travisbickle
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NPD Sales Results for November 2015 [Up3: Combined Hardware For PS4 + XB1 + Wii U]
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He makes charts about console sales based on data, and others based on predictions.
He now has a website.
Halo 5 numbers please!
hydrophilic attack
Member
Is ZhugeEX still banned? What for?
I miss him here
I miss him here
Jack The Nipper
Banned
There stubbornness to change the wii u is the real issue.
There's risk involved with just about anything, but going after the core games market with an underpowered system at the tail end of a long generation thus missing out on 3rd party support once competitors release their new systems is above anything plain foolishness.
We're talking about a company who has a history of lacking 3rd party support on their consoles even with their massively successful Wii product, thinking they'd get multi-platform HD titles with PS4 and Xbox One just around the corner.
If that isn't foolish then I don't know what is.
XboxOne sold 5k less then PS4 between 22nd - 28th of November in th UK apparently.
139k PS4
134k XboxOne
I haven't seen stats for the whole month.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Sucks for Tomb Raider and Crystal Dynamics but maybe SE will learn from this.
Note to Phill, this is not how you go about diversifying your line up. I appreciate the effort to make it more than a shooter box, but I can promise you if this was a new IP, more people would've tried it out.
Note to Phill, this is not how you go about diversifying your line up. I appreciate the effort to make it more than a shooter box, but I can promise you if this was a new IP, more people would've tried it out.
That's definitely a fair criticism. It will be interesting to see if their current trajectory is similar to that of the 360, or if they have fundamentally changed their philosophy. I suspect they are probably going to be forced to spend more effort on their more idiosyncratic games, even if they don't sell well initially (and Scalebound is not going to sell well) simply because Halo, Gears, and Fable are no longer the tentpoles they once were and they do need something, or a combination of somethings, to eventually replace some of that.
Cre8
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Obliterator
Member
You meant this window?
Love you, Lara. See you in PS4
OH SHIT
ProfessorMoran
Member
How much did this have to do with Kamiya's personal preference for MS over Sony? As a business decision I just can't make much sense of it from the point of view of Platinum.
biggersmaller
Banned
Work of art.
BigSoftieFF
Member
You meant this window?
Love you, Lara. See you in PS4
That's funny.
Amirox is entirely entitled to be happy about TR bombing. I dont see what is wrong with it if he believes ROTR bombing would increase the likelihood of getting an old school TR that he likes. Before people say that is impossible, this generation should tell you that nostalgia is a powerful thing. See the kind of announcements Sony has been making for example.. What was old is new again this gen..
For example I was kind of happy the Order bombed because I was concerned that its success will mean
a. Sony's focus with respect to first party content will be on story at the cost of gameplay
b. Would encourage a AAA trend towards these sort of games
Now a and b could be someone else's cup of tea but it is not mine and therefore I was hoping the market does not respond to the Order - which is in my opinion an utterly mediocre game. It turned out to be the case and we will prob not get any more cinematic completely devoid of player agency tps games for a long time from any publisher.
Maybe Amirox feels that way about TR.
For example I was kind of happy the Order bombed because I was concerned that its success will mean
a. Sony's focus with respect to first party content will be on story at the cost of gameplay
b. Would encourage a AAA trend towards these sort of games
Now a and b could be someone else's cup of tea but it is not mine and therefore I was hoping the market does not respond to the Order - which is in my opinion an utterly mediocre game. It turned out to be the case and we will prob not get any more cinematic completely devoid of player agency tps games for a long time from any publisher.
Maybe Amirox feels that way about TR.
RichiRamjag
Member
I'm sure folks are doing nothing but sitting around plotting and planning for the demise of franchises they don't care for. It certainly isn't possible for someone to be dismissive of something without obsessing over it, aye?
Come on now... It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to say that you don't care for something and that you don't feel bad if it doesn't do well. Seriously, give me a break.
dreamlongdead
Member
Amiibo sales will help their support their finances, and there are still just enough software releases across Wii U and 3DS that will allow Nintendo to survive.
Early 2016 is actually healthy for 3DS, and it will probably be a decent year overall.
Nintendo will definitely have a few big releases for the holiday. Pokemon Z seems like a given.
Wii U's 2016 lineup is somewhat barren. It is on the level of 2006 Gamecube, and people here are assuming that the same events from 2006 will repeat themselves because Nintendo has supposedly ceased software development for Wii U.
My personal prediction, though, is that new Nintendo hardware will not launch in 2016. The new Zelda will not immediately be a cross-platform even if the new console came out.
I have a hard time believing that the system is ready, and an even harder time believing that Nintendo will have games ready for the new system. Third party support is essential for the console to survive, and anyone who disagrees is just in denial. Nintendo can't keep a steady stream of games on their own.
Nintendo may need a little more time to execute their NX plans, so 2017 will likely be the year they release the system. Some of you are acting as if Nintendo's going to die or something without the new console.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Yeah, I think there's just a segment of people who learned the Wii's blue ocean lesson way too well, to the extent that they retroactively project that business model onto every successful console. The PS2 wasn't some sort of Wii avant la lettre, it was what the Wii was explicitly setting out not to be.
The Wii was a fad. It looked brilliant while it was selling well, but now that we have a little bit of perspective it should be apparent to everyone that the PS2 business model is a much better strategy for the home console market.
Stuggernaut
Grandma's Chippy
You meant this window?
Love you, Lara. See you in PS4
lol perfect
While the absolute gap keeps going up, the relative gap is staying pretty consistent. That is, PS4 is staying at a relatively consistent % level ahead of XB1's LTD.
jmaine_ph
Member
Too soon. LMAO!You meant this window?
Love you, Lara. See you in PS4
Imru al-Qays;188790488 said:
This generation won't get into impulse purchase territory. It might get to $199 if we're lucky. Development costs have also gone up which has suffocated the software library.
The problem for this gen was that Nintendo and MS tried to appeal to both core and casual with high price hardware. The strategy worked last gen because they offered something exciting in Wiimote and Kinect(and Wii was a more affordable price too) but it failed this gen because Kinect and touchscreen are not fresh anymore. Sony on the other hand changed their strategy from $600 down to a more affordable $400 and are the ones that succeeded. Remains to be seen how Nintendo and MS learn from their mistakes and alter their strategy to succeed. Increasing development costs are a problem for everyone though.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
I mean, it's entirely possible that Sony simply didn't feel like bankrolling Kamiya - they swooped in and secured the "fans of hardcore action games by legendary Japanese developers" demographic with Bloodborne a year in advance.
bigboss370
Member
I wonder if Sony's bombastic E3 had anything to do with their hardware sales this holiday season. 1.5 million is insane.
fluffydelusions
Member
You meant this window?
Love you, Lara. See you in PS4
amazing
Obliterator
Member
Yeah I could see 2016 being the PS4's peak year in terms of hardware sales.
Is people serious when they hope every MS exclusive to bomb and say things like "Sony does art MS just wants money"?
They're all businesses, relax. If you don't like any of the three, they're not going to force you to buy their console (only pcmr do that! /s), just avoid it.
Their purpose is to make money, and they both do the same things to sell more hardware, software and subscriptions.
About TR, let's not forget they sold like 5 mln of the reboot but they earned almost nothing. Going exclusive was bad for the users, but was 99% good for their finances, they have market analysts for this. The deal will probably help making a third game, releasing on every console at the same time.
If you don't like this go with Nintendo, they barely do any 3rd party deal and they release a lot of damn good games anyway. Hopefully they cut the price of WiiU once they announce NX, but the Gamepad costs a lot to make afaik.
That said, launching in the same month with the annual COD, DICE FPS and, most of all, the long awaited Fallout 4 was a bad idea, but they probably planned it before Uncharted 4 was delayed.
They're all businesses, relax. If you don't like any of the three, they're not going to force you to buy their console (only pcmr do that! /s), just avoid it.
Their purpose is to make money, and they both do the same things to sell more hardware, software and subscriptions.
About TR, let's not forget they sold like 5 mln of the reboot but they earned almost nothing. Going exclusive was bad for the users, but was 99% good for their finances, they have market analysts for this. The deal will probably help making a third game, releasing on every console at the same time.
If you don't like this go with Nintendo, they barely do any 3rd party deal and they release a lot of damn good games anyway. Hopefully they cut the price of WiiU once they announce NX, but the Gamepad costs a lot to make afaik.
That said, launching in the same month with the annual COD, DICE FPS and, most of all, the long awaited Fallout 4 was a bad idea, but they probably planned it before Uncharted 4 was delayed.
Absolutely none. Sony was offered it and they rejected it. Same goes for Bayonetta 2.
RichiRamjag
Member
Someone actually said this?
They need to cut that shit out. Did the same with sunset and maybe titanfall? I'm not sure what they're looking for from these companies.
Did somebody actually say that and I missed it?
Led_Zeppelin
Member
I think is the "Jurassic World" effect. People that grew up during the mid 90's with a PS1 are now over 25, with families and the like. I think it would be in the best interest of a lot publisher with old IPs in their hands to make new use of them the best possible way, nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
These consoles haven't even had their first redesigns yet, and I would argue that $199 is very much impulse buy territory.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Amiibo is definitely no enough. It's just the start of Nintendo's upcoming focus on more than just video games.
ninjablade
Banned
Did they really try to go after the core market? I think the wiiu tablet was more in line with trying to attract there handheld market with the console market. It really wouldn't make sense for them to release a console with similar specs to last gen if they wanted to attract the core market, Nintendo isn't that stupid, they were banking on the tablet.
I'm very curious to see what SE says about TR's performance this time. They were very honest last time when they were not happy with the performance of the title, so I have no reason to believe they won't again. If they are positive it'll mean they likely received enough from MS to ensure they didn't take a bath on this title and will be able to make number 3.
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
People love to attack tomb Raider on here. Holy Crap lol its like the latest thing to attack the other side for lol. Total Shane about tomb Raider tho. Great game. That top ten tho. Think I'm growing up. I own fallout and halo
I guess the ps4 is deffo the third party champion this gen. I don't see a single ps4 exclusive in the top ten?
I guess the ps4 is deffo the third party champion this gen. I don't see a single ps4 exclusive in the top ten?
Wii made perfect sense for the first three years when PS3 was priced out of the mainstream and Red Ring of Death could scare off your typical shoppers. Nintendo's problem is that they never adequately responded to mobile.
People who want games like GTA and COD are not turning to cheap or free or mobile knock offs to get those experiences. Most of the casual stuff that made Wii successful is now available on hardware that people already own, and at a fraction of the price. This was actually rather obvious in 2012, which makes the Wii U something of a question mark. It was not really designed to win over the fans of third party software either, so it is hard to tell what the aim was. Either way, the casual audience has been in Apple's and Google's pockets for quite some time now.
Exactly. Before this gen I would have laughed at the possibility of an old school TR but now... I am not sure. Anything is possible.
ninjablade
Banned
Personally think 2015 is looking much better, witcher 3, batman, Bloodborne, mgs5 and fall out 4.
You realize this is published by Square Enix? the same company who were unimpressed by the low 3.4Mil sales of the first game, given the disastrous sales of this one and the clusterfuck of the exclusivity deal, what makes you think there will be a third?
The franchise was probably put out to die
Holy !You meant this window?
Love you, Lara. See you in PS4
Why he left? He is one of the few who actually know what the hell they talking about regardless sales data
Getting Tomb Raider once is out on PC, seems like a solid title by all accounts. To bad it gets flak because -zXConsoleWarXz- nonsense
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Yeah - they were banking on the tablet so hard, in fact, that they allowed it to drive the Wii U's price up way past the Wii's launch price. That's what doomed the console.
If the Wii U had launched at $200 as an HD Wii with Wiimotes instead of the gamepad it would be selling much better than it currently is (though still not particularly well: waggle's time is past). There's obviously still some cohort of the old Wii audience still lingering around, it's just that Nintendo isn't catering to them.
ProfessorMoran
Member
Has that been confirmed? I wonder why they would do that, they've bankrolled quite a number of games that aren't necessarily mainstream.
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