That's been my stance on it for a while. Drop all the gimmicks and make a super cheap companion console that's easy to develop for. People will buy a PS4/Xbone and a Nintendo whatever to go along with it.
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NPD Sales Results for October 2014 [Up3: All of Nintendo's 3DS million sellers]
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That's been my stance on it for a while. Drop all the gimmicks and make a super cheap companion console that's easy to develop for. People will buy a PS4/Xbone and a Nintendo whatever to go along with it.
Dual Blade
Member
I would LOVE to see Dragon Age on top but I don't think there's any way GTAV is not in first place.
Neuromancer
Member
$350 for SO bundle and regular X1.
RespectThySole
Member
It was a little surprising to me as well, but you have to remember it's on 5 platforms and bundles don't count. I'd bet that Sunset Overdrive outsold the XB1 sku of The Evil Within by a fair margin.
2.3 million is still really good. It sold 70% of what 3D World did which probably stole some sales.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
These are just US numbers though, right?
Surely Insomniac would make more money on their PS3 games in Europe/ROTW compared to SO on the Xbone, as it's pretty much dead outside the US.
Both those games were made to please reviewers,imo. Vertically isn't something regular people look for unless it is of the low-skill kind in AC; mechs and SO's aesthetic aren't exactly mainstream either.
I imagine releasing another New Super Mario Bros game in the same year (though a different platform), and then releasing an expansion the year later (along with a 3D Super Mario), and also following a 3D Super Mario game the 9 months prior (to New Super Mario Bros 2) had a hand in lowering overall sales for each game as well.
Seriously, their handling of Mario during 2011 - 2013 was an absolute mess.
Nintendo needs to get Wii U component manufacturing cost as low as humanly possible.
Next gen, re-release it with slight CPU bump and a little more ram/HDD space. Develop a mature Nintendo engine, and crank out as many fucking games as possible to position their $199 home console as a fantastic value companion to whatever else people buy.
No gimmicks. Sell the gamepad separately for off-tv play.
Also, no more Wii or whatever branding. Just call it Nintendo.
Next gen, re-release it with slight CPU bump and a little more ram/HDD space. Develop a mature Nintendo engine, and crank out as many fucking games as possible to position their $199 home console as a fantastic value companion to whatever else people buy.
No gimmicks. Sell the gamepad separately for off-tv play.
Also, no more Wii or whatever branding. Just call it Nintendo.
The_lascar
Member
Sales between august and october (3 months):
SM3DL: 250k
MK7: 140k
ACNL: 60k
NSMB2: 50k
LM2: 30k
PkmnXY: 30k
OOT3D: 20k
ALBW: -30k (?)
SM3DL: 250k
MK7: 140k
ACNL: 60k
NSMB2: 50k
LM2: 30k
PkmnXY: 30k
OOT3D: 20k
ALBW: -30k (?)
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aaronwt
Member
I don't know.
Last year Nintendo seemed more aggressive with their bundle offerings - Skylanders Bundle could be seen between 220-250$ (though that was most likely to shift excess 8G inventory stock), targeting family audiences.
Now this year, Microsoft is offering Xbox One at 349.99$ with two games comparatively to last year at 499.99$ - 150$ difference shed in 1 year.
Nintendo seems to be playing it safe this holiday season.
They will have a better November due to Smash, but December could be equivalent to last year. I'm hoping not but that's what I am predicting.
I am also predicting a big adoption rate in amiibo figurines
The $350 bundle is a different SKU. It doesn't include Kinect. I couldn't imagine using my Xbox Ones without Kinect. That is the one thing I use everytime my Xbox Ones are on.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Why can't Nintendo go high end? I think Nintendo games and a good supply of third parties would satisfy a lot of people. They keep staying away from current tech and third parties keep running away. They have not tried to be current since the gamecube.
Now, I know third parties treated the game cube like crap but casuals are gone. $99 won't get people to jump in. A steady stream of Nintendo games won't get people to jump in. They need to bow to third parties and completely revamp their approach. They may have to sacrifice profit for some money hats.
The people have spoken.
Now, I know third parties treated the game cube like crap but casuals are gone. $99 won't get people to jump in. A steady stream of Nintendo games won't get people to jump in. They need to bow to third parties and completely revamp their approach. They may have to sacrifice profit for some money hats.
The people have spoken.
These numbers seem strange overall. Even disregarding the baffling -30k for ALBW, 250k seems too high for 3D Land in that period of time especially in comparison to everything else.
They could be the one company to pull off the $99 box. Make it tiny, package it with a wireless controller and sell it on the premise of having access to Nintendo's back catalog and new games, all delivered digitally.
It's their only hope at recapturing families.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
That still pisses me off. We had a great thing and people had to be jerks about a great new system.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Timdog is my bro.
I like him.
Most of the PS and Xbox hardcore fanboys on twitter are just assholes insulting each other all the time.
Timdog is different.
Well they can try certainly. I'm not convinced they will be able to pick up the audience especially easily, but it is an option if they're willing to fight cut-through, potentially money losing battles and prioritize third parties over their own wants.
TheSlySoul
Member
NSMB2 sold 2 million? Now I am depressed...
If that's the case then I overreacted. Sorry. I'm just irked over the frivolous use of images like that.
Where are the August figures from?
Die Squirrel Die
Member
I suppose there are differences (the Gamecube was going against more similarly priced competition).
I wonder if a Vita -> Playstation TV model would work for them, if implemented more comprehensively (ie. full compatibility). Nintendo's greatest asset is their software and at the moment that is being split between supporting mutlitple devices. I know they've talked about moving to a more unified development enviroment, but IIRC they are still talking about them as separate systems. I think that may not go far enough. Imagine if instead of developing a NSMB2 then a NSMBU, or a Mario 3DL then a Mario 3DW, or separate Smash games, they could just make one game and free up resources to develop their software lineup more. Of course this could mean the end of third party support for Nintendo but that could happen anyway.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
I really need to get Sunset Overdrive. Great job for this game.
I wouldn't be surprised if they recycle the Wii U chipset and add a cheap motion controller to keep costs down. Add value by having it play handheld games.
The customers they usually appeal to are more price-sensitive and nintendo doesn't want to send loads of money on an audience that does not traditionally buy there consoles.
Eh, I don't really see how anyone could feel anything other than apathy about NSMB2's sales. At worst it's just decent and phoned-in, and the series has huge selling power anyways so I would expect it to sell somewhat well no matter what.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Of course it's a different sku.
But the point of entry back in November for an Xbox One was 499.99$ - now it's 350$.
The difference is staggering.
Yes, a set top version of a handheld I feel isn't an unfeasible avenue.
Miyamoto even said they want to have the same games on both systems, and that would fit perfectly with that model.
Effectively all they need to do at that point is support one platform and just sell two SKUs of it.
Sony and Microsoft have access to so much more resources than Nintendo does, they can leverage that talent and research to build a console and infrustrature for it. Nintendo would have to spend an insane amount of money to even come close to matching that, and that isn't even considering how expensive the console will be to produce (remember, Nintendo aims for profitability on their hardware, losing money on a console is something new for them). After that if the console bombs Nintendo is done for, they wouldn't be able to recover from something like the PS3, while Sony and Microsoft can.
Sony's only real problem is OS related. It may seem like a MS is pushing harder to try to catch up but truth is most of these games were already planned before anyone knew how much of a success the PS4 would be. Next year will be when we see who is pushing harder software wise.
It's going to be a good time to own a PS4 or XB1.
Im sure they will be fine.
That's July, but I guess those were the numbers you were referencing.
ratcliffja
Member
Unlike Microsoft and Sony, they don't have the hardware tech giants to support them, nor can they afford to take such huge R&D risks. Additionally, GCN was a huge failure despite being very impressive from a technical perspective, so they decided to try a different approach with the Wii, which was a gigantic success. They tried that route again with the Wii U, which is understandable, but it ended up backfiring big time. Still, I can't see them going the traditional route ever again since that hasn't paid off for them since the SNES, when their only real competition was other relative tech fledglings. If anything, they may go with a hybrid portable/home console.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
It was only a "bomb" relative to the insane expectations of it being a Halo/Gears killer. Remember the infamous "Gears 2 will outsell Resistance 2 " Shane Kim quote thread? I think it started the Bear/Salmon meme on GAF.
I'm not going to speculate on the Euro sales of Sony's PS3 games, but Ratchet was not a big seller for any of last gen. And as I posted above, Sunset isn't doing bad in PAL territories, even in Germany, considering the One is just about dead there.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I highly doubt they feel stupid, considering MS fully funded what seems to be the studio's dream game AND they own the IP they created.
We do know ToD, after debuting at 66k like you said, reached over 1 million worldwide.
It's an important distinction; Ratchet does just fine in the long run, usually. Hopefully the same is true for SO.
Mass Effect
Member
I watched the full video, it's obvious they aren't using lethal ammo. After what happens in that gif, he continues running down the hill into the street where there are dozens of other officers who are trying to take him down physically. He keeps fighting them off and eventually breaks away and runs off. They finally catch him and he's taken away in an ambulance, all while yelling obscenities at both the cops and whoever is filming. He seemed okay from what I saw.
But yeah, I can see how people would get upset with the gif without context. He's obviously being shot with something, but it was either rubber bullets or paintballs, so he wasn't really harmed.
Just in case anyone else was wondering.
Therein lies the problem. It's not a question of tech. Third parties are staying away because Nintendo appeals to a demographic third parties aren't interested in. No amount of power under the hood changes anything.
Nintendo would have to rebuild their brand from scratch to appeal to third parties.
The_lascar
Member
LTD at the end of october - LTD at the end of july = sales from august to october.
JackLongRod
Banned
I'm gonna have to buy evil within during Black Friday
Would lik to see hardware numbers
Would lik to see hardware numbers
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
I 100% understand. I'd probably react the same way.
Ratcliffja, Nirolak, and skinnyrattler with lots of things I like to read in this thread. Very reasonable speculation. I'd be delighted to see a combined handheld and console for the big N the next time around, and I'm hoping the New 3DS serves as a stopgap to just that. (and thank goodness I don't need one for Majora!)
ETA: I'm calling this the Nintendo ELI. See if you can guess what that stands for....
or they could put their home console games on pc/ps/xb and make lots of money. A $99 home box is going to sell very little 3rd party stuff, or at least not enough to offset lost sales of their software not being on other platforms.