Primethius
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Not really. Halo 5 released on that date and did 935k with bundles in that month's NPD. Need for Speed released on November 3rd.
The comparison is pretty heavily skewed towards NFS.
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NPD Sales Results for November 2015 [Up3: Combined Hardware For PS4 + XB1 + Wii U]
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Not really. Halo 5 released on that date and did 935k with bundles in that month's NPD. Need for Speed released on November 3rd.
The comparison is pretty heavily skewed towards NFS.
And then what do they do with a brand burned to the ground?
They rebuild it again with a multi-million multi-years investement hoping that people will like it again?
Doesn't sound like a good plan.
SRTtoZ
Member
Yea but we knew how badly BF on PS4 outsold everyone just by the server stats that have been up since it released. I think it was like 150k to XB1's 75k concurrent players.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I honestly did not personally meet many Xbox owners who were aware of the deal or its release date. I'm not sure many gamers were aware of a new Tomb Raider.
And then what do they do with a brand burned to the ground?
They rebuild it again with a multi-million multi-years investement hoping that people will like it again?
Doesn't sound like a good plan.
Well they released the game as an exclusive for a struggling console, at the same time than no less than 4 heavy hitters, and only bundled the game with a less than attractive MSRP at a retailer where they historically don't perform well. You never know.
Oh yeah? Well what if I AM stupid then? Hmm? Hmm?
I'm just being facetious btw
Led_Zeppelin
Member
Yeah I understand. I also think that the Reboot Tomb Raider is nothing more than an Uncharted clone and is made mostly out of iterative ideas that come from other games. Kinda like Shadow of Mordor. I can see why some people like it but unlike Shadow of Mordor, Tomb Raider has a history and a legion of old fans that may want something that isn't just a "follow the leader" type of game.
AmuroChan
Member
I don't doubt that there will be another TR game in the future. Sure, the game will under-perform sales-wise, but S-E should see this as a business decision that failed and not that the IP isn't relevant anymore. I assume they were compensated by MS for this arrangement which should make up for some of the loss, and hopefully come next year the PC/PS4 versions will sell to some respectability.
Ok, now I'm lost.
Neuromancer
Member
Yep
LowerLevel
Member
The same numbnut that put Alan Wake against Red Dead. Seems like the same lame strategy...
shinobi602
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Samurai G0SU
Member
Were there even any commercials stricly for rise of the tomb raider? I onlu remember seeing the montage with a clip of tomb raider. Easily forgettable tbh
you say all this like someone at CD is going to read it and go "hey, Jim, can we change things around and make a clunky ass PS1 game again? no, make the controls worse and the tits bigger"
they were of their time. I thought Rise was amazing and I'm not saying it's perfect but harking back to those old games isn't helping anyone. It's never going to be 1996 again.
For any other franchise perhaps, but this is Halo. Just think, you are comparing Halo sales to NFS with only a week difference in release dates between the two. NFS.
Yeah this seemed weird. I did not see a single ad for ROTR. It felt like they were intentionally avoiding to spend money on ads. Then Fallout happened and I think I see why they "gave up".
Yes I do believe they had set the date before Fallout happened.
Edit:
I forgot who that crapgamer dude was.. Why did I watch that video? :|
He must be in a paid role.
Yeah, so what? Are we supposed to root for every game to be successful now?
Bad games should fail. Games with stupid exclusivity deals and release dates should fail.
This is a sales thread, not a "love every game no matter what" thread.
Primethius
Banned
Sure, but I think your ignoring context a bit. It's not surprising for NFS to chart above Halo because Halo 5 debut'd to such low numbers for the franchise.
The second month drop-off when the base-line was already low to begin with versus a brand new title.
This is so much utopian nonsense. Nobody in life ever says "well how dare you hate a movie and are happy to see it bomb, someone else likes it and it took hard work to make it!" Nobody says that shit, because that's like some kindergarten kiddie glove nonsense. This is the real world, adults can hate things like certain movies, books and games and be damn happy to see it not rewarded for what they individually believe is a terrible quality.
I don't care others want to see it grow, because I was in the series first, nobody cared that they destroyed that true original for this crap. Now I have to give them the courtesy they almost certainly did not afford to anyone else? These are games, not people. They are works of art or love or whatever, and people can hate them and be happy they bomb. Games are not human beings with feelings. OG TR was great and the only games of its kind, I think the new games are terrible and are like a zillion other titles that I don't give a shit about either (including Uncharted, btw). I am happy it bombed because I think it sucks and is a poison in this franchise. I've articulated at great depth (almost certainly deeper than any of these people criticizing me) before why I feel it is bad, so it is not from nowhere. I've earned my right to comment on how this development makes me feel.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Amirox...come on man.
He's trolling, like that 2008 Xbox 360 FFXIII post, right?
Right?
Gamer @ Heart
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Thanks. Was hoping it would be higher cause I don't want to run out of people to play with lol.
gaming_noob
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I think it's telling about how much MS knows their target market if they thought exclusivity on TR was the right business decision.
Could you please show me, with numbers and simple math, how the gap is "slowly moving up then shrinking down" this year? Do you realize the gap is up YoY? Not down, not flat, up. Do you realize that this very November, in a complete reversal of what happened last November, the gap increased the most it has in over a year? That is literally the opposite of both "slowly" and "shrinking down".
You are taking the holiday season of last year (which was the result of Microsoft's aggressive price cut which isn't happening this year) and making it into some sort of pattern that is very clearly not materializing or being reflective of reality.
It's fucking Halo, on Black Friday month. How did Need for Speed of all franchises beat Microsoft's #1 selling franchise?
#8 is pretty much where most people expected the game to be.
Never forget.
oh man :/
do you guys think they will still try to sell it at full price when it comes to ps4?
Neither of those are "shockers" in any way.
Welfare
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Didn't NFS have BF deals? Probably that. Halo wasn't discounted IIRC. Would be nice to see the gap in sales between those.
careful you don't cut yourself on that edge
I guess you were not around last month? Halo 5 has not been selling the Halo of old.
They'll relaunch as a director's cut on XB1 and PS4 for $60.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Wat the shit xD. You can use this as a bookmark if you printed it. It's like an infinite loop!
It's crazy. When I think back to Halo 3 and the crazy numbers that game sold, it's unfathomable that the franchise has fallen so much that it gets beat in the next month by a NFS title releasing a week later.
Primethius
Banned
I mean... this isn't the Halo of old. Welcome to last month.
How much will it sell on PS4 though? If it releases in November it'll run into the same problem, but will have an even harder time due to the fact that it will technically be old news. PC launch early next year will hopefully be decent, but I my hopes for PS4 sales aren't high.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
And it will fail again if they do that.
DarthWalden
Banned
The game didn't sell poorly because of the new direction. The game is fantastic people and has great word of mouth. People want to play it, they just can't because it's not on there system of choice and it's not too bothersome right now because it launched right in between star wars, call of duty, and fallout.
Poimandres
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Wait for the DMC fans to tell you how wrong you are! I'm not too invested personally, and I see your point. At least DMC and DmC are the same genre.
I think the main argument is that the "core" (heh) of Tomb Raider is exploration + puzzle solving + adventure, where as the new series is mostly cinematic action. That has nothing to do with PS1 controls or going back to 1996.
In saying that, isn't Rise a bit closer to the old games in that sense then the reboot was? Plus, it reviewed really well and has really positive impressions from most.
it's not that crazy. Halo is been on a steady decline for a while. it will still pull in great numbers by the end of the holiday season.
it's just not the juggernaut of Halo 3 days.
That would be the final nail in Lara's coffin.
Using the rough available numbers, looks like PS4+XB1 averted falling back to Gen 6 numbers for the #1 and #2 systems in a big way! Pretty dang sharp slope! November sales are a bigger part of Q4 sales these days, but still, that's a really, really big leap. Nice stuff. (^_^)
Primethius
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If by steady decline, you mean starting with Halo 5, then yes, you're correct.
Well there's no way MS can see this as a success right?
I mean, what the hell happens if Gears 4 tanks as well?
I just want Halo to soar again. I think it can, just not by the people who are in charge of it now.