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[noobie]

Surprise: V LTD < 1M

Until Dawn please..!!!!

 

[Raylan]

Surprise: V LTD < 1M

Thanks cream. Any Until Dawn numbers?

 

[RexNovis]

We still don't have any 3DS numbers...

 

[Y2Kev]

Once again I get to go neener neener at the FUCKKONAMI people who thought giving Kojima 80 million dollars was reasonable. It never was. I feel vindicated, which I shouldn't have to be, but some irrational fans were mean to me last month.

 

[DeadOnions]

Who did Tomb Raider benefit? A completely pointless deal that leaves CD over open water.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Its staggering to me that MS went all out with Halo, Gears, Forza, TR and got beat by Sony with NDC.

MS IPs are weaker than ever these days.

They probably are just a little. The Gears/Halo/Forza wash, rinse, repeat cycle has hurt the sales. SW is better these days all around but I said the same thing about their pillars around 2009/10. This isn't a new take by me but I has to chime in and agree with you.

 

[Matt]

Once again I get to go neener neener at the FUCKKONAMI people who thought giving Kojima 80 million dollars was reasonable. It never was. I feel vindicated, which I shouldn't have to be, but some irrational fans were mean to me last month.

+1

 

[RexNovis]

Once again I get to go neener neener at the FUCKKONAMI people who thought giving Kojima 80 million dollars was reasonable. It never was. I feel vindicated, which I shouldn't have to be, but some irrational fans were mean to me last month.

Yea his budget was way out of hand but do we know if the game was profitable for Konami?

 

[Matt]

Yea his budget was way out of hand but do we know if the game was profitable for Konami?

I don't know how it could be.

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

Cream you know you want to show some Splatoon and Until Dawn numbers.

 

[watdaeff4]

Once again I get to go neener neener at the FUCKKONAMI people who thought giving Kojima 80 million dollars was reasonable. It never was. I feel vindicated, which I shouldn't have to be, but some irrational fans were mean to me last month.

To piggyback onto this Konami marketing research probably got them to expect this and that's why the LE console wasn't released in the US

 

[sirap]

To piggyback onto this Konami marketing research probably got them to expect this and that's why the LE console wasn't released in the US

Investing that much also made sense if they planned on using the engine for subsequent games. To bad we won't be getting any more AAA games using the Fox engine

 

[Stone Ocean]

Yea his budget was way out of hand but do we know if the game was profitable for Konami?

Game sold what, less than 2 million WW? I very much doubt it paid for itself

 

[Y2Kev]

This deserves the biggest fucking "b...b...b...Konami shipped 8 BILLION copies and Quiet is not exploitative f u anita!!!" post ever but I won't do that.



Everyone's all #FucKonami because, well, they suck, but it's obvious Kojima lost the plot too. It seems silly to me to die on that hill.

Investing that much also made sense if they planned on using the engine for subsequent games. To bad we won't be getting any more AAA games using the Fox engine

I sure hope Kojima didn't expect to have his moneypit amortized over multiple games...given you know damn well he would have spent another $80MM on the next one.

I don't know if it's a best practice to budget one title to lose money based off a future title 5+ years out. Seems pretty bad given opportunity cost and uncertainty.

 

[watdaeff4]

Investing that much also made sense if they planned on using the engine for subsequent games. To bad we won't be getting any more AAA games using the Fox engine

I'm taking you didn't mean to quote my post

 

[Matt]

Investing that much also made sense if they planned on using the engine for subsequent games. To bad we won't be getting any more AAA games using the Fox engine

This is such a bad argument that gets trotted out every time this discussion comes up. No, it probably was not worth the investment, even if Konami kept making games.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Surprise: V LTD < 1M

People were calling me crazy when I said it would not sell 5 million this year. Feels so satisfying.

 

[watdaeff4]

So just throwing it out there

If MGSV is less than 1 million on all platforms after 3 months;

Is SE taking cash up front and selling 200k on two platform in one month (not counting a few bundles) seems a little different to me now

 

[gtj1092]

Actually, I think that is the only sure way to make public excited about PS4 port RotTR. Currently everyone is in the "meh" mode because they have to wait and marketing for Xbone version was far from good.




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Man, Sony is fucking it up with console stock. Uncharted Collection [dropped to #64 on hourly list] is out of stock on Amazon for days now, and it will get replenished on Dec 23, eight days from now! ~_~ Battlefront bundle at $299 is the only big PS4 seller right now [#2 in hourly list].

That doesn't mean they fucked up. I think it is their plan. NDC for black Friday. SW for movie week. BO3 for Christmas week. If you look at the charts the SW bundle is shooting up the yearly.

It would be a fuck up if they didn't have any stock. There are plenty of Ps4s in the channel.

The bundles Sony wants to sell are available.

Where is the fuck up. Do you think people were buying the NDC bundle for the game. When all bundles were $349 the NDC one was the lowest selling.

 

[Y2Kev]

OK I LIED totally doing it

Me: anyone still think it was worth giving Kojima a blank check? Topic is last month's NPD.

So how many copies has MGS5 solid sold worldwide including the Ground Zeroes? How much did it cost and how much profit has it made? Obviously you know otherwise you wouldn't be questioning giving Kojima a blank cheque. The game is a commercial and critical success! Boom!

I GOT BOOMED

So just throwing it out there

If MGSV is less than 1 million on all platforms after 3 months;

Is SE taking cash up front and selling 200k on two platform in one month (not counting a few bundles) seems a little different to me now

MGS has never sold what TR reboot sold, I think!

 

[1st Course]

Yea his budget was way out of hand but do we know if the game was profitable for Konami?

Well even if it was profitable that's not the end to the story. Konami probably think those 80 million or so that were spent on MGSV would've been better spent on more profitable ventures.

Opportunity cost and all that jazz.

 

[Fdkn]

Game sold what, less than 2 million WW? I very much doubt it paid for itself

lol, no.

Stop overrepresenting US sales please ._.

 

[Stone Ocean]

lol, no.

Stop overrepresenting US sales please ._.

Do we have UK/EU numbers? I know the JP sales were around 600k, something like that.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Konami lied about shipment numbers three months ago, or this is referring to something else? Halo 5?

It shipped 3 million worldwide probably. Sold less than that of course.
Edit: Hope the 200k was worth the 1 million missed sales. Bah, who am I kidding Microsoft probably paid millions to make it a timed exclusive.

 

[cameron]

How is MGSV outside of the US? Is the market big?

So just throwing it out there

If MGSV is less than 1 million on all platforms after 3 months;

Is SE taking cash up front and selling 200k on two platform in one month (not counting a few bundles) seems a little different to me now

Bomba Olympics.

I GOT BOOMED

lol, indeed.

 

[DeadOnions]

I always loved the line that Mad Max would be crushed by MGSV releasing on the same day. Anyone know Max's numbers?

 

[Fdkn]

Do we have UK/EU numbers? I know the JP sales were around 600k, something like that.

Japan is over 600k not counting digital
Steamspy is around 800k
<1M retail in the US
I could try to dig some EU numbers in old PAL threads but EU is not a smaller market than US, and it had the bundle there too
then there is ROTW

The game should be around ~3.5 minimum.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

a little lttp, but wow.

SE done fucked it up.

 

[watdaeff4]

How is MGSV outside of the US? Is the market bigd.

My guess is bigger than US hence the LE console in Europe

 

[Matt]

Japan is over 600k not counting digital
Steamspy is around 800k
<1M retail in the US
I could try to dig some EU numbers in old PAL threads but EU is not a smaller market than US, and it had the bundle there too
then there is ROTW

The game should be around ~3.5 minimum.

Eh, more like maximum.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Japan is over 600k not counting digital
Steamspy is around 800k
<1M retail in the US
I could try to dig some EU numbers in old PAL threads but EU is not a smaller market than US, and it had the bundle there too
then there is ROTW

The game should be around ~3.5 minimum.

Oh yeah, completely forgot about Steam, silly me. That ain't too bad.

 

[sirap]

I sure hope Kojima didn't expect to have his moneypit amortized over multiple games...given you know damn well he would have spent another $80MM on the next one.

I don't know if it's a best practice to budget one title to lose money based off a future title 5+ years out. Seems pretty bad given opportunity cost and uncertainty.

This is such a bad argument that gets trotted out every time this discussion comes up. No, it probably was not worth the investment, even if Konami kept making games.

I don't know what Kojima/Konami's original intentions were. I'm just giving my opinion on why they would invest so much into a new engine ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[igordennis]

I am disappoint kev, i thought that post would be more epic.

 

[Melchiah]

No, people are laughing because they're entitled Sony fanboys who feel slighted because someone didn't kowtow to them for a change and they're petty about it. If the shoe were on the other foot surely people's faux integrity nonsense would cease to exist.

So, you wouldn't feel the same at all, if Xbox related franchise, like Mass Effect, would be timed exclusive to PS4/PC?

 

[allan-bh]

Surprise: V LTD < 1M

Konami deserves, but the game is very good and should have sold better.

 

[watdaeff4]

MGS has never sold what TR reboot sold, I think!

I think you are correct and I still believe it's a bad deal for everyone but in my eyes I think it may not be so bad for SE Depending on how much money they got from Microsoft and how much PC sales they'll get in the spring

Edit: The funny thing is is that some people think that Microsoft is the only one who came out good in this deal but in the end they might wind up the worst because nothing that they hope to achieve out of it seems to come to fruition - basing on my speculation on why they made the deal

 

[Fdkn]

Eh, more like maximum.

Assuming a normal digital ratio worldwide it should be over that but I don't really care, just pointing out that under 2-3M was unreasonable.

The game didn't drop in price yet as mgs games always so it should keep selling over time too.

 

[pastrami]

Whatever. Kojima probably has all these suitors offering him massive AAA budgets. If Konami can't appreciate losing money for the sake of an auteur, someone else will.

 

[Massa]

Its staggering to me that MS went all out with Halo, Gears, Forza, TR and got beat by Sony with NDC.

MS IPs are weaker than ever these days.

Eh, Microsoft were FAR less aggressive on bundling and pricing than they were last year and they still kept their YoY increase streak. They had a very good line-up and it did its job.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Wait, those MGSV numbers surely can't include PC going by Steamspy?

http://steamspy.com/app/287700

These are WW figures, but still seems too low, taking into consideration all 3 platforms.

 

[ConfusedGamer]

Assuming a normal digital ratio worldwide it should be over that but I don't really care, just pointing out that under 2-3M was unreasonable.

The game didn't drop in price yet as mgs games always so it should keep selling over time too.

Didn't the game win PlayStation Platinum award for shipping more then 1 million copies in Japan + Asia?

 

[SpotAnime]

Surprise: V LTD < 1M

Anyone have sales figures for the other MGS mainline games? Wondering if this is par for the series or a symptom of a steady decline. It certainly reviewed well, had great word of mouth among core gamers. Did GZ maybe turn the general consumer off? Or poor marketing to blame? Sounds like for whatever reason it just didn't reach the Target/Walmart audience.

 

[allan-bh]

Anyone have sales figures for the other MGS mainline games? Wondering if this is par for the series or a symptom of a steady decline. It certainly reviewed well, had great word of mouth among core gamers. Did GZ maybe turn the general consumer off? Or poor marketing to blame? Sounds like for whatever reason it just didn't reach the Target/Walmart audience.

MGS 4 closed 2008 (7 months of sales) with 1.08m. Plus 220k bundles were sold in first month.

 

[Par Score]

Wait, those MGSV numbers surely can't include PC going by Steamspy?

http://steamspy.com/app/287700

These are WW figures, but still seems too low, taking into consideration all 3 platforms.

What would digital sales be doing in an NPD thread?

"V LTD < 1M" is talking US retail only.

 

[Massa]

MGS 4 closed 2008 (7 months of sales) with 1.08m. Plus 220k bundles were sold in first month.

1 million for V seems in line with that then. It will probably be up over 4 by some considering PC and digital.

 

[Y2Kev]

I am disappoint kev, i thought that post would be more epic.

Honestly I looked back and aside from some literally insane mgs fans who are insane most people agreed with me. So I guess I just have a thing for insane mgs fans. I used to be one so it hurts.

 

[Y2Kev]

Assuming a normal digital ratio worldwide it should be over that but I don't really care, just pointing out that under 2-3M was unreasonable.

The game didn't drop in price yet as mgs games always so it should keep selling over time too.

It has dropped in price.

 

[Raist]

I thought MGS wasn't all that succesful in the US overall. Or am I mistaken?
Still seems a bit low for V.

 

[Y2Kev]

If you add bundles, didn't IV outsell V month one?

 

[Radec]

1 million for V seems in line with that then. It will probably be up over 4 by some considering PC and digital.

V came out in 5 platforms compared to 1 by 4 though. So it should be expected.