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[qream]

More sales doesn't equal more support for their weak online infrastructure/lack of key features that were promised.

So much salt with this one. The wounds just sting a lot.

 

[zeromcd73]

Persona 5. That's it. War is over.

 

[StevieP]

I should have said went PC as a gaf poster and began downplaying the next-gen consoles. The underlying reason for this was the Wii U turning out to be an underpowered flop. I have no idea how long you've gamed on PC, obviously.

Yea, he "went pc" as a GAF poster. That makes total sense.

If you lived in a world where there is only console wars and the market isn't contracting

 

[logikk]

Always thought this was laughable, even more so now. MCC will be similar to The Last of Us: Remastered where it will sell great to existing owners but people aren't going to run out in droves to buy the console for it. At least no more than they already would have with it being November and all.

Both consoles did way better than I expected this month. I figured PS4 would be in the 375-400k range.

You may be underestimating how much people love Halo. There is a whole generation of people who didn't play Halo 1 or Halo 2, and a ton of people who will get an XBone just to play Halo 2 multiplayer alone. It's a little different than TLoU, which was like 1 year old at the time.

Don't know if it will push the XBone ahead of the PS4 for Nov, but it is definitively going to sell some systems.

 

[Aquamarine]

Any thoughts on the announced sales of Smash 3DS & Hyrule? I never get to hear your analysis these days, since I just hear "#s please" instead =).

Usually because I'm very busy / always on the move, and I can't devote a significant period of time to long, detailed, thought-out posts.

When this thread matures I might give something more in-depth.

 

[stryke]

What was the PS2's worldwide sales a year out comparatively?

Are we on pace for another 100+ million console seller or is that not sustainable in the industry anymore?

edit - wrong graph

edit 2 - here we go

Congratulations to everyone at SCEI and SCE Worldwide Studios.


Wii Shipments:

1 month, 13 days - December 31st, 2006 - 3.19 million
4 months, 13 days - March 31st, 2007 - 5.84 million
7 months, 12 days - June 30th, 2007 - 9.27 million
10 months, 12 days - September 30th, 2007 - 13.17 million
1 year, 1 month, 13 days - December 31st, 2007 - 20.13 million


Wii U Shipments:

1 month, 14 days: December 31st, 2012: 3.06 million
4 months, 14 days: March 31st, 2013: 3.45 million
7 months, 13 days: June 30th, 2013: 3.61 million
10 months, 13 days: September 30th, 2013: 3.91 million
1 year, 1 month, 14 days: December 31st, 2013: 5.86 million




Xbox 360 Shipments:

1 month, 1 day - December 31st, 2005 - 1.57 million
4 months, 10 days - March 31st, 2006 - 3.2 million
7 months, 9 days - June 30th, 2006 - 5.0 million
10 months, 9 days - September 30th, 2006 - 5.9 million
1 year, 1 month, 10 days - December 31st, 2006 - 10.4 million




PS1 Shipments:

3 months, 29 days (one territory) - March 31st, 1995 - 0.85 million
9 months, 28 days - September 30th, 1995 - 1.77 million
1 year, 3 months, 29 days - March 31st, 1996 - 4.26 million
1 year, 9 months, 28 days - September 30th, 1996 - 8.06 million
2 years, 3 months, 29 days - March 31st, 1997 - 13.50 million


PS2 Shipments:

28 days (one territory) - March 31st, 2000 - 1.41 million
6 months, 27 days (one territory) - September 30th, 2000 - 3.52 million
1 year, 28 days - March 31st, 2001 - 10.61 million
1 year, 6 months, 27 days - September 30th, 2001 - 19.58 million
1 year, 9 months, 28 days - December 31st, 2001 - 24.99 million


PS3 Shipments:

1 month, 21 days - December 31st, 2006 - 1.7 million
4 months, 21 days - March 31st, 2007 - 3.5 million
7 months, 20 days - June 30th, 2007 - 4.2 million
10 months, 20 days - September 30th, 2007 - 5.5 million
1 year, 1 month, 21 days - December 31st, 2007 - 10.4 million


PS4 Installbase:

2 days - November 16th, 2013 - 1 million
17 days - December 1st, 2013 - 2.1 million
1 month, 14 days - December 28th, 2013 - 4.2 million
2 months, 25 days - February 8th, 2014 - 5.3 million
3 months, 16 days - March 2nd, 2014 - 6.0 million
4 months, 23 days - April 6th, 2014 - 7.0 million
8 months, 27 days - August 10th, 2014 - 10.0 million

 

[Nightengale]

How dare you miss Wild?

No targeted release time period. Same with Shadow of the Beast and Hotshots.

Thus unlisted.

 

[Aces&Eights]

Wouldn't be surprised if that's why Sony is keeping quiet on their US holiday bundle offer for now.

Aside from gta, what would it be? LBP? They need to come out and say Bloodborne got moved up and will be releasing last week of November witha red console and controller for 399.99

Edit: because I live in pretend land and a man can dream.

 

[Ty4on]

What was the PS2's worldwide sales a year out comparatively?

Are we on pace for another 100+ million console seller or is that not sustainable in the industry anymore?

PS2 2007 did better than PS4 2014 IIRC. PS2 sold well for a looong time.

 

[lightning2k3]

still the same number of posts though

What's the post count looking like compared to the other NPD threads? We still have the meta predictions to consider.

 

[Hoje0308]

How dare you miss Wild?

I just assumed that was a 2016 title, if not later. One of my most anticipated though, purely due to the amazing potential on display in that reveal trailer.

 

[JAYSIMPLE]

Can't really say that.

Back in 2007 there were 3 truly competitive consoles.

Now there are just 2.

Year on year sales for hardware are 136% up. That is not indicative of a shrinking market.

3 competitive consoles? It looked like the ps3 was getting slaughtered?

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Yea, he "went pc" as a GAF poster. That makes total sense.

If you lived in a world where there is only console wars and the market isn't contracting

Exactly the person I was thinking about, another perfect example. I had a feeling you'd reply to that. Lol

 

[Biker19]

PS4's 538K September is higher than any September PS2 ever achieved...ever.

Oh, OK; I didn't know about that. Thanks!

 

[Aquamarine]

What's the post count looking like compared to the other NPD threads? We still have the meta predictions to consider.

We've already surpassed last month in terms of posts.

 

[truth411]

We have them.

I've been skimming through the thread, can't find anything other than around 550-600k for PS4.

 

[Naughty_Doge]

ASide from gta, what would it be? LBP? They need to come out and say Bloodborne got moved up and will be releasing last week of November witha red console and controller for 399.99

I think there's also a Far Cry 4 bundle.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

so it's like the PS1 and PS2 gens.

In other words, PlayStation being PlayStation.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Does anyone have the most recent numbers for each system worldwide?

Thanks! Yeah, that definitely puts it in perspective.

Crazy numbers.

The most recent official WW numbers for the systems are

• 10M sold through to consumers for PS4 as of August 10th, 2014
• 5M shipped to retailers for XB1 as of April, 2014

 

[Japanmanx3]

Need more mana and chicken now.

 

[ascii42]

What was the PS2's worldwide sales a year out comparatively?

Are we on pace for another 100+ million console seller or is that not sustainable in the industry anymore?

PS2 was only available in Japan for its first 7 months, so it's hard to do a proper comparison.

 

[outunderthestars]

ASide from gta, what would it be? LBP? They need to come out and say Bloodborne got moved up and will be releasing last week of November witha red console and controller for 399.99

Last of Us, Infamous and a 30 day PS+ code: $399.99

 

[Hoje0308]

PS2 2007 did better than PS4 2014 IIRC. PS2 sold well for a looong time.

Why would you compare the tail end, when the PS2 was dirt cheap?

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

And they have nearly enough to release an exclusive every month. We'll still get a summer drought though. Motherfu*****!

Gotta release them all on the same day in the Fall tho, because "marketing data" or whatever nonsense.

 

[allan-bh]

Usually because I'm very busy / always on the move, and I can't devote a significant period of time to long, detailed, thought-out posts.

When this thread matures I might give something more in-depth.

That would be nice. If you can give Destiny splits later, will be very interesting to discuss too.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

I should have said went PC as a gaf poster and began downplaying the next-gen consoles. The underlying reason for this was the Wii U turning out to be an underpowered flop. I have no idea how long you've gamed on PC, obviously.

I don't know why you're calling me out, because
a) its not relevant
b) I regularly post in topics relating to all gaming platforms (I believe my first thread on GAF was asking about how to transfer PS2 saves to a PS3)
c) you're creating a narrative that doesn't exist, that my opinions are some sort of fanboy flip-flopping rather than MY OPINIONS.

I don't think the WiiU failing is good for the market; I don't think the Vita failing is good for the market. High profile failures in general are not good for the market.

I think there is severe market contraction that people are either choosing to ignore, or are blinded by press releases about "most launch units sold ever!", because press releases don't deal with continoung and ongoing sales, but ongoing sales are significantly more important to market stability than boom-bust hype cycles.

I don't think excluding demographics as 'not worth pursuing' or 'not our type of demographic' is good for the market, because it leads to over-specialised niches which - in any ecosystem - leads to stagnation, decay, and eventually death.

If you'd like to refute my views, specifics of my posts, or hypocrisy of my beliefs in my posts where I claim one thing for one platform, then another for a different one, then please go ahead and do so, but just going "I disagree, you're a fanboy" is just douchey.

 

[logikk]

Can't speak for everyone, but I'm just as hyped for Rime and TC as I am for Bloodborne and Uncharted.

There's just something so appealing about those mid tier titles that feel different and colourful.

Same for me here. On the XBone side, I'm pumped for Ori, Inside and Cuphead, just to see something new.

 

[Vire]

PS2 was only available in Japan for its first 7 months, so it's hard to do a proper comparison.

Good point, I guess it's not really comparable.

 

[joecanada]

Does anyone else think that these numbers could spell doom for Sony? After the unprecedented backlash against Destiny it's all but guaranteed that people are going to be returning their PS4's enmass before their Dual Shock 4's even have time to fall apart. They'll see the enertainment juggenaut MCC sitting on the shelves and won't be able to resist the allure of The One. Desting will leave them with a case of blue balls only The Master can satisfy. It's going to be a Onederful November!

Pretty good 8/10 but how many of these are we gonna get? Are people going to continue to believe these are real?

 

[Nightengale]

ASide from gta, what would it be? LBP? They need to come out and say Bloodborne got moved up and will be releasing last week of November witha red console and controller for 399.99

GTA is kinda the only rational option.

Or maybe they'll bundle two games, one old (like TLOU or Infamous) with a new like LBP.

 

[NoirVisage]

tl;dr

sorry, you did not create a classic gaf post

Oh he did, but I don't think he intended to.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

So Sony is up by a million now? Damn.

 

[I-hate-u]

Bend's been in full production for a good while now.

Looks like we know at least 2 of the devs that will show up in the December event.

 

[Mass Effect]

I've been skimming through the thread, can't find anything other than around 550-600k for PS4.

well here's a hint

http://fivethirtyeight.com/

 

[StevieP]

Exactly the person I was thinking about. I had a feeling you'd reply to that. Lol

Did you not get enough console wars earlier in the thread? He provided you with numbers and an argument. at least shinra backs up his beliefs

 

[Tubie]

Well, you start at page 1...

...and you read...

...and you read some more...

...and then, when you're finished reading, you make a post!

I've read every single post in this thread and I'm not proud of it.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I just assumed that was a 2016 title, if not later. One of my most anticipated though, purely due to the amazing potential on display in that reveal trailer.

When they showed it they went out of their way to explain it was actually in game, so I'd assumed it was only a year off release.

 

[ZSaberLink]

Usually because I'm very busy / always on the move, and I can't devote a significant period of time to long, detailed, thought-out posts.

When this thread matures I might give something more in-depth.

Ah ok. Well sounds good. I honestly wasn't expecting anything too long, but if you'd rather write something more detailed when you have a chance, that works well too.

 

[theprodigy]

We've already surpassed last month in terms of posts.

but in the equivalent time period we're still ~17% behind March 2014!

 

[Exploratory]

I know, right?

I would like to know in what world a fantastic 538K result is anything BUT amazing.

Some people's expectations...

Are you and Kagari serious? I mean Morpheus is right there.

Right there.

I read about 20 pgs and was physically ill.

Can we PLEASE ban the word interesting in relation to sales?

 

[Live Free or Die]

Sony extending that lead, wow.

 

[Nightengale]

Same for me here. On the XBone side, I'm pumped for Ori, Inside and Cuphead, just to see something new.

I need Inside and Below in my veins.

 

[Hoje0308]

Gotta release them all on the same day in the Fall tho, because "marketing data" or whatever nonsense.

To their credit, Sony does spread the releases out somewhat. BB and The Order in February seems odd though. Makes me wonder what they have planned for March. April is MLB, right?

 

[orochi91]

I don't know why you're calling me out, because
a) its not relevant
b) I regularly post in topics relating to all gaming platforms (I believe my first thread on GAF was asking about how to transfer PS2 saves to a PS3)
c) you're creating a narrative that doesn't exist, that my opinions are some sort of fanboy flip-flopping rather than MY OPINIONS.

I don't think the WiiU failing is good for the market; I don't think the Vita failing is good for the market. High profile failures in general are not good for the market.

I think there is severe market contraction that people are either choosing to ignore, or are blinded by press releases about "most launch units sold ever!", because press releases don't deal with continoung and ongoing sales, but ongoing sales are significantly more important to market stability than boom-bust hype cycles.

I don't think excluding demographics as 'not worth pursuing' or 'not our type of demographic' is good for the market, because it leads to over-specialised niches which - in any ecosystem - leads to stagnation, decay, and eventually death.

If you'd like to refute my views, specifics of my posts, or hypocrisy of my beliefs in my posts where I claim one thing for one platform, then another for a different one, then please go ahead and do so, but just going "I disagree, you're a fanboy" is just douchey.

Of course there is a market contraction. That's a given since majority of the Wii crowd left.

PS4 sales this month are fantastic for a market leader, falling only short to the Wii.

 

[RE_Player]

This is the pay off everyone. The years we had to endure of game journalists claiming console gaming was dead.

 

[CLEEK]

Isn't the fact that the XB1 versions of most of the top 10 games are the worst selling console versions big news? I thought Madden was typically an Xbox game, but XB1 is even outsold by PS3, let alone PS4 and 360. Same thing with Disney Infinity 2, Diablo and FIFA.

 

[Aces&Eights]

I think there's also a Far Cry 4 bundle.

I think you're correct naughty. Not really my idea of a must have bundle, though (in my opinion).

Would love to have that mega bomb drop that blows us all away. Something along the lines of free No Man's Sky demo or Bloodborne with every purchase of a new system.

 

[lightning2k3]

We've already surpassed last month in terms of posts.

Was referring to this post:

So Pachter's prediction being uh controversial will likely lead to more overall posters actively engaging in the actual NPD thread when it comes out

Pros: More gaffers [likely not as familiar with sales trends] will participate in the NPD thread

Cons: More gaffers [likely not as familiar with sales trends] will participate in the NPD thread

Any bets on the final length of the September 2014 NPD thread?

1. March 2014 - 7,109 replies -> Titanfall [+ bundles] month fails to propel XB1 ahead
2. November 2013 - 5,349 replies -> PS4 + XB1 launch
3. June 2014 - 4,781 replies -> Kinectless XB1 releases, fails to beat PS4
4. January 2013 - 4,592 replies -> Wii U hard drop?
5. May 2014 - 4,144 replies -> Watch Dogs release + MK8 release

September 2014 - ???? replies -> Destiny releases, PS4 Destiny Bundle releases, XB1 promotions, Fifa 15 releases, Pachter says numbers, internet goes crazy

I'm going to predict September beats out at least January for replies. NPD threads seem to be getting much more popular as of late

 

[BigDug13]

Yea, he "went pc" as a GAF poster. That makes total sense.

If you lived in a world where there is only console wars and the market isn't contracting

Anyone who lends credence to the soccer moms and grandpas that bought Wii's last gen as "growing the market" will obviously see this generation's sales as a supreme contraction. Fact is those customers were a temporary blip in the console market. How is this generation performing compared to the PS2/GCN/OG Xbox numbers during the same timeframe? Because that's a better indicator of core console gamers. Or a comparison to ONLY PS360 sales for last gen. It is my view that the Wii market in general skewed the entire market to unrealistic expectations for the following generation, especially when it became obvious that the additional market quickly ditched their waggle fad.

Nintendo had never seen console sales like the Wii, and it is my view that Nintendo will never again see console sales anywhere close to the Wii.

 

[allan-bh]

What was the PS2's worldwide sales a year out comparatively?

Are we on pace for another 100+ million console seller or is that not sustainable in the industry anymore?

I'm not convinced that PS4 will reach 100 million, but is the only console that have a shot.