airmangataosenai
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Wii U is now trailing the Gamecube in America by over 1 million units at the same point in it's life.
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NPD Sales Results for October 2013 [Up2: 3DS, 360, Pokemon Combined, GTAV]
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Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
If I can remember rightly, Yakuza 4 did 26k in its NPD. Yakuza 3 50k.
Can't find the historical data here on GAF though
Would make for great giggles.
Can't find the historical data here on GAF though
Would make for great giggles.Basileus777
Member
Sega should just stop making console games in the West.
Metallix87
Member
If Wii U doesn't surpass 200k this month by a decent enough amount, then Nintendo's in REAL trouble.
Beyond really should have been a cross gen game.
Wish the Vita would have gotten another bundle, really wanted a white vita. Oh well probably just trying to clear old stock until they launch the new vita over here.
I wanna say give the Wii U one more year to say it's screwed, but... yeah it's screwed. There are moves Ninty could make, but we know their not going to :\
Wish the Vita would have gotten another bundle, really wanted a white vita. Oh well probably just trying to clear old stock until they launch the new vita over here.
I wanna say give the Wii U one more year to say it's screwed, but... yeah it's screwed. There are moves Ninty could make, but we know their not going to :\
Aquamarine
Member
GameCube hit a whopping 168K in its first October, while Wii U can't even manage 60K.
prag16
Banned
I think sub 300k would be panic territory. Sub 200k and krizzx will be on suicide watch.
Spieler Eins
Member
More importantly, they need games that don't look exactly like their 3DS/Wii counterparts (to the average costumer anyway). Even for Nintendo fans there's now no reason to buy this, as long as there's the 3DS (at a much more attractive price obv). But it's too late for that. Before some of the actual impressive looking (non-niche) Nintendo HD games come out, the WiiU will already be dead in the water for one and a half years minimum. And currently it doesn't look like they are able to actually get something like Mario Kart out earlier instead of more likely delaying it, lol
This must be some kind of twisted karma for all the companies that have died when Nintendo left them.
Metallix87
Member
Oh don't worry, they will. I wouldn't be surprised if the only third party titles for all of 2014 on the system are Call of Duty and Skylanders. Sega is likely done at this point, as is everyone else.
Creamsugar said 101 sold more than the individual releases of Rayman legends for 360, and PS3.
101 was under 30K for sure, I think Gaf figured ~27K.
prag16
Banned
Well for the full picture it's worth mentioning that PS360 drove numerous studios out of business.
We're still getting Watch_Dogs, right? RIGHT??
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
gamergirly
Member
Yeah, I was hoping he would post some WW numbers, even if they're like 50K
Randolph Freelander
Member
Please understand.
Revenues the last two fiscal years are down 65% from 2009. Take your sales and divide it by 3, and that's what Nintendo is doing compared to just a few years ago. Profits have evaporated into losses. 3DS will be a success, certainly relative to Vita, but it is not going to match the DS, which means the handheld operation isn't going to return to the same levels of revenue and profits in the near term. Wii U? That console will be lucky to see 15-20 million units sold, which would be down 80-85% from Wii. Get generous and double my estimates and it's still down 60-70%. The home console operation is in a position of not being able to come anywhere close to previous levels of revenues and profitability.
Companies do not exist to eek out a profit. It is not good enough to make one dollar. Companies need revenue growth, and profit growth. Nintendo's revenues and profits have been plummeting, and there's no chance of a change in the near term of 3 to 4 years. Nintendo needs a turnaround strategy, but most companies execute turnarounds under new leadership, particularly if it has been years of slumping financials, which is precisely what Nintendo has.
I fully admit to be looking at this from a western perspective and perhaps Japanese companies operate differently, but Nintendo seems to have already been extremely patient with current leadership, but it can only go on so long. Iwata surely sees the writing on the wall and is waiting for the ax to drop. I think, at best, he's around long enough to deliver EOY results after the March 31 quarter.
Metallix87
Member
Yeah, but that's basically a leftover from 2013.
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
The Mario and Sonic games have been solid performers, but you're nuts if you think this new one will have a bigger impact than Mario World.
CoffeeGames
Member
They haven't tried to market the system though, so I wouldn't really say the market has rejected it, it simply doesn't know it even exists. I mean, people won't buy what they don't know exists.
I saw more ads for YOGURTS and the PS4 and Xbox One in October while visiting family, than I did for the Wii U...which was none for the Wii U.
Nintendo of America has 100%, completely failed to even attempt to market it this last year IMO, until now?
They didn't advertise the ZombiU bundle, not one single TV or internet ad for it.
They didn't advertise the Wind Waker HD bundle on TV, not one single TV ad for it.
They really haven't even been trying, and in SOME cases, their trying has been pathetic for a billion dollar corporation.
After this year I'm sure they will. Only people left to support the Wii U will be Nintendo and whatever moneyhat's Nintendo does.
Aquamarine
Member
I guess this is the time where our optimism for a Wii U recovery fades
November numbers are absolutely critical for the system.
It NEEDS to perform above 300K to have a chance at recovery.
Angry Birds is so much more than free games now. All they have to so is keep the brand relevant and rake on the cash.
So did BF4. Majority ofses are made on 1st week.
Megadragon15
Member
That is great sales for an expensive Playstation 4 accessory that the Vita is.
Someone posted a few pages back that Generations 3DS opened only slightly higher and went on to sell 400k.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Sadly I do not see it achieving that tier
I will thoroughly enjoy Super Mario 3D World nonetheless.Forgive me Aqua, I have decided to sell my Nintendo stock at 13,050 on the Nikkei (18% return).
I am scared of the PS4 aftershock and the effects it will have. I will open a new position once FY2013 is over and Iwata establishes a proper business plan with a restructuring.
I purchased 2 days ago stock of Sony (sorry Nintendo).
Manmademan
Member
Its at 55k in October. Tripling demand would only get you 150k. Quadrupling it 200. A sixfold increase would get you to 300 and that's fantasy land.
The terrible numbers so far have been with no next gen competition and current gen on autopilot. By black Friday we will have 99 dollar 360s, 199 ps3s with batman and tlou packed in, AND shiny new ps4s and xbones.
The wiiu is going to be occupying the worst kind of retail ghetto with little shelf space, less games, and no advertising. Someone posted a best buy inventory screen with 400 copies of COD ps4 allocated compared to 8 copies for wiiu. Yes, 8.
Retail has no intention of pushing that system and its going to be brutal next month.
I laughed when people in the $160 Vita thread accused me of dissing the system for questioning their desire for remote play.
That's how Sony is marketing the damn thing!
I pointed this out in another thread, but I think the wii u's numbers are so low not because of apathy, but because of lack of information. Sure there's obviously a lot of apathy for the console, but it showed early on it could hit the ground running. Hopefully with the steady stream of games starting with mario going into next year, the console can atleast have respectable numbers.
Trevelyan9999
Banned
Worst case senerio: Wii U sells an average of 3.7 million a year worldwide (where is sits approx right now after 1 full year on the market)
3.7 million x 4 years max system lifespan (lets not kid about going to 5 years) = 14,800,000 systems sold. Taking this into account a console usually doesn't max out it's sales until it's 3rd year so Nintendo still has time to lower the price further and push the system for the next 2 years strong.
However even if those numbers do turn out true, it would be Nintendo's worst selling home console in it's history yes, but I'm sure those 15 million users (modern day Dreamcast) will have some great first party games to play during that time.
megabytecr
Member
Yep, while loving Off Tv play on the Wii U, the Vita is not attractive to me in this sense because of controls, I think I would prefer a VitaTV in the bedroom for remote play than a Vita.
Crash Station
Member
A sixfold increase is not unheard of during the holiday season.
gamergirly
Member
That would be if you were only looking at the system as is. Sales for Wii U will go above 100K on its own just because it's the holidays and crazy holiday shopping. 3D World should cause sales to go even higher. 300K is not really out of the glass in that retrospect. Just a question of how high it's going to go
I think those are VGC numbers.If I can remember rightly, Yakuza 4 did 26k in its NPD. Yakuza 3 50k.
Can't find the historical data here on GAF though
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Wow, Sonic fucking bombed.
I'm a sad panda.
I'm a sad panda.
prag16
Banned
So you're serious about expecting sub 100k. Have you never been through a November before?
Manmademan
Member
Your numbers are wildly overinflated, since almost all of that 3.7 million was frontloaded at launch. The wiiu has sold something like 500k worldwide this calendar year.
If it sells another 1 million worldwide by the holiday season, it MIGHT do 2 million a year at this rate.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
That's... the worst case scenario?
500k in US alone. Probably over 1m WW.
Duckhuntdog
Member
With the eDram provider shutting down the fab that is making the WiiU GPU in a year or two, the WiiU will never be profitable for Nintendo. It's a fucking mess. There is no way Iwata can keep his job and there is no way WiiU can live anything but a shortened lifecycle.
It's a bitter lesson, but let's hope Nintendo has learned that they can no longer stay out of the core market anymore.
UberTag
Member
The real problem with Zombie Sega dying for the umpteenth time is that this time they'll take the remnants of Atlus down with them.
Metallix87
Member
Some people still haven't accepted how bad this could be.
Manmademan
Member
I would say anywhere from 100 to 150 is realistic. Beyond that, no.
The wiiu is in a unique position, there has never been a console as badly positioned as this on the low or high end, and retail is flat out finished with it.
If it hits 300k, ill ban myself from gaming side for the rest of the year.
megabytecr
Member
Exactly, what we always thought Nintendo HW for Nintendo games. I had hopes for at least decent 3rd party support but that is completely lost. I actually think we got a lot at launch and this year, enough to keep me busy during droughts. If not enough then I will buy a PC.
If a miracle actually happens, then some 3rd party might come back. If I go by 2013 and 2014 the Wii U was damn worth it, damn just by SM3DW it is justified for me.