The new Just Dance selling better on Wii in 2015 tells me that Nintendo should have gone down the upgrade path and released a Wii HD. They could have moved to updating their hardware every 2 years similar to what Apple do. That boat has sailed though. Probably hit an iceberg and sunk too.
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NPD Sales Results for November 2015 [Up3: Combined Hardware For PS4 + XB1 + Wii U]
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The new Just Dance selling better on Wii in 2015 tells me that Nintendo should have gone down the upgrade path and released a Wii HD. They could have moved to updating their hardware every 2 years similar to what Apple do. That boat has sailed though. Probably hit an iceberg and sunk too.
I think you're right. I know it's true for me.
Game bombed in any possible way. The hell, The Order with bad reviews, butchered by media ( since reveal at E3 ) sold more than 200k.
DarkLordMalik
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Vita is dead but it will forever live in my heart as the Terminator.
What is even selling the PSTV? Black Friday bomba deals?
I think it was cheap as like $20 about a month ago.
I bought the FFVII port for the dynamic theme. I have no regrets.
Turin Turambar
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Kuchera just tweeted this. Surely this is referencing ROTTR, right? If so, shouldn't he have asked that question before posting his opinion piece?
https://twitter.com/BenKuchera/status/675362367669145600
Jeez he isn't very good at maths.
It's true that developing for one platfform instead of two or three is cheaper. But it never is cheap enough, the money you keep by only developing one version of the game isn't enough to compensate not having the profits of a second version. If that would be the case, the games development wouldn't make ANY sense, as if a game is profitable, the money you bring in with sales is higher than the development costs, that's why we have a games industry in the first place.
And once you have a base version, making a second or third version is much cheaper. Making a second version doesn't cost twice as much but it can allow to sell twice as much.
But whatever, because in this case they aren't saving money at all, they are going to make a second and third version of the game, just moths later when possibly the marketing campaign isn't as strong so the games sales will be affected.
That's a factor our dear Ben isn't taking in account, releasing the same game in three different dates separated by several months means the need of making three multi-million marketing campaigns, instead of one. So cheap.
I'd just ignore him. He's clearly pushing a set agenda and to even note this s stupid.
Hell last gen when porting was harder I remember publishers noting it was worth the additional 10 to 15% of development cost to have a 360 and PS3 version vs just a 360 version.
his assertion is simply laughable because he's trying to say it was better business to save a small portion of development costs vs gaining a large amount of revenue and profits. Clearly idiotic.
Even funnier I suspect they could have had a PS4 version for less cost that the 360 version. Check estimated sales on 360 then imagine they released purely on PS4 and XB1 instead and saved the cost f 360 version.
The guy's willing to be a public full like Geis because he has to in order to stay on track with a preset agenda which is to be pro Xbox and anything associated with it if at all possible. That makes him hardly worth listening to if you want anything remotely approaching unbiased opinions.
Business
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They should release a machine on par with PS4 or better that could host multiplatform games. That's the safest bet, but being Nintendo I'm sure they will try a cheaper, more exotic thing.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
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It is actually my favorite theme after the original Destiny one^^ It is kind of nostalgicly shocking to be playing a game, hitting the PS button, and then being greeted by that music.
The music + the key tones are basically nostalgia overload. Puts a smile on my face everytime. The only thing I don't like about the theme is that the green tinted transparent icons are a bit difficult to see.
did he have to fight another dude and was that script made into a movie?
Capturing lightning in a bottle is luck.
how much did The Order sell in the first month?
He just said the figure.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Well the sheer fact that it goes against all of the Nintendo hardware trends both before and prior to it kind of suggests that Nintendo did get lucky. They had the right product, at the right time but that market no longer cares and Wii U was stillborn.
Nintendo's home consoles have been on a downward trend since NES. Wii tapped into that lucrative but fickle casual well, and Nintendo wasn't able to sustain it, and now have got back on track with that downward trend.
It should be 1.6 mill of you count Octobers physical and digital plus this months physical ( that 1.3 number + 358k)
Thread slowed down considerably. I thought we'd keep up this momentum until cream shows up again. Oh well, 1 day to go (hopefully)
Didn't he have a mini-meltdown during Titanfall month, accusing the NPD of being untrustworthy?
Coulomb_Barrier
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Just thinking, the PS4 Uncharted Collection bundle has obviously sold absolute gangbusters, so the massive amount of people exposed to the excellent Uncharted games are going to be anticipating Uncharted 4 come March.
That bundle could help U4 do crazy numbers. Especially if the game itself is good. And my impression from the trailers and gameplay so far is that it's a lock to be a critical success.
That bundle could help U4 do crazy numbers. Especially if the game itself is good. And my impression from the trailers and gameplay so far is that it's a lock to be a critical success.
Refreshment.01
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ISn't a bit unfair to call it luck when they did the lighting catch twice in a row?
4 times in total with very unique products. Non of the other manufacturers have been able to pull that off, not to mention alone like Nintendo has done with some of it's products.
im not in disagreeing with what you are saying here, but which trends are you talking about?
Kenzodielocke
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This trend:
the Wii sold massive and the Wii U followed the trend by selling less than the NGC.
funkystudent
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PS4 going to 299 was what pushed it over the edge. I bet no one expected Sony to cut off another $50 after the first price cut and MS to take the holidays like they did last year through price slashes and mega bundles.
Also the XB1 and PS4 are still shockingly close in the US. Makes you wonder how bad the Xbox is selling everywhere else because the PS4 has that 2:1 lead world wide but in the US its just a 10% gap between them.
Also the XB1 and PS4 are still shockingly close in the US. Makes you wonder how bad the Xbox is selling everywhere else because the PS4 has that 2:1 lead world wide but in the US its just a 10% gap between them.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Since their first home console, Nintendo has consistently lost marketshare with each cycle. The only outlier being the Wii, because they decided to go after an audience which unfortunately for them, isn't there anymore. Wii U is a continuation of that trend, and going on 30 years now, Nintendo still doesn't seem to have a solution as to how to sustainably grow their audience.
Edit: Beaten.
According to reports, US difference is 1.1 million, or 10.9 vs. 9.8.
That would put the rest of the world at about 22 vs. 5, or over 4:1 ratio (probably 5:1 once Christmas shopping is done).
Dash_Riprock
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Having just read an excellent book on the Beanie Baby fad: Yes, you most certainly can.
1st Course
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IIRC yes unless I'm mixing him up with someone else. I've no issue with personal preferences, we all have them, but when public media figures allow them to outweigh facts and common sense and devolve into idiotic logic to try and preserve their agenda I lose a lot interest in listening to them.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
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Oh, geez, yeah!^^ At first, I though my trophy icon disappeared. They should probably make those a little darker...
Doctor_Thomas
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I own a disc copy, a PS1 classics copy and the PS4 version. It's the sort of game that fans will buy again and again and again and people who have heard the legacy of will also want to play. It's an amazing testament to how important the game was when it first released and how important it still is. The PS1 classic was a PSN best seller for ages, this will likely do the same on PS4.
I gave it some thought earlier in the thread.
NX will be there to host primarily Nintendo games, and will be a source of income, but not huge.
Nintendo will instead leverage their IPs more and get income from...
- Apps
- movie/tv show deals
- the theme park
- amiibo and similar merchandise.
I think it was Seamus Blackley who said "Nintendo is Disney and they don't realize it." He said this years ago and he's right. I think Nintendo is starting to realize they are the Disney of the video game world in the sense that they have one giant cohesive universe built.
Pimp out those IPs I say! Mario golf clubs, captain falcon condoms, pikmin soil, I dunno. Anything.
Sammy Samusu
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Wii and DS were both innovative, that was no luck.
mejin
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Nintendo's history of mass appealing portables are well known, but for home consoles Wii is an anomaly.
Since they give up to directly confront Sony and Microsoft on home consoles market, they will need to discover another fever so their console can be another hit. It won't be an easy task.
Since they give up to directly confront Sony and Microsoft on home consoles market, they will need to discover another fever so their console can be another hit. It won't be an easy task.
HocusPocus
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I really hope Microsoft learns a lot of lessons from this gen and applies it to their next console. They have to be either first out the gate or have the more powerful hardware. The other strategy is to launch at 299. Kinetic is the absolute worst thing that could have happened to them. They also failed miserably at marketing tomb raider and halo. Their were very little buzz or deals for either on Black Friday.
The other outliers are the NES, the Gameboy, and the DS. There is no trend really. All I see is Nintendo's ability to create huge hits from time to time, but not always.
IDK...
I bought the UCC & the first game is kinda shit in 2015 IMO. Aside from ten minutes of dialog, it was not fun. I started uc2, and there is an 'epic' train crash @ the beginning which is pretty stupid followed by terrible platforming. So in my mind, I'm thinking "ugg, another 5-10 hours of crappy tpshooting and 'epic' platforming in exchange for 10 minutes of good dialog? No thanks."
I also think the uc collection demo is a bad demo.
I look at Halo5's numbers and wonder if MCC is partly to blame. How many folk picked that up for the single player stuff, couldn't get through 10+ year old campaigns, and then wrote off the series?
How much did 3DS sell this month?
Manmademan
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The NES isn't an outlier, because it was their first home console system. (That poster's claim was "since their first home console" which referred to the NES) They've lost market share generation over generation with every other console they've released since then EXCEPT for the wii.
The portable systems target a different market- one in which there's rarely been significant competition except for nintendo themselves.
Don't know exactly but George said that down significantly YoY.
Pancakes R Us
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Don't worry though, it has sold more than PS4 and XBO combined worldwide!
Wait, what? Is that accurate? I haven't been paying enough attention to hardware WW numbers. The non-US XB1 figure is currently around 5 million?
Searching a bit, Sony's official WW sold through figure as of Nov 22, 2015 is 30.2 million . And MS only gave a 10 million shipped figure from last November and haven't disclosed useful data since. MS only sold 5 million WW since last November?
Mr. Harker, now that you're here I have the same question as every month:
How is the Wii U SW going? I'm interested in evergreen Nintendo titles (such as Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze and Mario 3D World) and others like Bayonetta 2 and Wonderful 101. Did they have a jump or are selling mostly the same as other months? (No need for hard numbers, only if they're selling better, the same or worse)
Thanks in advance!
How is the Wii U SW going? I'm interested in evergreen Nintendo titles (such as Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze and Mario 3D World) and others like Bayonetta 2 and Wonderful 101. Did they have a jump or are selling mostly the same as other months? (No need for hard numbers, only if they're selling better, the same or worse)
Thanks in advance!
Katana_Strikes
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I bet publishers are cancelling their PS4 games and moving them all to 3DS with that little nugget of info from Nintendo.
ShadowkillXNA
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And yet the n64, gamecube and wii u didnt sell any where near what the wii sold.
Nightengale
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Maybe not that low, but very likely no more than 7 million tops.