sold < 800k (3:1 PS4:XB1, 92%).
I just think that this is a series with a pretty dedicated fan base but little growth since the ps2 era.
Even giving that exclusives pull sales from other platforms they wouldn't otherwise pull from, we're at best talking about the same-ish numbers from 4 and 5. Except now the budget of 5 is probably 2x the budget of 4 (remember KP's producer said it would have been multi platform is the rumors of its 60 million budget were true). I mean it's hard to come to any other conclusion other than kojima spent his way into oblivion.
Well, 2 of those platforms are dead. And being a PS3 exclusive was a huge boost to MGS4, you had to have that game if you owned a PS3, and that's something V didn't have. There were a few trailers here and there but there was not a big push for V from either Sony or Microsoft.
Bruno MB
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I expected a better opening in the US for Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain when we learned that in the UK it beat the opening week sales of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots by 54%.
If we use a monthly calendar for a better comparison with the US sales, then it beat the first month sales of Metal Gear Solid: 4 Guns of the Patriots by around 30%. Note that Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain had an extra week of tracking, although for a hardcore series like this it doesn't make too much of a difference since sales will be very frontloaded.
UK
[Week 24, 2008] METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS (KONAMI) - 110,000 / NEW
[Week 36, 2015] METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN (KONAMI) - 170,000 / NEW
[June, 2008] METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS (KONAMI) - 179,000 / NEW
[September, 2015] METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN (KONAMI) - 235,000 / NEW
If we use a monthly calendar for a better comparison with the US sales, then it beat the first month sales of Metal Gear Solid: 4 Guns of the Patriots by around 30%. Note that Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain had an extra week of tracking, although for a hardcore series like this it doesn't make too much of a difference since sales will be very frontloaded.
UK
[Week 24, 2008] METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS (KONAMI) - 110,000 / NEW
[Week 36, 2015] METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN (KONAMI) - 170,000 / NEW
[June, 2008] METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS (KONAMI) - 179,000 / NEW
[September, 2015] METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN (KONAMI) - 235,000 / NEW
I think an upwards trajectory in sales is always a good thing to have and something a good publisher would find ways to take advantage of, even if they overspent to get there. Unfortunately Konami imploded the franchise so that all seems pretty moot indeed.
Because someone claimed sales were under 2 million WW. We know that's impossible.
Probably sold relative better in UK because of the bundle.
slavesnyder
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That's why they keep kojima hostage, peeling potatoes in the konami canteen.
Uncle Obscure
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True that.
But, MS and SE each had their own agenda. For MS, they were clearly betting on ROTR to help leverage themselves against a UC4 release in Q4, and agreed to pay SE handsomely to do so. After all, Phil was widely and publicly quoted as pining away over the fact that they did not have an Uncharted-like game in their first-party stable. ROTR gave them one, albeit an inferior one from a sales standpoint.
SE, on the other hand, looked at the cash as a "sure thing" and a way to help leverage development and production costs in the event that the game failed, which it has. In that respect, SE has possibly made out slightly better on this deal.
Both companies are guilty of letting short term goals get in the way of long term ones.
Could SE have made out financially better with a simultaneous multi-platform release of ROTR in Q4? That we will never know. What we do know is that their actions help seriously damage the long term health of a once storied gaming franchise.
MGS 4 had a bundle.
Microtransactions. I guess I was wondering whether they were effective. Do we have any info about their profitability?
Like I said above I figured the Microtransactions might have made Konami some money. I also think 2 million is a low ball considering the strength of the series WW. This is likely one of the series where the US sales are a much smaller piece of the pie so to speak.
I'm saying comparing to MGS V in US.
CosmicQueso
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So you do see all the contradiction in this statement, right?
ZhugeEX
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Someone asked for Metal Gear Solid series sales in USA. Below is packaged unit sales.
MGS: ~2.5m
MGS2: ~2.2m
MGS3: ~1.5m
MGS4: >2m
MGS5: ~1m
Includes sales for PlayStation platforms + Substance, Subsistence & bundled sales. (Re-releases or digital not counted ofc)
ZhugeEX
‏@ZhugeEX
Now worldwide sell in-
MGS: 7m+
MGS2: 7m+
MGS3: 4m+
MGS4: 6m+
MGS5: 5m+
‏@ZhugeEX
Someone asked for Metal Gear Solid series sales in USA. Below is packaged unit sales.
MGS: ~2.5m
MGS2: ~2.2m
MGS3: ~1.5m
MGS4: >2m
MGS5: ~1m
Includes sales for PlayStation platforms + Substance, Subsistence & bundled sales. (Re-releases or digital not counted ofc)
ZhugeEX
‏@ZhugeEX
Now worldwide sell in-
MGS: 7m+
MGS2: 7m+
MGS3: 4m+
MGS4: 6m+
MGS5: 5m+
I'm willing to bet konami told kojima he would need to cut costs dramatically, including probably closing his own studio and working internally under board supervision, and he balked and so they said okay bye. I highly doubt konami spent 80 million, saw it not sell 590 billion copies as retailers were taking orders, had a meltdown, and forced kojima out.
Maybe instead of the game awards Geoff can send konami some money to paper over the money pit kojima leaves in his wake tbh.
Does anyone think this game will be profitable, especially taking into account opportunity cost?
Maybe instead of the game awards Geoff can send konami some money to paper over the money pit kojima leaves in his wake tbh.
Does anyone think this game will be profitable, especially taking into account opportunity cost?
That's sell in. Do we have any figures on WW sell through?
LegendofDragoonLives
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So the best MGS has sold the least?
gundamkyoukai
Member
Less than 500k for the rest of the world seems low if we go by the 3.5 million as maximum.
We know it did 1 million in Asia and Japan .
800k with steam , 200k plus in the UK , NA less than 1 million not counting DD.
Still that should put it near 3 million easy
But yeah i agree the budget was to big for this game.
that's hard to get for almost any game unless the publisher itself brags about them.
slavesnyder
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That's rhetorical I guess.
Never liked MGS, it's just a pity for Silent Hills, burried in the same grave.
On the other hand... I cannot imagine what that would have cost, with 2 "visionary directors" in the driving seat. Only chance to keep a healthy budget would have been to never leave this corridor...
What about Ground Zeroes? Separating that from the main game and selling it stand-alone, I bet they made some money from that. Similar case was with Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, that was a huge success for PD/Sony (and it pretty much payed the whole budget of the main game IIRC). And I'm not saying Ground Zeroes did as well as GT5 Prologue, but I'd guess it made some money.
Edit: And what is the budget of MGS V? Like I'm sure it was the most expensive Metal Gear, but I've seen people just throwing random numbers (like 80 million) and kept saying it made no money etc.
Edit: And what is the budget of MGS V? Like I'm sure it was the most expensive Metal Gear, but I've seen people just throwing random numbers (like 80 million) and kept saying it made no money etc.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Well pachinko sales down in Japan but it will be much cheaper to make lol
slavesnyder
Member
Not if it's designed by Kojima.
Neuromancer
Member
TR is not even close to UC in terms of quality. And I say that as someone who's doesn't even like UC all that much.
I think the opposite of your point is probably more accurate; that once someone gets their fill of a certain kind of game they're less likely to buy and play an inferior knockoff immediately afterwards.
Is there a reason everyone completely overlooked my comment about the profitability of the MGSV Microtransactions? I would assume they made some amount of money for Konami. Has there been any info on the Microtransaction profits from FOB stuff? I mean I doubt it would be enough to offset the high dev costs but I'm sure it helped a bit. SW sales might be a little deceptive as a solitary metric for success when such in game purchases are present.
Well yes I was hoping either some statement had been made or perhaps we had some concrete information from other markets or perhaps from insiders. I was legitimately asking. Not trying to be dismissive of the sell in figures.
Well yes I was hoping either some statement had been made or perhaps we had some concrete information from other markets or perhaps from insiders. I was legitimately asking. Not trying to be dismissive of the sell in figures.
HIstorical NPD for November!
Big releases this month, check 'em out. Records broken (for their respective times) in 3 out of 4 of the past cycles.
Very interesting past sales. Can you add HW numbers for GEN/SNES PS1/N64 and Dreamcast please?
Finale Fireworker
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I wonder what hurt the sales of MGSV so badly.
I'm sure it could be any number of multiple factors, and I'm sure lots of people have their reasons.
My friends and I didn't buy it because the word of mouth was bad. I had no interest in another MGSV with a weak story. I mean, the word of mouth wasn't bad, but it wasn't what we wanted to hear.
But, at the same time, my friends and I are quick to say there hasn't been a good MGS game since Snake Eater. So we wanted this to be the best MGS ever and weren't interested in anything less.
I wonder how MGSV will age and what kind of legacy it will have.
I'm sure it could be any number of multiple factors, and I'm sure lots of people have their reasons.
My friends and I didn't buy it because the word of mouth was bad. I had no interest in another MGSV with a weak story. I mean, the word of mouth wasn't bad, but it wasn't what we wanted to hear.
But, at the same time, my friends and I are quick to say there hasn't been a good MGS game since Snake Eater. So we wanted this to be the best MGS ever and weren't interested in anything less.
I wonder how MGSV will age and what kind of legacy it will have.
So just a heads up guys these US figures are apparently PlayStation only for all except MGSV so
Zhuge said:
Just an FYI.
1st Course
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Personally I didn't buy it because I heard you need to play Peace Walker in order to understand the story, I could never get into Peace Walker (fucking awful game) so I skipped it.
Haha yep totally forgot about that version. That would of course not be included either.
Twin Snakes sold 265k until february 2007 (probably is the final number). Very bad sales for a MGS.
What Black Friday boost for Tomb Raider? Game every week sinks deeper and deeper.
sony does pretty well with their insurance business, maybe K does as well.
So, you guys think that Xbone sales numbers are between 18-20 mil.?
Tinfoil hat time:
What if ... it was all intentional? Everything.
Oh, not from S-E, what interest would they have to waste millions of $, mismanage a property worth $millions and devalue it, and pissing off the fan base they have on the leading current platform?
No.
What if ... Microsoft and Crystal Dynamics have been talking to each other behind their back for a while now, with a concerted effort and goal to both render S-E deeply unhappy with the Crystal Dynamics management/ team, but also in the situation of not knowing what to do with a Franchise that would have been run into the ground by a calculated effort from both MS and CD?
I know, crazy.
To what end would you ask? Well ... With the hope that CD would eventually split semi-amicably from Square, sign a check to S-E for their trouble with the Tomb Raider IP and walk off into the sunset with it ... To then find immediately a new home with Microsoft Studios.
Impossible you say? I would have thought so a few years back, but then again Day Break ran away from Sony with Everquest, Planetside and H1Z1 among other franchises.
Proof? None of course, it's merely insanity and conjectures here.
But ...
- "someone" stuffed S-E's spreadsheets with insane potential sales numbers (cf the forecasts for the first new Tomb Raider)
- "someone" has been super-pals with Microsoft since Underworld, and not really being shy about it. An ex-employee revealed some nasty stuff done for the lifetime exclusive DLC back then*.
- Somehow, Microsoft found leverage to convince S-E to sign away the temporary rights for 1 game a AAA franchise that was closely associated with the now leading platform WW, which also happened to be the platform the last game sold most on. Then made it an exclusive for up to a year on said platform.
- Somehow, MS after becoming the publisher saw fit to bundle the title in a 1Tb $399 bundle (instead of $349), which would THEN be exclusive to 1 retailer in the US AND not even be sold in the biggest European market where the franchise even ORIGINATED from (UK).
- MS then bungled the reveal of the exclusivity SO much, that they managed to make the backlash even WORSE than if they just had come forward and said: it's exclusive for the end of 2015, coming to other platforms later in 2016. It was mismanaged so much, for such a simple thing, that the announcement itself and its handling for the following month+ was mind boggling.
- Everything we have learned since reeks of sabotage, from choosing the release date to coincide with the OTHER third party title MS had a partnership with, Fallout 4, which though in a 1Tb $399 bundle, was in its case not restricted to a single retailer -And- sold in the UK.
I don't know...
I read this, and it sounds completely crazy, I know.
But ... in some deranged and insane way, it also sort of make sense to explain some of the stuff that happened and S-E signing on all that.
So .. no I don't "believe" that this actually happened. As I said, it is insane. But then again, if months from now Crystal Dynamics happens to join MS Studios, possibly bringing along Tomb Raider (S-E would be fools to let it go btw) ...
Would we be THAT surprised?
* http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/88589-Ex-Crystal-Dynamics-Employees-Spill-the-Beans
We have a not so old casefile about something like that.
- Microsoft dude leaves Microsoft to be CEO of Nokia
- Google the "Elop Effect"
- he returs to microsoft after Nokias shares fell 90% or so
- Microsoft buys Nokia for small change
ethomaz
Banned
I guess it is inline with others MGS games in US... they sell LT about 2m.
So 1m in three months is not that bad.
PS. loled at Xbone 20m like some guys seems to hint here... Xbone sales are around 14-16m at end of November.