freefornow
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NPD Sales Results for November 2015 [Up3: Combined Hardware For PS4 + XB1 + Wii U]
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Probably the current plan is full price with all the DLCs they have recently announced, one year later on PS4. Call it Definitive Version and release it again on PC and X1.
But we might be in for surprises (similarly to the Biohazard 4 on PS2 shock), in January some execs from SE/CD/MS will take a seat with all the numbers from the holiday season and will decide what to do out of this.
I wouldn't be shocked if the release date of the PS4 version was pushed forward to May-June in a twist.
DriftingSpirit
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Good stuff!Using the rough available numbers, looks like PS4+XB1 averted falling back to Gen 6 numbers for the #1 and #2 systems in a big way! Pretty dang sharp slope! November sales are a bigger part of Q4 sales these days, but still, that's a really, really big leap. Nice stuff. (^_^)
there's some story dlc so that's probably right. They'll just bundle it together and charge $60
RealityPales
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Absolutely
Primethius
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I don't think Halo 5's success, or lack thereof, can solely be pinned on the studio in charge. It's certainly a factor but there are other, more prominent factors at play that contributed to it's decline (e.g. 360 owners switching to PS4, the userbase buying the XB1 and so on).
toddhunter
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You sure? It was released alongside four other big name shooter franchises in cod, fallout, halo and battlefront. While you could argue this is the dumb business move, there is always a big shooter coming out.
The first solution to me seems to make a great game that isn't just another shooter. I'm pretty sure a game like that can still succeed on one platform.
I'm a kindergarten gloves kinda nonsense.
Try it. Works better and if that doesn't work I'm such a position that I can strangle most people or just punch them out with said gloves.
I think your replying to the wrong person. I just responded to the poster as to why many within the older TR community liked what we see now. Nothing else.
Suzushiiro
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It'll probably be full price, but have DLC included (because that's a Sony requirement for late ports.) They'll most likely dress it up as a definitive/ultimate edition.
Amirox...come on man.
Come on about what? Are we really trying to get to a point where anyone thinks it's OK to try to tell others they can't be happy when something they believe is trash bombs? Is this what the gaming community is now? That's where we are at with sharing opinions now? Only happy unicorns and rainbows? We're only allowed to say "well someone somewhere must like this crap, and people worked hard on it! Therefore, I hope this thing which I believe is atrocious still succeeds and I am not happy in any way to see it not do well!"
Sorry, that's just not the real world. I think the reboot sucks, it destroyed an original series, and I'm absolutely ecstatic it bombed. Could not be any happier if I tried. Why do games keep getting treated differently than movies, tv shows and books? I can write a novel over the amount of GAF posts I've seen happy over a crappy movie bombing or a crappy tv show bombing. Well, I think this is crappy. And I can define WHY.
No, perception wise the franchise took a hit with Reach and then Halo 4 really fucked it up bad despite selling well.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Can't tell if serious, me thinks it sarcasm for the lulz. So I'll laugh.
There's no way, the game would be below $20 on XBO and PC at that stage and there's going to be truckloads of massive games releasing at that point in the year that aren't old news. There's no decent value in a full priced release.
TheStruggler
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sony is so desperate they are lowering the price of the ps4 they can't compete with xbox if the price remained the same, they are even desperate to win december that they are trying to use the start wars movie hype to sell their system, xbox would never do that we have games.
This is what I don't understand. The 4GB was "on sale" for $130 at Wal-Mart 10 years after the system's release. I bought a Jasper basic console for ~$100 ($200 + $100 WM GC) ~3 years after the system's release. Why could they afford to sell it for basically $100 7 years ago but can't get there today?
This may be a result of the damage the MCC did and, if so, the launch of Halo 5 may have helped alleviate the fears some people had. Or maybe the damage is done and those people have moved on. Of course, it could be the case that people were already leaving and the botched launch last year accelerated the process.
Primethius
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Perception for Reach I'd say is largely irrelevant given that Halo 4 still sold quite significantly.
It's hard to gauge the negative impact of Halo 4 since MCC also pretty much screwed the pooch.
lol
Huh? That's like the average gamers holy trinity along with fallout
Thanks
yeah i don't get this either. this franchise is still relevant? fucking hell.
3rdamention
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How did other Xbox One exclusives not named Halo 5 perform so far?
The most recent example that I can think of is Sunset Overdrive, which wasn't released alongside far bigger games and still did poorly.
If you want to avoid big name shooters then a May or June release would be just fine. RotTR had to be a holiday release due to contractual obligations with Microsoft, so it was sandwiched between big name IPs like Call of Duty, Fallout etc. It was sent to die. It doesn't matter what kind of game it is, it was clearly sent to die. Everybody here saw it coming.
Meanwhile, Uncharted 4 skipped the holiday rush and is set to sell gangbusters in March.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
And then say how "Un-American" we are for supporting the PS4.
StrongBlackVine
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Darrell Gallagher the head of CD is not innocent in all this.
Yeah, this was ridiculous to release the game sandwiched in the middle of all this. It's a fucking shame.
I'd love to know their reasoning behind it. It's such a good game. It didn't deserve this.
TheStruggler
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I was so accurate I actually scared myself, need to give myself a minute here
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Deleted member 17706
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I often agree with you, but I can't get behind this.
Just because other people get all shitty about games, movies, tv shows, and books bombing, doesn't mean you should aspire to be like them.
Primethius
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I think Hitman will be fine. It always struck me as an IP with a more dedicated following. After the shitfest that was Absolution, the new one looks much better. It should do fine on consoles and exceptional on PC, me thinks.
I meant the hard working employees who made the game, not the business execs.
I welcome your opinion, but the fact that you seem so emotionally involved is a little off putting. I feel the same way about people that hate/love plastic boxes or worship developers (Naughty Gods, anyone?), because it just seems odd to get so worked up over a hobby, which makes it hard to relate.
mysteriousmage09
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Wow TR dead out of the gate.
I hope so but that soft launch thing they've got planned has me worried. I think it's neat idea but I don't know how it's going to go down. At least it's not exclusive (apart from a few missions on the PS4)
Their reasoning is really simple. Microsoft wanted a bullet point for consumers to choose Xbox One over PS4 in the holiday season.
Plan failed.
shinobi602
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You do realize the series was fucking floundering before the reboot right? That was the entire point of it. No one gave a shit about Tomb Raider anymore.
The reboot saved the franchise. I get that doesn't sit right with "series purists" like yourself, but there's two kinds of series that exist on a log time frame - those that are willing to evolve with the times, and those that become stagnant. It's interesting to adamantly want the series to remain something everyone already know it for. Most series that do that end up on Kickstarter.
Probably you should know that CD was behind the deal
CD has been close (or in bed as you prefer
) with MS for years.No PS3 version of Legend and Anniversary until the Collection in 2011.
Underworld with fully exclusive DLCs on 360.
Always on stage with Microsoft.
Rise of the Tomb Raider Xbox exclusive.
The man behind the deal probably has a name and is Darrell Gallagher.
Of course if you mean the actual employees who worked hard to make a great game yes :/ they didn't deserve it.
Starting pistol was loaded.
You forgot that backwards compatibility wasn't available for the whole month with it the XBO would clearly have sold 2M+. And with the scam that is PS2 on PS4 PS4 sales are sure to tank even more.
LifEndz
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I love Fallout 4 but I'm amazed it's this much of a monster. That's hardly an entry level rpg with easy to understand mechanics. Hell, I had to watch a YouTube video on how to get lights in my settlement set up, not to mention the crafting systems and me managing my companion's inventory. With those kind of sales they have to have sold to that "dudebro" crowd that only buy Cod and Madden. How the hell they got that crowd to buy fallout is beyond me. Kudos to Bethesda.
It's not shitty though. These are things people put out in the world with the explicit purpose of people judging them. There is an entire field of criticism dedicated to people explicitly tearing apart works of art they deem terrible, and people agreeing to these well reasoned critiques.
These are not people. They are inanimate objects. People worked on them, but knowing that their work is public, they have to deal with people judging their work harshly and being happy their "art" did poorly because they feel it sucks.
This says not one negative thing about someone's human condition.
SRTtoZ
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No no no. Square Enix didn't have to take the money. I don't put any blame on MS, they were just trying to do what was best for their console in their minds. Blame SE if you want to blame someone.
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Deleted member 17706
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Cheering for something that other people like to crash and burn when it has no real effect on you comes across as a very shitty thing to do in my book.
Its failure does not mean your chances for getting the Tomb Raider game you want are any more likely.
RichiRamjag
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Im with you. I'm glad it bombed, not only do
I dislike what happened to the franchise, I'm not a fan of the exclusivity either. I admit it does suck for those who worked on the game, but I'm glad the public hasn't rewarded them for the choices they made. I thought this was how the market works.
shinobi602 said:
If evolution means getting crappier, then there will always be a legion of people to call them out on it. This isn't a charity. People pay for this shit. They are allowed to form an opinion in which they say it is garbage, because once again I've wrote in great detail why I think it sucks. So now I also get to be happy it bombs. You guys really need to stop litigating negativity because you don't like hearing it. You live in a world in which people are absolutely equally allowed to hate a franchise you love, and are equally allowed to wish it fails the same way you'd hope it succeeds. Two sides of the same coin, and all part of forming real world adult opinions.
And nobody is against the series "updating." I am against the series "updating" into something that shares virtually no similarities with the original. If you want to do that, get a new series. They didn't, so now I get my time to be happy they were not rewarded for it here.